Another e-mail from a mate who is "part way 'round" regarding engine
use. He gets a little heretical at the end but he is a bit outspoken
:-)

Hello Bruce,

To get from Langkawi to where I am now, I have used 1385 liters of
diesel and I've traveled 8735 nautical miles. A small economical
trawler may have used 6550 liters. I have probably done the steep
uphill part of this journey now as from now on, I will have trade
winds and favorable currents to go with although I envision using the
engine a lot in the Caribbean. I could have done it for less if I
waited in the shallows for the favorable wind before leaving places,
drifted offshore when becalmed and used a transport ship to carry me
up the Red Sea and through the Suez Canal. The fast sailing Clippers,
which were built to obtain tea from Ceylon and get it back to England,
etc. in a record breaking time was put out of work when the Suez Canal
was built as steam ships could go that route much faster instead of
around the cape. The Clippers couldn't make it up the Red Sea. Most
people who have circumnavigated using the "milk run" from east to west
usually spend about 10 years doing it. One reason for so long is that
they do a lot of sight seeing but also it is due to needing more rest
at each place because of fatigue from "working" their way (tacking &
tacking) to get anywhere (sometimes no where). In addition there are
many places nowadays that do not allow engineless passages,
Singapore straits, Suez Canal to name a couple. And having an outboard
hanging off the stern or using a dinghy powered by an outboard tied
alongside the yacht defeats the act of sailing totally by wind. Also,
I am now convinced that most stories told about trips have been
glorified a lot. People just don't admit using their engines. Most of
the famous guys like Joshua Slocam, Bernard Mansurie, Bruce Roberts,
George Beuller made/make their money from book sales so they have had
to stretch & modify the truth. :-)

Regards .... Wayne

--
Cheers,
Bruce

"Bruce" wrote in message
...

Another e-mail from a mate who is "part way 'round" regarding engine
use. He gets a little heretical at the end but he is a bit outspoken
:-)

Hello Bruce,

To get from Langkawi to where I am now, I have used 1385 liters of
diesel and I've traveled 8735 nautical miles. A small economical
trawler may have used 6550 liters. trim to end

Good grief! More proof of which I speak. The VERY FIRST THING the Rube
mentions is how much diesel fuel he's burned. As if that's something to be
proud of. Like I have always maintained, there is something about diesel fumes
that is addictive and/or corrodes the brain to the point where people actually
BRAG about how much air pollution they produce during their selfish endeavors.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
"Bruce" wrote
To get from Langkawi to where I am now, I have used 1385 liters of
diesel and I've traveled 8735 nautical miles. A small economical
trawler may have used 6550 liters. trim to end

Good grief! More proof of which I speak. The VERY FIRST THING the Rube
mentions is how much diesel fuel he's burned. As if that's something to be
proud of. Like I have always maintained, there is something about diesel
fumes that is addictive and/or corrodes the brain to the point where
people actually BRAG about how much air pollution they produce during
their selfish endeavors.



I think he's bragging about how little he used. And unless you plan to
paddle your boat(s) around, you have to burn some fuel.

"paulthomascpa" wrote in message
...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
"Bruce" wrote
To get from Langkawi to where I am now, I have used 1385 liters of
diesel and I've traveled 8735 nautical miles. A small economical
trawler may have used 6550 liters. trim to end

Good grief! More proof of which I speak. The VERY FIRST THING the Rube
mentions is how much diesel fuel he's burned. As if that's something to be
proud of. Like I have always maintained, there is something about diesel
fumes that is addictive and/or corrodes the brain to the point where people
actually BRAG about how much air pollution they produce during their
selfish endeavors.

I think he's bragging about how little he used. And unless you plan to
paddle your boat(s) around, you have to burn some fuel.


363 gallons is hardly "little" for a trip of probably 800 miles.

A well-found sailboat that is not encumbered with a heavy diesel
is capable of sailing 800 miles or around the world for that matter
while burning no diesel at all.

Get a clue. (Sheesh - another motor head!)

Wilbur Hubbard

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:36:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"paulthomascpa" wrote in message
...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
"Bruce" wrote
To get from Langkawi to where I am now, I have used 1385 liters of
diesel and I've traveled 8735 nautical miles. A small economical
trawler may have used 6550 liters. trim to end

Good grief! More proof of which I speak. The VERY FIRST THING the Rube
mentions is how much diesel fuel he's burned. As if that's something to be
proud of. Like I have always maintained, there is something about diesel
fumes that is addictive and/or corrodes the brain to the point where people
actually BRAG about how much air pollution they produce during their
selfish endeavors.

I think he's bragging about how little he used. And unless you plan to
paddle your boat(s) around, you have to burn some fuel.


363 gallons is hardly "little" for a trip of probably 800 miles.

A well-found sailboat that is not encumbered with a heavy diesel
is capable of sailing 800 miles or around the world for that matter
while burning no diesel at all.

Get a clue. (Sheesh - another motor head!)

Wilbur Hubbard


How in the world would you know? Willie-boy the armchair sailor. Yes,
yes, I know, you read it inna magazine.
--
Cheers,
Bruce

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:10:38 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .

Another e-mail from a mate who is "part way 'round" regarding engine
use. He gets a little heretical at the end but he is a bit outspoken
:-)

Hello Bruce,

To get from Langkawi to where I am now, I have used 1385 liters of
diesel and I've traveled 8735 nautical miles. A small economical
trawler may have used 6550 liters. trim to end

Good grief! More proof of which I speak. The VERY FIRST THING the Rube
mentions is how much diesel fuel he's burned. As if that's something to be
proud of. Like I have always maintained, there is something about diesel fumes
that is addictive and/or corrodes the brain to the point where people actually
BRAG about how much air pollution they produce during their selfish endeavors.

