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Shake and Break, part 8 - April 30
On 5/5/2015 4:24 PM, Flying Pig wrote:
Hi, Paul, No, and we have a biologist with CDC in the family who tells us we needn't treat it - but it won't hurt if you do - but we put 3 capfuls (about a tablespoon) of Clorox down a 195G tank, and 2 the 120G. However, we do scrub the decks and let a great amount of water flow by before putting up our little dam. Today, we had a real frog-strangler. The water was running so hard that the 1.5" pipe couldn't take it fast enough, and the floaty on the deck key was floating above the torrent. Filled the big tank and the gravity 50G (meaning it filled via the head created in the fill pipe to the main tank under it) in no time. Watching to know when to shut it off had the 50G tank filling from a 3/8" pipe in about 15 minutes. Thank you Lord! We have a 44,000 boat. One rule of thumb would have us have not less than 88#. The factory anchor was a 45# CQR, vastly ill-chosen for real cruising; a dayhop in the Virgins (where she started life), maybe. As to what we DO have, we like to sleep at night. We may, but have yet to, drag. But I'm certain in any situation I can imagine, it will outperform our prior primary anchor, a 55# delta. We HAVE dragged with that on a few occasions... L8R Skip I never felt ok about doing this given the bird s**t I had to rinse off of the decks and the often serious diseases carried in that stuff. I kept a tarp to deploy in cases of rain instead of bare decks. Even so I did the Clorox trick as well. My last boat was a 42' 35k lb displacement so a bit smaller than yours but I suspect a good deal less windage. I had no issues with a 35# Danforth with an all chain rode except in oysters where nothing holds anyway. I suppose heavier has no issues except you need to winch. I had a winch but didn't use it all too often. I also had a plough about 70# for storms but rarely deployed it. Some like a fisherman for rocks but I figured the plough would suffice if I ever had that bottom which I never did. What shapes are you anchors? Do you also have a lunch hook? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com |
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Shake and Break, part 8 - April 30
On Thu, 07 May 2015 11:01:03 -0600, slide wrote:
On 5/5/2015 4:24 PM, Flying Pig wrote: Hi, Paul, No, and we have a biologist with CDC in the family who tells us we needn't treat it - but it won't hurt if you do - but we put 3 capfuls (about a tablespoon) of Clorox down a 195G tank, and 2 the 120G. However, we do scrub the decks and let a great amount of water flow by before putting up our little dam. Today, we had a real frog-strangler. The water was running so hard that the 1.5" pipe couldn't take it fast enough, and the floaty on the deck key was floating above the torrent. Filled the big tank and the gravity 50G (meaning it filled via the head created in the fill pipe to the main tank under it) in no time. Watching to know when to shut it off had the 50G tank filling from a 3/8" pipe in about 15 minutes. Thank you Lord! We have a 44,000 boat. One rule of thumb would have us have not less than 88#. The factory anchor was a 45# CQR, vastly ill-chosen for real cruising; a dayhop in the Virgins (where she started life), maybe. As to what we DO have, we like to sleep at night. We may, but have yet to, drag. But I'm certain in any situation I can imagine, it will outperform our prior primary anchor, a 55# delta. We HAVE dragged with that on a few occasions... L8R Skip I never felt ok about doing this given the bird s**t I had to rinse off of the decks and the often serious diseases carried in that stuff. I kept a tarp to deploy in cases of rain instead of bare decks. Even so I did the Clorox trick as well. A clean tarp is a much better idea. I would hesitate to drink water gathered off the decks even when Cloroxed but it sure could be used safely for bathing, laundry, etc. I suspect most of the water Skippy collects is used for bathing, cleaning and laundry. I have found that one conceited woman with long hair can use 25-50 gallons of water a day. My last boat was a 42' 35k lb displacement so a bit smaller than yours but I suspect a good deal less windage. No kidding!!! I've seen photos of Skippy's "Flying Pig" and the poor boat has more crap hanging all over it, high and low, making windage that's unacceptable to any real sailor. I had no issues with a 35# Danforth with an all chain rode except in oysters where nothing holds anyway. I suppose heavier has no issues except you need to winch. All chain rode is unnecessary, destructive of the environment, prohibitively expensive and it causes undue stress on the deck hardware, deck and boat in general. It is also too heavy and doesn't take long to rust. Responsible and wise sailors use a combination of chain and nylon rode. I had a winch but didn't use it all too often. If you need a winch, then either your boat is too large or your body too weak. -- Sir Gregory |
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Shake and Break, part 8 - April 30
On 5/7/2015 12:31 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
I never felt ok about doing this given the bird s**t I had to rinse off of the decks and the often serious diseases carried in that stuff. I kept a tarp to deploy in cases of rain instead of bare decks. Even so I did the Clorox trick as well. A clean tarp is a much better idea. I would hesitate to drink water gathered off the decks even when Cloroxed but it sure could be used safely for bathing, laundry, etc. I suspect most of the water Skippy collects is used for bathing, cleaning and laundry. I have found that one conceited woman with long hair can use 25-50 gallons of water a day. If you read Skip's recent narrative in whole, you'd see he's rather penurious with his fresh water. He bathes in salt, for example, most of the time. In my case, all my boats have had integrated water systems in the sense that fresh water is fungible with no way to pull water from tank A for washing but tank B for drinking. Even if I closed one tank reserving it for drinking, the lines would contain the lesser quality water. This is why I didn't drink from the deck water although others did. Most bird transmitted disease are from pigeons and the like but seagulls were the source of a disease breakout in NYCity a bit back. All chain rode is unnecessary, destructive of the environment, prohibitively expensive and it causes undue stress on the deck hardware, deck and boat in general. It is also too heavy and doesn't take long to rust. Responsible and wise sailors use a combination of chain and nylon rode. I had that on my previous boat finding no issue with nylon bent to chain but this boat came with all chain. I saw no reason to not deploy it. I'm skeptical that it is more damaging to the sea bottom than rope / chain rode. Only a short length is on the bottom and that is the same whether the rode is partly rope or not. I found a few situations where I had to ride a short scope and there the all chain was invaluable. I had a winch but didn't use it all too often. If you need a winch, then either your boat is too large or your body too weak. I'm boatless now but hope to be afloat again in a few years. I will never again buy a large, heavy complex boat like I had before but I don't have an issue with those who wish them. I can remember fewer more pleasurable experiences than, after single handing offshore for a number of days, anchoring in a quiet cove and then going below for a HOT fresh water shower. It was a luxury beyond belief. However, the constant maintenance and cost wore me out. On the balance, I will KISS for sure next time out. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com |
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Shake and Break, part 8 - April 30
On Thu, 07 May 2015 15:44:16 -0600, slide wrote:
On 5/7/2015 12:31 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote: I never felt ok about doing this given the bird s**t I had to rinse off of the decks and the often serious diseases carried in that stuff. I kept a tarp to deploy in cases of rain instead of bare decks. Even so I did the Clorox trick as well. A clean tarp is a much better idea. I would hesitate to drink water gathered off the decks even when Cloroxed but it sure could be used safely for bathing, laundry, etc. I suspect most of the water Skippy collects is used for bathing, cleaning and laundry. I have found that one conceited woman with long hair can use 25-50 gallons of water a day. If you read Skip's recent narrative in whole, you'd see he's rather penurious with his fresh water. He bathes in salt, for example, most of the time. Did I misread or did he not say his *forward* water tank holds 125 gallons. Why, that's totally absurd. If he has an aft water tank of similar size that would mean 250 gallons of water. OMG! Can you say gluttonous waste? I have two water tanks. One is 18 gallons and the second is 12 gallons. They are usually autonomous but can be connected by opening a valve. I also carry two, six-gallon plastic water jugs and five or six one-gallon jugs of the spring water type in various stages of fill. I prefer to haul water from shore to the boat in one gallon jugs as they are ever so much easier to deal with than the heavy six-gallon type. In my case, all my boats have had integrated water systems in the sense that fresh water is fungible with no way to pull water from tank A for washing but tank B for drinking. Even if I closed one tank reserving it for drinking, the lines would contain the lesser quality water. This is why I didn't drink from the deck water although others did. Most bird