"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:04:01 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Flying Pig" wrote in message
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Just a small interjection here...

I once saw an on-line video of an instructor sailing a dinghy (that would
be
a small racing sailboat) BACKWARDS through a maze (pilings in a row,
zig-zagging between them)...

You can do amazing things if you're one with your ship...


Agreed! There might just be hope for you as a sailor yet, Skippy!

It's a sad state of affairs when confirmed motor heads attempt
to tell those of us who know how to handle our boats under sail
alone that it can't be done or that it's somehow rude, anti-social
or dangerous to do it. Balderdash!

Wilbur Hubbard

"We who know how to handle our boats"? Willie-boy, the renowned
Armchair Sailor? Who gained his vast knowledge from reading magazines?

You have to be joking.

I can sail circles around you, Bruce. Well, perhaps not -- it's pretty
difficult to sail circles around a dock because it's attached to the shore.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Duncan McCormack" wrote in message
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In article s.com,
lid, Wilbur Hubbard says...
wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:09:05 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote this crap:

snip
Imagine if your lazy attitude was in place 200-250 years ago
in the age of sail where very large vessels plied the seas and
the ports without the hint of an engine on board. Did freight
and passengers not get delivered before the age of steam
boats?

Yes. Arrival times could be within weeks, sometimes months, and many
boats didn't arrive at all, and today, make popular diving atractions.

So? What does that mean other than sometimes pure sailboats foundered. That
most certainly does not belie the fact that motorboats also founder!

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
wrote

Really? Which clause of whose constitution, precisely?

"Section 2 of Article III of the United States Constitution gives
original jurisdiction in admiralty matters to the federal courts.
The federal courts have exclusive jurisdiction over most admiralty
and maritime claims pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1333. Under this
statute, federal district courts are granted original jurisdiction
over admiralty actions "saving to suitors," a right to file suit for
most of these actions in state court."

I don't see sailboats or motors mentioned there.

Too ****ing bad!!!



But it isn't. Interior waters have always been left to the states. And if
there is a bridge, it usually spans over state waters. Intercoastal, bays,
harbors, lakes, rivers, streams, rills. All state waters.

So the states can decide the laws that are beneficial to protect property
and lives. Now, I suspect one can sail under the Golden Gate, I don't see
why not, but most of the intracoastal would be limited as there are safety
issues if all other boats have to give way to some a*hole tacking under sail
in a narrow waterway. The intracoastal is 72' wide. You get turned
sideways in there and you could run aground, or cause a barge to run aground
causing millions of dollars in damages. Or more likely it'll just run you
slap over, especially in the costal waters of LA (that'd be Lous'ana to you
yankees).

So you can pretend it's "all sail, all the time" if you like. The stark
realities are that for safety reasons, for convenience, out of sheer respect
for your fellow boaters, then there will be certain times that a motor is
going to have to be used.

"paulthomascpa" wrote in message
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
wrote

Really? Which clause of whose constitution, precisely?

"Section 2 of Article III of the United States Constitution gives
original jurisdiction in admiralty matters to the federal courts.
The federal courts have exclusive jurisdiction over most admiralty
and maritime claims pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1333. Under this
statute, federal district courts are granted original jurisdiction
over admiralty actions "saving to suitors," a right to file suit for
most of these actions in state court."

I don't see sailboats or motors mentioned there.

Too ****ing bad!!!



But it isn't. Interior waters have always been left to the states. And if
there is a bridge, it usually spans over state waters. Intercoastal, bays,
harbors, lakes, rivers, streams, rills. All state waters.

Hey stupid! Waters that connect to the oceans are considered
navigatible. Navigatable waters come under FEDERAL perview.
So take your ignorant communist views and stuff them.


Wilbur Hubbard.

In article s.com,
lid, Wilbur Hubbard says...

