No massive refit at all
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Dear Capt. Skippy, We real sailors never have the need for a massive refit and if, heaven forbid, we did have such a need, due to some extraordinary circumstance, even so, it would be an admission of sloth and other such lubberly traits. So what do we real sailors do as everybody knows nothing is forever and breakage and routine maintenance is a fact of life? Well, we real sailors live aboard and we never allow the type of decrepitude that requires a massive refit. Instead, we spend our time daily doing the required upkeep and routine maintenance so as to never require a massive refit. We have our priorities straight and our ducks in a row. We can't abide anything other than shipshape and Bristol Fashion. Real sailors would be mortified to admit they required a massive refit. Even pretend sailors should have the common sense and sense of pride to never give a blow by blow account of a massive refit in Internet discussion groups because doing so is a public admission of lubberly incompetence. If one is incompetent and lubberly, the very least one can do is have the decency to not claim to be a sailor. -- Sir Gregory Blue Water Sailing Yacht, "Cut the Mustard" |
No massive refit at all
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:59:04 -0400, " Sir Gergory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote: Regarding Message-ID: Dear Capt. Skippy, We real sailors never have the need for a massive refit and if, heaven forbid, we did have such a need, due to some extraordinary circumstance, even so, it would be an admission of sloth and other such lubberly traits. So what do we real sailors do as everybody knows nothing is forever and breakage and routine maintenance is a fact of life? Well, we real sailors live aboard and we never allow the type of decrepitude that requires a massive refit. Instead, we spend our time daily doing the required upkeep and routine maintenance so as to never require a massive refit. We have our priorities straight and our ducks in a row. We can't abide anything other than shipshape and Bristol Fashion. Real sailors would be mortified to admit they required a massive refit. Even pretend sailors should have the common sense and sense of pride to never give a blow by blow account of a massive refit in Internet discussion groups because doing so is a public admission of lubberly incompetence. If one is incompetent and lubberly, the very least one can do is have the decency to not claim to be a sailor. === Sir Gredory, as a self proclaimed "real sailor", I am shocked and appalled that we did not see you in the Caribbean last winter with all of the other real sailors (RS). There were RS from all over the world, some in boats barely larger than "The Mustard Gas". Many had gone transatlantic from Europe, some single handed. Those guys are truly RS, and they clearly and demonstrably have the RS (Right Stuff). Aloha y ciao y hasta luego et bon soir and auf wiedersehen. |
No massive refit at all
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:59:04 -0400, " Sir Gergory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote: Regarding Message-ID: Dear Capt. Skippy, We real sailors never have the need for a massive refit and if, heaven forbid, we did have such a need, due to some extraordinary circumstance, even so, it would be an admission of sloth and other such lubberly traits. So what do we real sailors do as everybody knows nothing is forever and breakage and routine maintenance is a fact of life? Well, we real sailors live aboard and we never allow the type of decrepitude that requires a massive refit. Instead, we spend our time daily doing the required upkeep and routine maintenance so as to never require a massive refit. We have our priorities straight and our ducks in a row. We can't abide anything other than shipshape and Bristol Fashion. Real sailors would be mortified to admit they required a massive refit. Even pretend sailors should have the common sense and sense of pride to never give a blow by blow account of a massive refit in Internet discussion groups because doing so is a public admission of lubberly incompetence. If one is incompetent and lubberly, the very least one can do is have the decency to not claim to be a sailor. Strangely considering the author :-), the above is a massive display of utter ignorance. Working ships frequently undergo "massive refits". I've got a good friend, a marine engineer, who has been making a very good living for the past 20 years as Project manager on "massive refits" of commercial vessels. But more to the question, how would the owner of a "Blue Water Sailing Yacht" know whether he has an actually blue water boat if he never goes sailing"? Ah well, I suppose he read it in a magazine. -- Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok |
No massive refit at all
"Bruce in bangkok" wrote in message