Wilbur Hubbard


You missed the part about floating around waiting for the tide to move
you, going up the Red Sea against a 20 - 25K head wind and all the
other reasons a fella might want/need to motor.

But then, with your experience, you would, wouldn't you. Never having
sailed any where and with your "experience" gained from sitting on a
tiny boat in a sewage choked bay in Florida and reading sailing
magazines your knowledge comes from whatever the magazine editor
decided to publish.

One hears that you are now so old you are drawing social Security so
there is no reason that you can't cruise, other then your fear of the
"wine dark sea", as the ancient Greeks termed it. Of course,
experience can be gained by simply hauling up the anchor and having at
it, as they say. But the fact that you didn't certainly demonstrates
your lack of ability.

You haven't because you won't and you won't because you are terrified.
so much easier to sit on the tiny, yellow, toy and read about it.

Willie-boy the armchair sailor.
--
Cheers,
Bruce

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 06:49:36 +0700, Bruce
wrote:


You missed the part about floating around waiting for the tide to move
you, going up the Red Sea against a 20 - 25K head wind and all the
other reasons a fella might want/need to motor.

snip

Willie-boy the armchair sailor.

A "sailor" and a "cruiser" are different animals.
I have I friend sailor who hates to motor.
Even when he "cruises." He'll find an anchorage he likes, drop the
hook, and stay awhile. In and out under sail.
I crewed on his 40' something-or-other bringing it from Michigan to
Monroe harbor in Chicago one cold Memorial Day weekend.
Miserable 2 days with the wind dead against us. He didn't seem to
mind it. Wouldn't even turn on nav lights because he didn't like
using the battery.
Only motored pulling into a dock in Waukegan because everybody was
exhausted. I left and took the train home. Trip was taking too long
and I felt bad about not being with my wife and kids on the holiday.
They made it to Monroe harbor the next day in record time because the
wind swung strong to northerly. Ripped his spinaker.
If I was a fortune teller I would have boarded in Waukegan.

On 11/10/2012 1:12 PM, Bruce wrote:

Another e-mail from a mate who is "part way 'round" regarding engine
use. He gets a little heretical at the end but he is a bit outspoken
:-)

Hello Bruce,

To get from Langkawi to where I am now, I have used 1385 liters of
diesel and I've traveled 8735 nautical miles. A small economical
trawler may have used 6550 liters. I have probably done the steep
uphill part of this journey now as from now on, I will have trade
winds and favorable currents to go with although I envision using the
engine a lot in the Caribbean. I could have done it for less if I
waited in the shallows for the favorable wind before leaving places,
drifted offshore when becalmed and used a transport ship to carry me
up the Red Sea and through the Suez Canal. The fast sailing Clippers,
which were built to obtain tea from Ceylon and get it back to England,
etc. in a record breaking time was put out of work when the Suez Canal
was built as steam ships could go that route much faster instead of
around the cape. The Clippers couldn't make it up the Red Sea. Most
people who have circumnavigated using the "milk run" from east to west
usually spend about 10 years doing it. One reason for so long is that
they do a lot of sight seeing but also it is due to needing more rest
at each place because of fatigue from "working" their way (tacking &
tacking) to get anywhere (sometimes no where). In addition there are
many places nowadays that do not allow engineless passages,
Singapore straits, Suez Canal to name a couple. And having an outboard
hanging off the stern or using a dinghy powered by an outboard tied
alongside the yacht defeats the act of sailing totally by wind. Also,
I am now convinced that most stories told about trips have been
glorified a lot. People just don't admit using their engines. Most of
the famous guys like Joshua Slocam, Bernard Mansurie, Bruce Roberts,
George Beuller made/make their money from book sales so they have had
to stretch & modify the truth. :-)

Regards .... Wayne

That cost of diesel is really ****ing me off too but there are days here
in the Med where there is no wind period. Full stop. Even with my new
u-beaut take-off-in-under-ten-knots sails we can't move. I've got too
much to see before I die to let time slip by.

"injipoint" wrote in message
...

trim

That cost of diesel is really ****ing me off too but there are days here in
the Med where there is no wind period. Full stop. Even with my new u-beaut
take-off-in-under-ten-knots sails we can't move. I've got too much to see
before I die to let time slip by.


Try a tour bus while becalmed in port. Stop polluting the air and oceans of
the world with diesel oil, diesel fumes, and diesel noise. Enjoy the down
time. Real sailors aren't in a hurry. That's motorhead mentality.

Wilbur Hubbard

On 11/10/2012 8:40 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"injipoint" wrote in message
...

trim

That cost of diesel is really ****ing me off too but there are days here in
the Med where there is no wind period. Full stop. Even with my new u-beaut
take-off-in-under-ten-knots sails we can't move. I've got too much to see
before I die to let time slip by.


Try a tour bus while becalmed in port. Stop polluting the air and oceans of
the world with diesel oil, diesel fumes, and diesel noise. Enjoy the down
time. Real sailors aren't in a hurry. That's motorhead mentality.

Wilbur Hubbard

Good advice. We already went to Lisbon by bus from Lagos and also to
Seville from there.

While we were stuck in Ft Lauderdale, we even came down your way through
the place that that guy says is your address. We went to Key West but
we would have stopped if you'd been around.

We went to New York by bus from Baltimore, and to Washington a couple of
times too.

I hear what you say but there are some times when we need to get some
distance done.