transmitted disease are from pigeons and the like but seagulls were the source of a disease breakout in NYCity a bit back. One could always boil it in a pinch but that would consume too much stove fuel. All chain rode is unnecessary, destructive of the environment, prohibitively expensive and it causes undue stress on the deck hardware, deck and boat in general. It is also too heavy and doesn't take long to rust. Responsible and wise sailors use a combination of chain and nylon rode. I had that on my previous boat finding no issue with nylon bent to chain but this boat came with all chain. I saw no reason to not deploy it. I'm skeptical that it is more damaging to the sea bottom than rope / chain rode. Only a short length is on the bottom and that is the same whether the rode is partly rope or not. Depends upon the strength of wind and current. In many cases if you have out 100 feet of chain, 80 or so feet can be scraping back and forth along the bottom, wreaking unnecessary havoc on the ecosystem there. I found a few situations where I had to ride a short scope and there the all chain was invaluable. The ONLY time I would not decry all-chain is in areas with coral heads or sharp rock ledges that might chafe through combination rodes. I find it ludicrous that so-called sailors use nylon *snubbers*. I see them struggling with them, leaning over the bow trying to hook them, etc. So freaking stupid when a combination chain/nylon rode eliminates the need for such stupidity. I had a winch but didn't use it all too often. If you need a winch, then either your boat is too large or your body too weak. I'm boatless now but hope to be afloat again in a few years. I will never again buy a large, heavy complex boat like I had before but I don't have an issue with those who wish them. I can remember fewer more pleasurable experiences than, after single handing offshore for a number of days, anchoring in a quiet cove and then going below for a HOT fresh water shower. It was a luxury beyond belief. However, the constant maintenance and cost wore me out. On the balance, I will KISS for sure next time out. Yup, let the pretenders like Skippy have the big, cluttered, system-laden, wallowing well below the load waterline, garbage scows on which they spend 90% of the time they could be cruising working on them instead. Examine his diary entries. Perhaps 5% is about sailing while the other 95% is all about problems he has with one unnecessary system after another. So myopic yet so typical, these days where trying to impress takes precedence over ease of sailing. -- Sir Gregory |
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Shake and Break, part 8 - April 30
On Thu, 07 May 2015 18:39:10 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote: On Thu, 07 May 2015 15:44:16 -0600, slide wrote: On 5/7/2015 12:31 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote: I never felt ok about doing this given the bird s**t I had to rinse off of the decks and the often serious diseases carried in that stuff. I kept a tarp to deploy in cases of rain instead of bare decks. Even so I did the Clorox trick as well. A clean tarp is a much better idea. I would hesitate to drink water gathered off the decks even when Cloroxed but it sure could be used safely for bathing, laundry, etc. I suspect most of the water Skippy collects is used for bathing, cleaning and laundry. I have found that one conceited woman with long hair can use 25-50 gallons of water a day. If you read Skip's recent narrative in whole, you'd see he's rather penurious with his fresh water. He bathes in salt, for example, most of the time. Did I misread or did he not say his *forward* water tank holds 125 gallons. Why, that's totally absurd. If he has an aft water tank of similar size that would mean 250 gallons of water. OMG! Can you say gluttonous waste? I have two water tanks. One is 18 gallons and the second is 12 gallons. They are usually autonomous but can be connected by opening a valve. I also carry two, six-gallon plastic water jugs and five or six one-gallon jugs of the spring water type in various stages of fill. I prefer to haul water from shore to the boat in one gallon jugs as they are ever so much easier to deal with than the heavy six-gallon type. Thus speaks the great (or at least very noisy) authority on "cruising" who depends on carrying water from shore to his boat. Ever actually "cruise", say a Trans-Atlantic voyage? Or maybe an off-shore trip from, say Bermuda to New York City? Obviously not if you depend on water hauled from shore. So, you really aren't a cruising sailor are you, "Floating Trailer Trash" would seem a far more accurate description. Perhaps we need a Usenet group entitled rec.marinetrailer.noncruising In my case, all my boats have had integrated water systems in the sense that fresh water is fungible with no way to pull