... On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:59:04 -0400, " Sir Gergory Hall, Esq·" åke wrote: Regarding Message-ID: Dear Capt. Skippy, We real sailors never have the need for a massive refit and if, heaven forbid, we did have such a need, due to some extraordinary circumstance, even so, it would be an admission of sloth and other such lubberly traits. So what do we real sailors do as everybody knows nothing is forever and breakage and routine maintenance is a fact of life? Well, we real sailors live aboard and we never allow the type of decrepitude that requires a massive refit. Instead, we spend our time daily doing the required upkeep and routine maintenance so as to never require a massive refit. We have our priorities straight and our ducks in a row. We can't abide anything other than shipshape and Bristol Fashion. Real sailors would be mortified to admit they required a massive refit. Even pretend sailors should have the common sense and sense of pride to never give a blow by blow account of a massive refit in Internet discussion groups because doing so is a public admission of lubberly incompetence. If one is incompetent and lubberly, the very least one can do is have the decency to not claim to be a sailor. Strangely considering the author :-), the above is a massive display of utter ignorance. Working ships frequently undergo "massive refits". I've got a good friend, a marine engineer, who has been making a very good living for the past 20 years as Project manager on "massive refits" of commercial vessels. FYI, working ships have to be economically viable propositions. One way to accomplish this is to run them 24/7/365 until it would be too dangerous and too costly to continue. So this requires a massive refit from time to time. (Some of the cruise ships might need a such a massive refit more often considering the abysmal record of late from some of them that break down and have to be towed into port with most everything not working - not even the sewage system). I can't remember the last time my cedar bucket broke down. ;-) There's a lesson in there somewhere, folks simplify, simplify, simplify! Anyway, recreational sailors have no need to run their vessels into the ground like commercial vessels. That you seem willing to compare apples and oranges casts doubt upon your qualifications as a recreational sailor. But, perhaps you've been away from it for so long that you've simply forgotten how it should be done? But more to the question, how would the owner of a "Blue Water Sailing Yacht" know whether he has an actually blue water boat if he never goes sailing"? Never goes sailing? Sounds like a big PKB to me. One need not join the madding crowd in the Caribbean to be called a sailor. The Caribbean crowd sailors have no idea of the efficacy and no desire to be completely out of the loop. Nay, they need to be near civilization so they can Tweet, Facebook, Usenet, email etc. IOW, it's, "HEY LOOKIT MEEEEEE!" You call THATsailing? OMG, Joshua Slocum is spinning in his watery grave! The only reason that old gentlman discussed his sailing is because he needed to earn some cash. Had he been independently wealthy nobody would have every heard of him and Rubes like you would be saying. Slocum? Why, he's no sailor. He never goes anywhere. How droll. -- Sir Gregory |
No massive refit at all
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:59:04 -0400, " Sir Gergory Hall, Esq·" åke wrote: Regarding Message-ID: Dear Capt. Skippy, We real sailors never have the need for a massive refit and if, heaven forbid, we did have such a need, due to some extraordinary circumstance, even so, it would be an admission of sloth and other such lubberly traits. So what do we real sailors do as everybody knows nothing is forever and breakage and routine maintenance is a fact of life? Well, we real sailors live aboard and we never allow the type of decrepitude that requires a massive refit. Instead, we spend our time daily doing the required upkeep and routine maintenance so as to never require a massive refit. We have our priorities straight and our ducks in a row. We can't abide anything other than shipshape and Bristol Fashion. Real sailors would be mortified to admit they required a massive refit. Even pretend sailors should have the common sense and sense of pride to never give a blow by blow account of a massive refit in Internet discussion groups because doing so is a public admission of lubberly incompetence. If one is incompetent and lubberly, the very least one can do is have the decency to not claim to be a sailor. === Sir Gredory, as a self proclaimed "real sailor", I am shocked and appalled that we did not see you in the Caribbean last winter with all of the other real sailors (RS). There were RS from all over the world, some in boats barely larger than "The Mustard Gas". Many had gone transatlantic from Europe, some single handed. Those guys are truly RS, and they clearly and demonstrably have the RS (Right Stuff). Please see my reply to Bruce at the Bangkok Dock! Message-ID: -- Sir Gregory |
No massive refit at all
On Tue, 23 Jul 2013 19:22:21 -0400, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote: "Bruce in bangkok" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 16:59:04 -0400, " Sir Gergory Hall, Esq·" åke wrote: Regarding Message-ID: Dear Capt. Skippy, We real sailors never have the need for a massive refit and if, heaven forbid, we did have such a need, due to some extraordinary circumstance, even so, it would be an admission of sloth and other such lubberly traits. So what do we real sailors do as everybody knows nothing is forever and breakage and routine maintenance is a fact of life? Well, we real sailors live aboard and we never allow the type of decrepitude that requires a massive refit. Instead, we spend our time daily doing the required upkeep and routine maintenance so as to never require a massive refit. We have our priorities straight and our ducks in a row. We can't abide anything other than shipshape and Bristol Fashion. Real sailors would be mortified to admit they required a massive refit. Even pretend sailors should have the common sense and sense of pride to never give a blow by blow account of a massive refit in Internet discussion groups because doing so is a public admission of lubberly incompetence. If one is incompetent and lubberly, the very least one can do is have the decency to not claim to be a sailor. Strangely considering the author :-), the above is a massive display of utter ignorance. Working ships frequently undergo "massive refits". I've got a good friend, a marine engineer, who has been making a very good living for the past 20 years as Project manager on "massive refits" of commercial vessels. FYI, working ships have to be economically viable propositions. One way to accomplish this is to run them 24/7/365 until it would be too dangerous and too costly to continue. So this requires a massive refit from time to time. (Some of the cruise ships might need a such a massive refit more often considering the abysmal record of late from some of them that break down and have to be towed into port with most everything not working - not even the sewage system). I can't remember the last time my cedar bucket broke down. ;-) There's a lesson in there somewhere, folks simplify, simplify, simplify! But, you wrote above, "real sailors never have the need for a massive refit", or perhaps you don't consider commercial vessels as being "read sailors"? Anyway, recreational sailors have no need to run their vessels into the ground like commercial vessels. That you seem willing to compare apples and oranges casts doubt upon your qualifications as a recreational sailor. But, perhaps you've been away from it for so long that you've simply forgotten how it should be done? Ah... now I see. Real sailors are those who make a living from the business, i.e., "working ships" while "Recreational Sailors", i.e., those who play about with the Tupperware toys... So, if you are going play about in tiny toys I think that you should be honest about it and stop referring to yourself as a "Real Sailor". Perhaps a "recreational sailor" or even a rat, who was quoted as saying, "Simply messing,' he went on dreamily: messing --about--in--boats; messing----" But more to the question, how would the owner of a "Blue Water Sailing Yacht" know whether he has an actually blue water boat if he never goes sailing"? Never goes sailing? Sounds like a big PKB to me. One need not join the madding crowd in the Caribbean to be called a sailor. The Caribbean crowd sailors have no idea of the efficacy and no desire to be completely out of the loop. Nay, they need to be near civilization so they can Tweet, Facebook, Usenet, email etc. IOW, it's, "HEY LOOKIT MEEEEEE!" You call THATsailing? OMG, Joshua Slocum is spinning in his watery grave! The only reason that old gentlman discussed his sailing is because he needed to earn some cash. Had he been independently wealthy nobody would have every heard of him and Rubes like you would be saying. Slocum? Why, he's no sailor. He never goes anywhere. How droll. Joshua financed his voyage primarily by advertising in newspapers and charging people to come aboard the Spray. His book deal was an integral part of his journey: his publisher had provided Slocum with an extensive on-board library, and Slocum wrote several letters to his editor from distant points around the globe and subsequent to the book being published Slocum sailed the Spray from port to port in the northeastern US during the summer and the West Indies during the winter, lecturing and selling books wherever he could. The pitiful part is that people with smaller boats than you have sailed around the world. see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h167pT8u_Cg I met the guy in Phuket and talked with him and he said that (1) he wanted to sail, and (2) this was all he could afford, so he bought the boat and went sailing, and ended up sailing around the world. There is no reason that you couldn't sail your boat, which is even larger then Carina, the Hungarian's boat. But you don't go. You argue that you keep all your sailing secret, clutched tightly to your bosom, but then when you do take a trip around the bay you publish the account in loving detail. Remember? You described the trip down the bay, anchor on a mud bank, and back the next morning. A great voyage, perhaps? Down the bay and back. As some great man once said, "You have nothing to fear but fear itself". -- Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok |
No massive refit at all
On 7/23/2013 5:22 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
. I can't remember the last time my cedar bucket broke down. ;-) There's a lesson in there somewhere, folks simplify, simplify, simplify! If you mean the toilets from the pre-engine days, it was an 'oaken' bucket - not cedar. |
No massive refit at all
"slide" wrote in message
... On 7/23/2013 5:22 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote: . I can't remember the last time my cedar bucket broke down. ;-) There's a lesson in there somewhere, folks simplify, simplify, simplify! If you mean the toilets from the pre-engine days, it was an 'oaken' bucket - not cedar. A modern cedar bucket is lighter and more pleasing to the eye than some heavy old oaken bucket that turns almost black with wind, rain and sun. The cedar bucket is an all around boat bucket. It may be used for washing laundry, dishes, body sponge baths, temporary live well, dumping sewage overboard, or containing it in plastic bags if inshore, scrubbing the deck, etc. It needs to have a sturdy bail. -- Sir Gregory |
No massive refit at all
"Bruce in bangkok" wrote in message
... ... But, you wrote above, "real sailors never have the need for a massive refit", or perhaps you don't consider commercial vessels as being "read sailors"? Um, Bruce, please examine the name of the group to which you post your replies to my valid observations. It is called rec.boats.cruising is it not? Rec.boats.cruising means recreational cruising boats and the sailors who operate them does it not? So why do you insist upon your side- stepping concerning commercial vessels? When I say "us real sailors" of course any sensible man would conclude that the words are used in the context of the recreational cruising boat world and not the commercial vessel world. So, if you have a point to make it would behoove you to not go some fishing expedition in order to do so. ... Ah... now I see. Real sailors are those who make a living from the business, i.e., "working ships" while "Recreational Sailors", i.e., those who play about with the Tupperware toys... Negative, sarge! As explained above, in the context of a recreational cruising boat discussion group *real sailors* means those real recreational sailors who cruise aboard their boats. OMG, but you seem to have all the logic of a woman, Bruce. Could it be that you spend too much time ashore with your wife and concubines? So, if you are going play about in tiny toys I think that you should be honest about it and stop referring to yourself as a "Real Sailor". Perhaps a "recreational sailor" or even a rat, who was quoted as saying, "Simply messing,' he went on dreamily: messing --about--in--boats; messing----" And, I would think you'd have the decency to not attempt to turn the discussion here in a recreational cruising group to that of a commercial vessel group and that you'd not attempt to use definitions that might apply to a commercial enterprise group here in a recreational cruising group. But, then again, perhaps you have no other recourse but subterfuge due to my being correct and on point? ... Trimmed some good stuff about Josiah Slocum who was a real commercial enterprise sailor as well as a real recreational cruising boat sailor. SMACKDOWN on BRUCE -- Sir Gregory |
No massive refit at all
On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:59:41 -0400, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote: "Bruce in bangkok" wrote in message .. . ... But, you wrote above, "real sailors never have the need for a massive refit", or perhaps you don't consider commercial vessels as being "read sailors"? Um, Bruce, please examine the name of the group to which you post your replies to my valid observations. It is called rec.boats.cruising is it not? Rec.boats.cruising means recreational cruising boats and the sailors who operate them does it not? So why do you insist upon your side- stepping concerning commercial vessels? I see.... So in the context of rec.boats a "real sailorman" is someone who sails for fun as apposed to the professional sailor who makes his living with a boat. Perhaps we should propose two new classifications for those in boats. Say, "Real (real) Sailorman" and "Real (rec) Sailorman"? But while that would differentiate between the people who make their living with a boat and the dilettantes it says nothing about the skills and abilities of the dilettantes.... say the difference between someone squatting on a boat and (for example) my mate Wayne who is presently about 800 miles east of Bali, his next port of call, on a single handed trip around the world, so perhaps we need a more finely tuned description. Say, "Real Sailorman" for the Pros and perhaps "Real (moored) rec Sailorman and Real (voyaging) (rec) Sailorman. When I say "us real sailors" of course any sensible man would conclude that the words are used in the context of the recreational cruising boat world and not the commercial vessel world. So, if you have a point to make it would behoove you to not go some fishing expedition in order to do so. I see. In your world a "real" something isn't the real thing, it is some sort of quasi thing with fewer capabilities than the real, real thing. so in a slightly different context, a "Real bicycle racer" isn't a bloke who won the Tour de France. it is a far less qualified kid on his bike on a Sunday afternoon ride to the malt shop. ... Ah... now I see. Real sailors are those who make a living from the business, i.e., "working ships" while "Recreational Sailors", i.e., those who play about with the Tupperware toys... Negative, sarge! As explained above, in the context of a recreational cruising boat discussion group *real sailors* means those real recreational sailors who cruise aboard their boats. Oops! You just disqualified yourself from the title of "Real Sailor" in any context. Or perhaps we can create a third qualification, say Real (rec) (non sailing) sailorman? OMG, but you seem to have all the logic of a woman, Bruce. Could it be that you spend too much time ashore with your wife and concubines? So, if you are going play about in tiny toys I think that you should be honest about it and stop referring to yourself as a "Real Sailor". Perhaps a "recreational sailor" or even a rat, who was quoted as saying, "Simply messing,' he went on dreamily: messing --about--in--boats; messing----" And, I would think you'd have the decency to not attempt to turn the discussion here in a recreational cruising group to that of a commercial vessel group and that you'd not attempt to use definitions that might apply to a commercial enterprise group here in a recreational cruising group. But, then again, perhaps you have no other recourse but subterfuge due to my being correct and on point? ... Trimmed some good stuff about Josiah Slocum who was a real commercial enterprise sailor as well as a real recreational cruising boat sailor. SMACKDOWN on BRUCE -- Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok |
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