JAXAshby wrote:

I will say it again, dood of little comprehension:

claiming one's talents are fine but then blaming a fine boat for being
inadequate in ordinary weather is.

In other words, false accusation and insult is your forte.



no, but claiming one's talents are fine but then blaming a fine boat for
being
inadequate in ordinary weather is.

Rightly or wrongly expressing an opinion of a boat's limitations
signifies moral and emotional cowardice?



to be unfraid of one's skills to handle a fine quality boat in rather
easy
winds.

Making a realistic assessment of one's limitations is a form
of emotional and moral cowardice?



But a lot of the
fibreglass boats sold new today I wouldn't take into a 40 knot wind,

if you are afraid to take a Tayana 37 into a 40 knot wind *you* are a
moral
reprobate for even thinking of going offshore in any boat. you are
not
qualified. emotionally.

get a motorhome.

What are the 'emotional qualifications'?

OT, my apologies: Rhys, did you get my info about Shiloh?

L8R

Skip

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a
clear night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize
that you are quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to
you that in the general scheme of things you are merely an
insignificant speck on the surface of the ocean; and are not nearly
so important or as self-sufficient as you thought you were. Which is
an exceedingly wholesome thought, and one that may effect a
permanent change in your deportment that will be greatly appreciated
by your friends." - James S. Pitkin

"rhys" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:21:05 GMT, Roy Jose Lorr
wrote:



rhys wrote:



I gather Colvin hates the idea of getting pooped in a Jacuzzi-sized
cockpit. Well, who can blame him?

Fitted cushion salesmen, for starters.

Well, every aftermarket boat sales job is a compromise, or so they say
G

R.

JAXAshby wrote:

hey, moose brain (what a weird addy you have. yuk!)

Hmm... I, have a weird attitude?

"fitted cockpit cushions"
are considered any part of the required equipment on an ocean voyaging boat to
make it more seaworthy.

Since when?



stay tied to the dock, dood.

How old are you?




Date: 8/19/2004 6:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:



rhys wrote:



I gather Colvin hates the idea of getting pooped in a Jacuzzi-sized
cockpit. Well, who can blame him?

Fitted cushion salesmen, for starters.

"rhys" wrote in message
...
I gather Colvin hates the idea of getting pooped in a Jacuzzi-sized
cockpit. Well, who can blame him?

Fitted cushion salesmen, for starters.

I remember being pooped in a Hinckley B40 in what I considered to be
marginal seas, such as 1 to 3 feet, with an occasional 4 footer rolling in
due to weather or heavy traffic. Would never have happen on my boat, which
had a somewhat higher freeboard than the Hinckley.

I remember being pooped in a Hinckley B40 in what I considered to be
marginal seas, such as 1 to 3 feet,

huh???

dood, a plywood rowboat ain't no B40

no, moose stored, being afraid of a taking a T-37 out to sea in 3 foot seas is
emotionally abhorant (look the word up).

stay tied to the dock, dood, should you ever actually buy a boat.


Date: 8/19/2004 9:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:



JAXAshby wrote:

I will say it again, dood of little comprehension:

claiming one's talents are fine but then blaming a fine boat for being
inadequate in ordinary weather is.

In other words, false accusation and insult is your forte.



no, but claiming one's talents are fine but then blaming a fine boat for
being
inadequate in ordinary weather is.

Rightly or wrongly expressing an opinion of a boat's limitations
signifies moral and emotional cowardice?



to be unfraid of one's skills to handle a fine quality boat in rather
easy
winds.

Making a realistic assessment of one's limitations is a form
of emotional and moral cowardice?



But a lot of the
fibreglass boats sold new today I wouldn't take into a 40 knot
wind,

if you are afraid to take a Tayana 37 into a 40 knot wind *you*
are a
moral
reprobate for even thinking of going offshore in any boat. you
are
not
qualified. emotionally.

get a motorhome.

What are the 'emotional qualifications'?

hey, moose brain (what a weird addy you have. yuk!)

Hmm... I, have a weird attitude?

yes, moose brain, you do.

"fitted cockpit cushions"
are considered any part of the required equipment on an ocean voyaging boat
to
make it more seaworthy.

Since when?

since 10,000 B.C.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...

emotionally abhorant (look the word up).

Or run the spell-check :{))

L8R

Skip

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a
clear night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize
that you are quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to
you that in the general scheme of things you are merely an
insignificant speck on the surface of the ocean; and are not nearly
so important or as self-sufficient as you thought you were. Which is
an exceedingly wholesome thought, and one that may effect a
permanent change in your deportment that will be greatly appreciated
by your friends." - James S. Pitkin

What? ME mispell a wyred? nevr heppen en this weirld.

emotionally abhorant (look the word up).

Or run the spell-check :{))

L8R

Skip

--
Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

"And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a
clear night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize
that you are quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to
you that in the general scheme of things you are merely an
insignificant speck on the surface of the ocean; and are not nearly
so important or as self-sufficient as you thought you were. Which is
an exceedingly wholesome thought, and one that may effect a
permanent change in your deportment that will be greatly appreciated
by your friends." - James S. Pitkin

JAXAshby wrote:

no, moose stored, being afraid of a taking a T-37 out to sea in 3 foot seas is
emotionally abhorant (look the word up).

Disgusting, loathsome, repellent, and despicable is the way
you see people who don't measure up to your standards?



stay tied to the dock, dood, should you ever actually buy a boat.

I don't believe we've met.




Date: 8/19/2004 9:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:



JAXAshby wrote:

I will say it again, dood of little comprehension:

claiming one's talents are fine but then blaming a fine boat for being
inadequate in ordinary weather is.

In other words, false accusation and insult is your forte.



no, but claiming one's talents are fine but then blaming a fine boat for
being
inadequate in ordinary weather is.

Rightly or wrongly expressing an opinion of a boat's limitations
signifies moral and emotional cowardice?



to be unfraid of one's skills to handle a fine quality boat in rather
easy
winds.

Making a realistic assessment of one's limitations is a form
of emotional and moral cowardice?



But a lot of the
fibreglass boats sold new today I wouldn't take into a 40 knot
wind,

if you are afraid to take a Tayana 37 into a 40 knot wind *you*
are a
moral
reprobate for even thinking of going offshore in any boat. you
are
not
qualified. emotionally.

get a motorhome.

What are the 'emotional qualifications'?

JAXAshby wrote:

hey, moose brain (what a weird addy you have. yuk!)

Hmm... I, have a weird attitude?

yes, moose brain, you do.

How so?

JAXAshby wrote:

"fitted cockpit cushions"
are considered any part of the required equipment on an ocean voyaging boat
to
make it more seaworthy.

Since when?

since 10,000 B.C.

How so?

rhys wrote:
I gather Colvin hates the idea of getting pooped in a Jacuzzi-sized
cockpit. Well, who can blame him?


Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Fitted cushion salesmen, for starters.

Or anyone who grasps the concept of sufficient reserve bouyancy coupled
with an open transom.

It's just amazing, if water gets in it runs right back out again quick
as a wink. And it's handy a lot of other ways, too.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

no, moose stored, being afraid of a taking a T-37 out to sea in 3 foot seas
is
emotionally abhorant (look the word up).

Disgusting, loathsome, repellent, and despicable is the way
you see people who don't measure up to your standards?

no, moose stored, it is not a question of my standards, but rather a question
of yo-yo's (like you, it becomes more and more apparent) who put themselves in
stew ped lee dangerous situations utterly lacking in native capabilities and
skills to handle the situation, and THEN insisting it is someone else's moral
and legal responsibility to save their sorry ass.

no EPIRB for you, dood.

stay tied to the dock, dood, should you ever actually buy a boat.

I don't believe we've met.

yeah, sometimes I get lucky. so far, so good.

well, for one, you think fitted cockpit cushions make a boat more seaworthy.

hey, moose brain (what a weird addy you have. yuk!)

Hmm... I, have a weird attitude?

yes, moose brain, you do.

How so?

geesh, dood, back to study with you. lunch isn't for another 45 minutes.


"fitted cockpit cushions"
are considered any part of the required equipment on an ocean voyaging
boat
to
make it more seaworthy.

Since when?

since 10,000 B.C.

How so?

so, doug, where do the fitted cockpit cushions in that reserve bouyancy
concept?


I gather Colvin hates the idea of getting pooped in a Jacuzzi-sized
cockpit. Well, who can blame him?


Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Fitted cushion salesmen, for starters.

Or anyone who grasps the concept of sufficient reserve bouyancy coupled
with an open transom.

It's just amazing, if water gets in it runs right back out again quick
as a wink. And it's handy a lot of other ways, too.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

JAXAshby wrote:
so, doug, where do the fitted cockpit cushions in that reserve bouyancy
concept?

They should fit between your ears nicely. An improvement over what's
there now.

DSK

It amazing all right .... when the force of the breaking wave across an
open transom throws you into the wheel.... and when you recover the
wave who doesnt want to be in the cockpit in the first place attempts
to rip your pants off and knock you off your feet as is 'empties'.
Nah ..... give me a place to hide.
An open transom is like standing naked on a sheet of plywood. If You
want a sailboard, buy a sailboard.
;-)


In article , DSK
wrote:

rhys wrote:
I gather Colvin hates the idea of getting pooped in a Jacuzzi-sized
cockpit. Well, who can blame him?


Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Fitted cushion salesmen, for starters.

Or anyone who grasps the concept of sufficient reserve bouyancy coupled
with an open transom.

It's just amazing, if water gets in it runs right back out again quick
as a wink. And it's handy a lot of other ways, too.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote:

rhys wrote:
I gather Colvin hates the idea of getting pooped in a Jacuzzi-sized
cockpit. Well, who can blame him?


Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Fitted cushion salesmen, for starters.

Or anyone who grasps the concept of sufficient reserve bouyancy coupled
with an open transom.

It's just amazing, if water gets in it runs right back out again quick
as a wink. And it's handy a lot of other ways, too.

Yep, it gets rid of that easy to get at, easy to repair, nasty old ugly
rudder hangn from the transom. Also does a swell job of reducing
living space in a given length. As for seaworthiness... the more
poops the better. Well, I suppose happy hour on the steps of a
swim cum fishing cum barbecue platform in mid ocean makes it
all worth it. Time to change the hood ornament.

JAXAshby wrote:

no, moose stored, being afraid of a taking a T-37 out to sea in 3 foot seas
is
emotionally abhorant (look the word up).

Disgusting, loathsome, repellent, and despicable is the way
you see people who don't measure up to your standards?

no, moose stored, it is not a question of my standards, but rather a question
of yo-yo's (like you, it becomes more and more apparent) who put themselves in
stew ped lee dangerous situations utterly lacking in native capabilities and
skills to handle the situation, and THEN insisting it is someone else's moral
and legal responsibility to save their sorry ass.

Don't fret... I promise not to look to you for help.

JAXAshby wrote:

well, for one, you think fitted cockpit cushions make a boat more seaworthy.

Huh?



hey, moose brain (what a weird addy you have. yuk!)

Hmm... I, have a weird attitude?

yes, moose brain, you do.

How so?

JAXAshby wrote:

geesh, dood, back to study with you. lunch isn't for another 45 minutes.

Can you say dementia?



"fitted cockpit cushions"
are considered any part of the required equipment on an ocean voyaging
boat
to
make it more seaworthy.

Since when?

since 10,000 B.C.

How so?








--

The last stage of
utopian sentimentalism
is homicidal mania.

Rich Hampel wrote:
It amazing all right .... when the force of the breaking wave across an
open transom throws you into the wheel.... and when you recover the
wave who doesnt want to be in the cockpit in the first place attempts
to rip your pants off and knock you off your feet as is 'empties'.

???

I guess the part about "reserve bouyancy" didn't really mean anything?


Nah ..... give me a place to hide.

If conditions are that bad, then one would most prudently be either
reaching off under very small sail or else lying to a sea anchor.

If you have irrational prejudices against modern boats, then surely you
can come up with some better rationalization?

A heavy displacement boat and/or double ender would be even worse off in
the same scenario, getting hit by breaking crests much harder as it
responds less to the waves.

An open transom is like standing naked on a sheet of plywood.

Oh yeah, that's *exactly* what it's like! Funny, in all the years of
sailing open transom boats, I never thought of that!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

No, sorry, Skip...I saw your message yesterday but was consumed with
work and retrieving engine spares from my boat...I have finally
enlisted some help on that front as I don't seem to have the time to
finish the rebuild personally...paint the block, swap out gears,
etc...

