only for those who can spel kerrickly. :-)

it is the output of "ICW" "Albany".

jeffies, the ICW, or actually known as "Atantic Intercoastal Waterway", runs

to
Troy NY.

Actually, it's "Intracoastal."

your characterization of the usual, crowd there as "drunken
frat boys" is way off the mark.

you have been there, what once?

Or, do *you* consider a 12 pack of beer a day as "normal", and anyone over 25
to be an "old fart"?

You're the piece of work, jaxie; you don't even know what ICW stands for! You
still haven't provided a reference to back up your claim that Troy is on the
ICW.

Actually, finding an "official reference" for the ICW north of New Jersey is
hard, since the government is trying to disown responsibility for as much of it
as possible. However, there are numerous other references to ICW starting in
Boston and going south through the Cape Cod Canal. For instance, the Britannica
entry for Massachusetts Bay:


"The Atlantic Intracoastal Waterway enters the bay through the Cape Cod Canal
and reaches its northernmost point at Boston."
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article...ery=cape%20ann

The Army Corps of Engineers, on their educational site, backs this up:
"The Atlantic Intracoastal Waterway consists of two inland water routes
approximately paralleling the Atlantic coast between Boston, Massachusetts and
Key West, Florida."
http://education.usace.army.mil/navi...hisls2lv2.html

I guess we'll have to add this to the other geographical "jaxisms," like
"Manhattan is an island in the Atlantic"

or about the New York Canal System:
"180 miles up the Hudson River to Troy NY" [actual about 150 statute mile]

"then 524 miles through the Erie Canal to Buffalo" [actual 343]




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
it is the output of "ICW" "Albany".

jeffies, the ICW, or actually known as "Atantic Intercoastal Waterway", runs
to
Troy NY.

If one wishes to depart the AICW at **Upper** NY Harbor to enter Long Island
Sound and then on northward, one is free to do so.

Just as one is free to depart the AICW at Charleston SC to go to Bermuda.

btw, LOTS of barges anchored in the Sand Hole waiting for the latest DVDs,
right?

jeffies, you are a piece of work.

And how does this support your claim? Nowhere does it say the Hudson River
is
part of the ICW.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
here ya go, jeffies, in casin your wife is not around tonite to explain it
to
you.

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-o/g-opt/Clearance.htm

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says...


your characterization of the usual, crowd there as "drunken
frat boys" is way off the mark.

you have been there, what once?

For nearly twenty years, at least once a month and often far more frequently on
two different sailboats.

Or, do *you* consider a 12 pack of beer a day as "normal"

Only a 12-pack? Do you pay that much attention to what people on other boats
are doing?

, and anyone over 25
to be an "old fart"?

Well, no. I'm 73 and certainly do not consider myself an old fart. I like
parties and people who party even if we are content to merely sit on our boat
cleaning out the spirit locker. In the old days it was even better, until the
place became part of a NY State park, big signs saying "NO!" went up all over
the place and bird huggers started patrolling the place to keep people and dogs
off the beach. In those days people would set up tent cities on the beach, have
huge bonfires and occasional fireworks and it was indeed wall-to-wall boats
with dragging, fouled anchors and all that. Used to be able to get a bushel of
oysters off the beach in fifteen minutes. But the bonfires, tent cities and the
oysters are gone leaving us nought but tepid silence and clams for raucous
partying. Even the helicopter that used to operate from the big house next to
the water has gone away.

But you do strike me as querulous old fart.

And in those nearly twenty years, I have seen and spoken many and many a
transient yacht headed north or south. Have given some of them charts and other
assistance.

Anyway, I didn't mean to start a flame war. The original point was to let
people know the place has shoaled at its two entrances.

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:02:35 -0400, Gogarty
wrote:

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says...


And the Sand Hole is a stop for boats transiting the Sound.


no, it isn't. It is a weekend stopping off point for drunken frat boys in
powerboats. a stop for those "transiting the Sound" is City Island, Port
Washington, Oyster Bay, Oyster Bay West Harbor (both near Sand Hole),
Northport, Port Jeff and **maybe** Matituck Inlet, plus all those rocky,
exposed anchorages on the CT shore.

Any transits figuring to use Sand Hole at a stop point has rocks for brains.

You seem to be in a really bad mood today. Transients do indeed stop at the
Sand Hole. Also, your characterization of the usual, crowd there as "drunken
frat boys" is way off the mark.

That list omits Eatons Neck, [barely] accessible at all tides to our
7-ft draft. It also has power boats in the day time, although none I
would describe as "drunken frat boys."

The only disturbance at night is the CG station, and they don't make a
lot of noise.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


"Curse thee, thou quadrant. No longer will I guide my earthly way by thee." Capt. Ahab

In article ,
says...



That list omits Eatons Neck, [barely] accessible at all tides to our
7-ft draft. It also has power boats in the day time, although none I
would describe as "drunken frat boys."

Only went in to that Eaton's Neck hole once. Didn't like it. Struck me as
spooky.

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:24:34 -0400, Gogarty
wrote:

In article ,
says...



That list omits Eatons Neck, [barely] accessible at all tides to our
7-ft draft. It also has power boats in the day time, although none I
would describe as "drunken frat boys."

Only went in to that Eaton's Neck hole once. Didn't like it. Struck me as
spooky.


Yes. What makes it spooky is that you don't hear any motor vehicles or
trains--very unusual on Long Island. That is because the surrounding
land is a nature preserve. There actually is a road to the CG station
on the other side of the hill, but you normally don't hear it.

I like it that way. One of my favorite anchorages in Maine, for
exactly that reason, is the Cow's Yard, at Head Harbor Island in
Maine.

Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


"Curse thee, thou quadrant. No longer will I guide my earthly way by thee." Capt. Ahab

In article ,
says...


Only went in to that Eaton's Neck hole once. Didn't like it. Struck me as
spooky.


Yes. What makes it spooky is that you don't hear any motor vehicles or
trains--very unusual on Long Island. That is because the surrounding
land is a nature preserve. There actually is a road to the CG station
on the other side of the hill, but you normally don't hear it.

The same is true of the Sand Hole. It is part of Caumsett State Park. There is
no road or railroad track within miles. You can only walk in over an ancient
planked path or along the Sound side beach or ge there by boat. When the power
boats go home it is utterly silent but not the least bit spooky.

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:04:04 -0400, Gogarty
wrote:

In article ,
says...


Only went in to that Eaton's Neck hole once. Didn't like it. Struck me as
spooky.


Yes. What makes it spooky is that you don't hear any motor vehicles or
trains--very unusual on Long Island. That is because the surrounding
land is a nature preserve. There actually is a road to the CG station
on the other side of the hill, but you normally don't hear it.

The same is true of the Sand Hole. It is part of Caumsett State Park. There is
no road or railroad track within miles. You can only walk in over an ancient
planked path or along the Sound side beach or ge there by boat. When the power
boats go home it is utterly silent but not the least bit spooky.

So something else makes Eatons spooky for you? I find it a delightful
spot, especially after the motor boats have gone home.

In any case this thread has made clear that I have no hope of getting
into the Sand Hole with 7-ft draft.




Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a


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