water from tank A for washing but tank B for drinking. Even if I closed one tank reserving it for drinking, the lines would contain the lesser quality water. This is why I didn't drink from the deck water although others did. Most bird transmitted disease are from pigeons and the like but seagulls were the source of a disease breakout in NYCity a bit back. One could always boil it in a pinch but that would consume too much stove fuel. All chain rode is unnecessary, destructive of the environment, prohibitively expensive and it causes undue stress on the deck hardware, deck and boat in general. It is also too heavy and doesn't take long to rust. Responsible and wise sailors use a combination of chain and nylon rode. I had that on my previous boat finding no issue with nylon bent to chain but this boat came with all chain. I saw no reason to not deploy it. I'm skeptical that it is more damaging to the sea bottom than rope / chain rode. Only a short length is on the bottom and that is the same whether the rode is partly rope or not. Depends upon the strength of wind and current. In many cases if you have out 100 feet of chain, 80 or so feet can be scraping back and forth along the bottom, wreaking unnecessary havoc on the ecosystem there. The eco-system of a mud bank? Or do you really think that people seek out coral clumps to anchor in? My experience has been that "knowledgeable", as apposed to those who gain their knowledge from reading magazines, cruisers avoid coral reefs as anchorages to the greatest extent possible. I found a few situations where I had to ride a short scope and there the all chain was invaluable. The ONLY time I would not decry all-chain is in areas with coral heads or sharp rock ledges that might chafe through combination rodes. I find it ludicrous that so-called sailors use nylon *snubbers*. I see them struggling with them, leaning over the bow trying to hook them, etc. Quite obviously you really don't know much about how an "anchor system" works. The great advantage to an all chain rode is that the weight of the chain forces a much larger catenary in the rode and thus reduces the angle at which tension is applied to the anchor, which, of course, reduces the force tending to pull the anchor up, out of the sea bed. Which, by the way, is the reason for the recommendations on how much scope to use depending on currents and wind, and whether chain or rope rode. So freaking stupid when a combination chain/nylon rode eliminates the need for such stupidity. Of course it seems stupid..... to someone that so obviously doesn't know what he is talking about. I had a winch but didn't use it all too often. If you need a winch, then either your boat is too large or your body too weak. I'm boatless now but hope to be afloat again in a few years. I will never again buy a large, heavy complex boat like I had before but I don't have an issue with those who wish them. I can remember fewer more pleasurable experiences than, after single handing offshore for a number of days, anchoring in a quiet cove and then going below for a HOT fresh water shower. It was a luxury beyond belief. However, the constant maintenance and cost wore me out. On the balance, I will KISS for sure next time out. Yup, let the pretenders like Skippy have the big, cluttered, system-laden, wallowing well below the load waterline, garbage scows on which they spend 90% of the time they could be cruising working on them instead. Examine his diary entries. Perhaps 5% is about sailing while the other 95% is all about problems he has with one unnecessary system after another. Strange, you know. I've been aboard a number of vessels ranging from super tankers to ocean going fishing boats and they all, I say "all", have anchor winches. Are you sure you know what you are talking about? It certainly doesn't sound as though you do. So myopic yet so typical, these days where trying to impress takes precedence over ease of sailing. Exactly. Except the "ease of sailing" needs changing to "experience". -- Cheers, Bruce |
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Shake and Break, part 8 - April 30
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Shake and Break, part 8 - April 30
On Fri, 08 May 2015 07:59:32 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Fri, 08 May 2015 07:30:12 +0700, wrote: Strange, you know. I've been aboard a number of vessels ranging from super tankers to ocean going fishing boats and they all, I say "all", have anchor winches. === Yes, the navy and merchant marine have been using chain rodes and anchor winches/windlasses for hundreds of years, and with a great deal of success. Small, weight sensitive boats, not so much. It's amusing that folks with boats under 30 feet who rarely cruise anywhere feel qualified to offer a "one size fits all" solution. The first, publicized, use of a steel anchor rode seems to have been in 1808 but even more revealing is that in 1834: Lloyd's Register rules stating the length of cable to be supplied, called for a reduced length for iron cables compared to hemp cables at a 6:7 ratio. The IASCS (International Association of Classification Societies) has, for many years, required steel anchor "cables". I think that "rarely" should be replaced by "never" :-) -- Cheers, Bruce |