E-mail me offlist please at mdacey AT darkstar dot ca , and I will
learn of this "Shiloh" (isn't that a Civil War battlefield?)

R.

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:45:12 -0400, "Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach @
adelphia . net (usual alterations for spam avoidance) wrote:

OT, my apologies: Rhys, did you get my info about Shiloh?

L8R

Skip

Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Yep, it gets rid of that easy to get at, easy to repair, nasty old ugly
rudder hangn from the transom.

There's no reason why a transom hung rudder couldn't be hung from an
open transom. Lots of racing boats have that exact arrangement... oh
wait, is that a dirty word?


... Also does a swell job of reducing
living space in a given length.

??? Increasing reserve bouyancy aft increases interior space aft.

It's not those old fashioned counter sterns or double enders that have
whole staterooms tucked under the cockpit & quarters in 35 footers.

... As for seaworthiness... the more
poops the better. Well, I suppose happy hour on the steps of a
swim cum fishing cum barbecue platform in mid ocean makes it
all worth it. Time to change the hood ornament.

Hood ornaments are dangerous... they block the drivers vision and they
gouge chunks out of unlucky pedestrians... not sure how that affects
behavior in following seas though.

DSK

In article , DSK
wrote:

Rich Hampel wrote:
It amazing all right .... when the force of the breaking wave across an
open transom throws you into the wheel.... and when you recover the
wave who doesnt want to be in the cockpit in the first place attempts
to rip your pants off and knock you off your feet as is 'empties'.

???

I guess the part about "reserve bouyancy" didn't really mean anything?
Oh really? I guess you missed the part that equates to too much
bouyancy in the stern causes the stem to dive/plunge when a large wave
comes astern.


Nah ..... give me a place to hide.

If conditions are that bad, then one would most prudently be either
reaching off under very small sail or else lying to a sea anchor.
Yup, open sterns equate to optimally light weight (low scantling
numbers) boats that coudnt stand the pounding.


If you have irrational prejudices against modern boats, then surely you
can come up with some better rationalization?
Not at all, I own both traditional, modern and crazy.

A heavy displacement boat and/or double ender would be even worse off in
the same scenario, getting hit by breaking crests much harder as it
responds less to the waves.
Not so, most double enders (Perry, Creighlock, Harris, etc. designs)
have quite a bit of 'bustle' to the stern. In those designs one
considers that the 'protuberance' of the tumblehome canoe stern is just
a cosmetic/styling addition .... when you imaginarily cut the styling
off, you have essentially the same hull form bouyancy-wise. Go look at
the line drawings of them sometime - the 'pinch' is an addition well
aft of where the reserve is located. I guess by the same reasoning a
boat with an extended retractable bowsprit would be deemed to have less
reserve in the bow section. ;-)

An open transom is like standing naked on a sheet of plywood.

Oh yeah, that's *exactly* what it's like! Funny, in all the years of
sailing open transom boats, I never thought of that!
Honestly, when was the last time you were in the OCEAN for more than an
easy coastal passage with an open stern.... didnt happen. Open sterns
are nice for protected bays and lakes..... nope not on the ocean (balls
to the wall racing excluded).

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

I guess the part about "reserve bouyancy" didn't really mean anything?

Rich Hampel wrote:
Oh really? I guess you missed the part that equates to too much
bouyancy in the stern causes the stem to dive/plunge when a large wave
comes astern.

Not necessarily.

If you want to have a serious discussion, let's. But your earlier post
seemed mocking.


If conditions are that bad, then one would most prudently be either
reaching off under very small sail or else lying to a sea anchor.

Yup, open sterns equate to optimally light weight (low scantling
numbers) boats that coudnt stand the pounding.

Depends on the builder and the intent of the design, doesn't it?
Certainly there is nothing inherent about an open transom that requires
flimsy construction.

There are plenty of instances of modern designs sticking out weather
that hammered more traditional boats, including (sadly) breaking up.



A heavy displacement boat and/or double ender would be even worse off in
the same scenario, getting hit by breaking crests much harder as it
responds less to the waves.

Not so, most double enders (Perry, Creighlock, Harris, etc. designs)
have quite a bit of 'bustle' to the stern. In those designs one
considers that the 'protuberance' of the tumblehome canoe stern is just
a cosmetic/styling addition .... when you imaginarily cut the styling
off, you have essentially the same hull form bouyancy-wise.

The original Colin Archer redningskoite designs were dependent on
reserve bouyancy forward and aft... an aside, they were also built as
lightly as possible given the technology of the times...

A bustle or canoe stern isn't going to have the same reserve bouyancy as
a heavily flared stern section.

... Go look at
the line drawings of them sometime

I have, thanks.

... - the 'pinch' is an addition well
aft of where the reserve is located.

It's all about enclosed volume. If the shape reduces volume, then it
reduces bouyancy.

OTOH it's also possible to have the volume in the wrong place, such as
those beautiful old fashioned counter sterns that are utter beasts at sea.



... I guess by the same reasoning a
boat with an extended retractable bowsprit would be deemed to have less
reserve in the bow section. ;-)

Yep, I'd think so... judging by the amount of water that comes in some
of them...



Oh yeah, that's *exactly* what it's like! Funny, in all the years of
sailing open transom boats, I never thought of that!

Honestly, when was the last time you were in the OCEAN for more than an
easy coastal passage with an open stern.... didnt happen. Open sterns
are nice for protected bays and lakes..... nope not on the ocean (balls
to the wall racing excluded).

Funny, all those racing boats have to be delivered to the starts and
from the finishes. Usually they have a tight schedule and are often out
in weather that's at least a little uncomfortable. If they were that
bad, then we'd be hearing news about them sinking and loss of life etc
etc. But not a whisper... is it a cover-up?

Some people's "easy coastal passage" is another person's nightmare. It's
all relative. If you want to believe that open transoms are death traps
(and I've had several "old salt" types tell me exactly that) then be my
guest. But there isn't really much fact to support that position.

DSK

If you want to have a serious discussion, let's. But your earlier post
seemed mocking.
I'm an iconoclast at heart, I cant help myself. Whenever someone
states such and so is the correct true form ... usually means whats
currently in vogue' .... and soon to go out of 'vogue'.



There are plenty of instances of modern designs sticking out weather
that hammered more traditional boats, including (sadly) breaking up.
All depends on if the sailor KNOWS how to sail, doesnt it.


The original Colin Archer redningskoite designs were dependent on
reserve bouyancy forward and aft... an aside, they were also built as
lightly as possible given the technology of the times...
I dont think they were, my perception is that they were quite 'pinched'
on the ends, simply because one cant bend the strakes to include much
bustle in the ends.


OTOH it's also possible to have the volume in the wrong place, such as
those beautiful old fashioned counter sterns that are utter beasts at sea.
They weren NOT designed for 'comfort', they were designed as 'rule
beaters' .... and wound up with too much 'rocker' and extreme short
water line length when upright. The rule at the time penalized long
waterline length .......

Funny, all those racing boats have to be delivered to the starts and
from the finishes. Usually they have a tight schedule and are often out
in weather that's at least a little uncomfortable. If they were that
bad, then we'd be hearing news about them sinking and loss of life etc
etc. But not a whisper... is it a cover-up?
Essentially its is when you know how many designs destructively fail
and never make it to the race course at all.

Some people's "easy coastal passage" is another person's nightmare. It's
all relative. If you want to believe that open transoms are death traps
(and I've had several "old salt" types tell me exactly that) then be my
guest. But there isn't really much fact to support that position.
Except those that that have had their teeth loosened during a blow
riding on a wildly bucking, fat assed sled. Thanks, I prefer to go
below and simply wait it out. hmmmmmpf.

DSK

;-)

DSK wrote:

Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Yep, it gets rid of that easy to get at, easy to repair, nasty old ugly
rudder hangn from the transom.

There's no reason why a transom hung rudder couldn't be hung from an
open transom. Lots of racing boats have that exact arrangement... oh
wait, is that a dirty word?

How did 'racing boats' get into this?

I suppose you could design a mast hung rudder and with enough money,
build it. I'm sure there'd be much controversy pro and con in the water
holiday pulps but what the hey....