"Duncan McCormack" wrote in message
...
In article s.com,
lid, Wilbur Hubbard says...
wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:09:05 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote this crap:

snip
Imagine if your lazy attitude was in place 200-250 years ago
in the age of sail where very large vessels plied the seas and
the ports without the hint of an engine on board. Did freight
and passengers not get delivered before the age of steam
boats?

Yes. Arrival times could be within weeks, sometimes months, and many
boats didn't arrive at all, and today, make popular diving atractions.

So? What does that mean other than sometimes pure sailboats foundered. That
most certainly does not belie the fact that motorboats also founder!

Whilst true on face value, if you check the percentages, you'll find
todays martitime foundering incidents *far* less prevalent than the days
of sailing vessels. So your suggestion is, essentially, false.

--
Duncan.

On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:58:06 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:04:01 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
Just a small interjection here...

I once saw an on-line video of an instructor sailing a dinghy (that would
be
a small racing sailboat) BACKWARDS through a maze (pilings in a row,
zig-zagging between them)...

You can do amazing things if you're one with your ship...


Agreed! There might just be hope for you as a sailor yet, Skippy!

It's a sad state of affairs when confirmed motor heads attempt
to tell those of us who know how to handle our boats under sail
alone that it can't be done or that it's somehow rude, anti-social
or dangerous to do it. Balderdash!

Wilbur Hubbard

"We who know how to handle our boats"? Willie-boy, the renowned
Armchair Sailor? Who gained his vast knowledge from reading magazines?

You have to be joking.

I can sail circles around you, Bruce. Well, perhaps not -- it's pretty
difficult to sail circles around a dock because it's attached to the shore.

Wilbur Hubbard


An exciting challenge. O.K. do it.... I'm waiting.

But of course your reputation is safe as you are roosting in a bay in
Florida and I'm half way round the world from you and you lack the
"intestinal fortitude" to come to the races.

Willie-boy ( in his La-Z-Boy) the intrepid sailor.

--
Cheers,
Bruce

In article s.com,
lid says...

"injipoint" wrote in message
...

trim

That cost of diesel is really ****ing me off too but there are days here in
the Med where there is no wind period. Full stop. Even with my new u-beaut
take-off-in-under-ten-knots sails we can't move. I've got too much to see
before I die to let time slip by.


Try a tour bus while becalmed in port. Stop polluting the air and oceans of
the world with diesel oil, diesel fumes, and diesel noise. Enjoy the down
time. Real sailors aren't in a hurry. That's motorhead mentality.

LOL---make sure to find an electric tour bus---you wouldn't want to be
the reason for even more diesel pollution!


Mark Borgerson

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
Hey stupid! Waters that connect to the oceans are considered
navigatible. Navigatable waters come under FEDERAL perview.
So take your ignorant communist views and stuff them.


All waters flow to the ocean. Or did you flunk out of physics.

"Duncan McCormack" wrote
Wilbur Hubbard says...
So? What does that mean other than sometimes pure sailboats foundered.
That
most certainly does not belie the fact that motorboats also founder!

Whilst true on face value, if you check the percentages, you'll find
todays martitime foundering incidents *far* less prevalent than the days
of sailing vessels. So your suggestion is, essentially, false.




To be fair here, today's vessels have a tad more electronics for navigation,
weather and communication than those from 200+ years ago. Better
information & communication has led to better navigation and less wrecks.

What you see today though, is a lot more cargo being shipped by power than
could ever be done by sail.

"paulthomascpa" wrote in message
...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
Hey stupid! Waters that connect to the oceans are considered
navigatible. Navigatable waters come under FEDERAL perview.
So take your ignorant communist views and stuff them.

All waters flow to the ocean. Or did you flunk out of physics.



You are claiming that the Great Salt Lake, the Caspian Sea, Qinghai Lake and
other endorheic bodies of water all have waters that flow to the sea?

How droll!

You'd better click on this link and get educated, dude!

http://alldownstream.wordpress.com/2...world-by-area/


Wilbur Hubbard