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Shake and Break, part 8 - April 30
I had a winch but didn't use it all too often. I also had a plough about 70# for storms but rarely deployed it. Some like a fisherman for rocks but I figured the plough would suffice if I ever had that bottom which I never did. What shapes are you anchors? Do you also have a lunch hook? Our primary is a Rocna, our secondary is a Delta (73 and 55# respectively). Because we have a windlass, there is no 'lunch hook' as it's very convenient to launch and retrieve. We also have a Fortress 37 KD and in a bag, along with the 50'/150 5/16G40 chain/1"MegaBraid bag. We've never deployed it. Two larger-than-dinghy (maybe 25#) Danforth-style have been used in the past when we've wanted to not swing with the current, as dual stern anchors. We had to tighten the lines from time to time, but they were OK to the purpose. L8R Skip, off Fowl Cay National Park --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog When a man comes to like a sea life, he is not fit to live on land. - Dr. Samuel Johnson |
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Shake and Break, part 8 - April 30
Neal, if you want to pull my chain (pardon the expression) you MUST read for
not only content, context and tone, but for specifics, particularly when you use them in support of an argument. :{)) That said, I'm sorry we didn't get together - there was no southing (as you'd see if you read the beginning) in our dash to the exit... "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote in message ... On Thu, 07 May 2015 15:44:16 -0600, slide wrote: On 5/7/2015 12:31 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote: I never felt ok about doing this given the bird s**t I had to rinse off of the decks and the often serious diseases carried in that stuff. I kept a tarp to deploy in cases of rain instead of bare decks. Even so I did the Clorox trick as well. We are blessed/cursed (some of them are very nice to be around) with a general lack of birds in the area where we currently find ourselves. In any event, a scrub in the start of a squall, and a good rinse time, quickly renders our surface drinkable. As to how much water it takes for us to be comfortable that way, it has to be sluicing hard enough to hit the back side of the scupper just downstream from our fills. A clean tarp is a much better idea. I would hesitate to drink water gathered off the decks even when Cloroxed but it sure could be used safely for bathing, laundry, etc. I suspect most of the water Skippy collects is used for bathing, cleaning and laundry. I have found that one conceited woman with long hair can use 25-50 gallons of water a day. If you read Skip's recent narrative in whole, you'd see he's rather penurious with his fresh water. He bathes in salt, for example, most of the time. Did I misread or did he not say his *forward* water tank holds 125 gallons. Why, that's totally absurd. If he has an aft water tank of similar size that would mean 250 gallons of water. OMG! Can you say gluttonous waste? Yes, you misread. Forward tank is nominally (based on dimension; reality makes it a bit less) 195G, aft 120 (ditto)G, and the supplemental tank in the settee 50G. Nominally, as much as 365 gallons of water. However, there's only 80G of diesel; we're a sailboat, after all. It rained hard enough yesterday that we again not only filled our tanks to overflowing, we also filled the supplemental tank by merely the standing water in the fill tube's force, coming up from the forward tank through its 3/8" tube - 50 gallons in, again, mere minutes. Under those circumstances (and, of course, the weather pattern could change), the summertime pattern of occasional squalls out of nowhere (this one was 37 knots in a gust, 30 sustained) allowing, we're being a bit more casual about our water. However, passages such as our Fernandina to Portland always find us with ample water left. If we're not being VERY conservative, we typically will get as much as two months out of a complete fill. I'd like to see you do that in your world cruiser; stepping out for a jug of water's a bit challenging hundreds of miles offshore :{)) Or, if you arrived in two months with water to spare, likely I'd want to stay upwind! clip All chain rode is unnecessary, destructive of the environment, prohibitively expensive and it causes undue stress on the deck hardware, deck and boat in general. It is also too heavy and doesn't take long to rust. Responsible and wise sailors use a combination of chain and nylon rode. We have both aboard; our secondary is 150' chain and 150' MegaBraid bent on. Both chains will rust at about the same rate if they're in the water at the same time; ergo, you should have only rope rode, as you're either pregnant or you're not, so to speak. As to the weight, it helps offset all that windage and junk we have hanging off our stern :{)) And, by the way, as that increases mass at the end of a pendulum, it swings more slowly. Ergo, this 2-3' chop we have is mere wiggles. What would your yacht look like anchored here, in 9' of water? With all the weight concentrated in the center, I'd imagine it would be VERY responsive to every wave :{)) (which is about a 2 second interval, FWIW) I note that you have some interesting stuff hanging off the back of your boat, too, but the scale to accommodate the dinghy is striking on Cut The Mustard compared to what is astern aboard Flying Pig. I had that on my previous boat finding no issue with nylon bent to chain but this boat came with all chain. I saw no reason to not deploy it. I'm skeptical that it is more damaging to the sea bottom than rope / chain rode. Only a short length is on the bottom and that is the same whether the rode is partly rope or not. Depends upon the strength of wind and current. In many cases if you have out 100 feet of chain, 80 or so feet can be scraping back and forth along the bottom, wreaking unnecessary havoc on the ecosystem there. It sounds as though you advocate moorings only. I =have= known folks to carry three danforths which they strung together to make a mooring, so, perhaps you could do it. But then, there would be all that extra weight. (You WERE going to use chain on those to make the mooring right? Oh. It won't move around at all, leaving that ecosystem pristinely as it was when you arrived.) clip Yup, let the pretenders like Skippy have the big, cluttered, system-laden, wallowing well below the load waterline, garbage scows on which they spend 90% of the time they could be cruising working on them instead. Examine his diary entries. Perhaps 5% is about sailing while the other 95% is all about problems he has with one unnecessary system after another. So myopic yet so typical, these days where trying to impress takes precedence over ease of sailing. -- Sir Gregory ----------- \ Ah, the nobility has spoken. We're sitting in the middle of the Bahamas at anchor, communicating over WiFi to a point a dozen miles away (which, by the way, if your memory is long enough, you may recall my posting under way south of Staniel, using the Sampson Cay Marina hotspot, is our usual). Lydia's using her cellphone over our network (most smartphones can connect to the internet and avoid minutes/data charges) to face-time her kids, and her computer to send pictures she took on her 'real' camera to her family. I check in to the MMSN (maritime mobile service net) occasionally; yesterday the anchor playfully yelled that his ears hurt, as I'd nearly blasted the roof off that Dallas-based ham shack. That, by the way, was one of those unnecessary system problems we had and conquered. So much for systems. Can you do that aboard your fine yacht? By the way, congratulations on solving that OpenCPN challenge and continuing to manufacture 134a; you perhaps could earn a bit on the side providing those whose systems only USE it. Oh. Systems. Never mind. We sailed up from Marsh Harbour yesterday, and after anchoring on our all-chain-and-Rocna, we had a 37knot squall during which we moved not an inch; our catenary took all the major stuff, and our snubber did the stretch and respond routine. FWIW, it's NO difficulty to attach our snubber; I clip the receiver over the link right at the windlass and let it down. Today we'll scrub the dinghy, and swim off the beach here at the national park, as it's a bit too rough for snorkeling/free diving; I get a break from being the Cruisers' Net anchor on my birthday tomorrow, but we did just fine broadcasting from here today, as we have in the past. The radio I used was replaced during one of those unnecessary problem solving situations. Of course, I just reached under the bed (OOPS! Berth!) and pulled out the identical radio, which went right into the same hole and used the same, already installed plugs. OUR boat has plenty of room for spares - so, we carry them :{)) What? You don't? Don't go all Robert Redford on me now, and be unprepared! L8R, y'all Skip, starkers because nobody without binocs could see us, and if the binox folks want to see me au naturel, they are welcome to it :{)) Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog When a man comes to like a sea life, he is not fit to live on land. - Dr. Samuel Johnson |
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