... Also does a swell job of reducing
living space in a given length.

??? Increasing reserve bouyancy aft increases interior space aft.

Scoop out the stern from above or below and you lose living space.



It's not those old fashioned counter sterns or double enders that have
whole staterooms tucked under the cockpit & quarters in 35 footers.

Whole staterooms in 35 footers? I guess that depends on your
definition of "stateroom".



... As for seaworthiness... the more
poops the better. Well, I suppose happy hour on the steps of a
swim cum fishing cum barbecue platform in mid ocean makes it
all worth it. Time to change the hood ornament.

Hood ornaments are dangerous... they block the drivers vision and they
gouge chunks out of unlucky pedestrians... not sure how that affects
behavior in following seas though.

Depends which way the trinket is facing.

Don't fret... I promise not to look to you for help.

Don't fret... I promise not to look to you for help.

and if you were moral, you would not ask for anyone else's either. you are a
floatin accident looking for a rock.

that is what you said, moose stored. changed your mind, or just can't remember
what you said from one day to the next?

well, for one, you think fitted cockpit cushions make a boat more
seaworthy.

Huh?

geesh, dood, back to study with you. lunch isn't for another 45 minutes.

Can you say dementia?

moose stored, I believe the word used for someone like you who is terrified of
3 foot seas in a Tayana 37, yet intends to push the button on an EPIRB when the
beer runs low is "chicken****". You may have dementia as well, but we were not
discussing that.

so, doug, what kind of "reserve bouyancy" did you "fitted cockpit cushions"
provide on your Hunter 19?


so, doug, where do the fitted cockpit cushions in that reserve bouyancy
concept?

They should fit between your ears nicely. An improvement over what's
there now.

DSK

moose stored, you are pretty ignorant about sailing. maybe you want to read a
second, or even a third, book before you continue to post.

rhys wrote:
I gather Colvin hates the idea of getting pooped in a Jacuzzi-sized
cockpit. Well, who can blame him?


Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Fitted cushion salesmen, for starters.

Or anyone who grasps the concept of sufficient reserve bouyancy coupled
with an open transom.

It's just amazing, if water gets in it runs right back out again quick
as a wink. And it's handy a lot of other ways, too.

Yep, it gets rid of that easy to get at, easy to repair, nasty old ugly
rudder hangn from the transom. Also does a swell job of reducing
living space in a given length. As for seaworthiness... the more
poops the better. Well, I suppose happy hour on the steps of a
swim cum fishing cum barbecue platform in mid ocean makes it
all worth it. Time to change the hood ornament.

If conditions are that bad, then one would most prudently be either
reaching off under very small sail or else lying to a sea anchor.

doug, you need to get offshore someday.

Oh yeah, that's *exactly* what it's like! Funny, in all the years of
sailing open transom boats, I never thought of that!


do0ugie, a hunter 19 ain't _exactly_ an open transom ocean racing boat. It is
a bay sailor for nice Sunday afternoons.

moose store, for crimminy sakes!! read another book before you post again.


Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
Yep, it gets rid of that easy to get at, easy to repair, nasty old ugly
rudder hangn from the transom.

There's no reason why a transom hung rudder couldn't be hung from an
open transom. Lots of racing boats have that exact arrangement... oh
wait, is that a dirty word?

How did 'racing boats' get into this?

I suppose you could design a mast hung rudder and with enough money,
build it. I'm sure there'd be much controversy pro and con in the water
holiday pulps but what the hey....



... Also does a swell job of reducing
living space in a given length.

??? Increasing reserve bouyancy aft increases interior space aft.

Scoop out the stern from above or below and you lose living space.



It's not those old fashioned counter sterns or double enders that have
whole staterooms tucked under the cockpit & quarters in 35 footers.

Whole staterooms in 35 footers? I guess that depends on your
definition of "stateroom".



... As for seaworthiness... the more
poops the better. Well, I suppose happy hour on the steps of a
swim cum fishing cum barbecue platform in mid ocean makes it
all worth it. Time to change the hood ornament.

Hood ornaments are dangerous... they block the drivers vision and they
gouge chunks out of unlucky pedestrians... not sure how that affects
behavior in following seas though.

Depends which way the trinket is facing.