On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:59:41 -0400, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote:

"Bruce in bangkok" wrote in message
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But, you wrote above, "real sailors never have the need for a massive
refit", or perhaps you don't consider commercial vessels as being
"read sailors"?

Um, Bruce, please examine the name of the group to which
you post your replies to my valid observations. It is called
rec.boats.cruising is it not? Rec.boats.cruising means
recreational cruising boats and the sailors who operate
them does it not? So why do you insist upon your side-
stepping concerning commercial vessels?

I see.... So in the context of rec.boats a "real sailorman" is someone
who sails for fun as apposed to the professional sailor who makes his
living with a boat. Perhaps we should propose two new classifications
for those in boats. Say, "Real (real) Sailorman" and "Real (rec)
Sailorman"?

But while that would differentiate between the people who make their
living with a boat and the dilettantes it says nothing about the
skills and abilities of the dilettantes.... say the difference between
someone squatting on a boat and (for example) my mate Wayne who is
presently about 800 miles east of Bali, his next port of call, on a
single handed trip around the world, so perhaps we need a more finely
tuned description. Say, "Real Sailorman" for the Pros and perhaps
"Real (moored) rec Sailorman and Real (voyaging) (rec) Sailorman.

When I say "us real sailors" of course any sensible man
would conclude that the words are used in the context
of the recreational cruising boat world and not the
commercial vessel world. So, if you have a point to make
it would behoove you to not go some fishing expedition
in order to do so.


I see. In your world a "real" something isn't the real thing, it is
some sort of quasi thing with fewer capabilities than the real, real
thing. so in a slightly different context, a "Real bicycle racer"
isn't a bloke who won the Tour de France. it is a far less qualified
kid on his bike on a Sunday afternoon ride to the malt shop.

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Ah... now I see. Real sailors are those who make a living from the
business, i.e., "working ships" while "Recreational Sailors", i.e.,
those who play about with the Tupperware toys...

Negative, sarge! As explained above, in the context of a
recreational cruising boat discussion group *real sailors*
means those real recreational sailors who cruise aboard
their boats.

Oops! You just disqualified yourself from the title of "Real Sailor"
in any context. Or perhaps we can create a third qualification, say
Real (rec) (non sailing) sailorman?


OMG, but you seem to have all the logic of
a woman, Bruce. Could it be that you spend too much
time ashore with your wife and concubines?



So, if you are going play about in tiny toys I think that you should
be honest about it and stop referring to yourself as a "Real Sailor".
Perhaps a "recreational sailor" or even a rat, who was quoted as
saying, "Simply messing,' he went on dreamily: messing
--about--in--boats; messing----"

And, I would think you'd have the decency to not attempt
to turn the discussion here in a recreational cruising
group to that of a commercial vessel group and that
you'd not attempt to use definitions that might apply
to a commercial enterprise group here in a recreational
cruising group. But, then again, perhaps you have no
other recourse but subterfuge due to my being correct
and on point?

...

Trimmed some good stuff about Josiah Slocum
who was a real commercial enterprise sailor as
well as a real recreational cruising boat sailor.

SMACKDOWN on BRUCE
--
Cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok