On 17/10/12 20:49, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
Any law that says it's illegal to go through a
bridge (I assume you mean a bridge that opens) under sail power is an
unconstitutional law and needs to be challenged.

Really? Which clause of whose constitution, precisely?

Ian

"The Real Doctor" wrote in message
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On 17/10/12 20:49, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
Any law that says it's illegal to go through a
bridge (I assume you mean a bridge that opens) under sail power is an
unconstitutional law and needs to be challenged.

Really? Which clause of whose constitution, precisely?

Ian



"Section 2 of Article III of the United States Constitution gives
original jurisdiction in admiralty matters to the federal courts.
The federal courts have exclusive jurisdiction over most admiralty
and maritime claims pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1333. Under this
statute, federal district courts are granted original jurisdiction
over admiralty actions "saving to suitors," a right to file suit for
most of these actions in state court."

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_..._admiralty_law


In other words, any US state or municipality that attempts to
control navigation rights over and above those limits placed upon
it by the federal courts is acting unilaterally and at odds with
federal jurisdiction. All it would take to overturn ANY local law
restricting sailing under bridges would be a case filed in
federal court.


Wilbur Hubbard

On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:59:18 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote this crap:

"The Real Doctor" wrote in message
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On 17/10/12 20:49, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
Any law that says it's illegal to go through a
bridge (I assume you mean a bridge that opens) under sail power is an
unconstitutional law and needs to be challenged.

Really? Which clause of whose constitution, precisely?

Ian



"Section 2 of Article III of the United States Constitution gives
original jurisdiction in admiralty matters to the federal courts.
The federal courts have exclusive jurisdiction over most admiralty
and maritime claims pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1333. Under this
statute, federal district courts are granted original jurisdiction
over admiralty actions "saving to suitors," a right to file suit for
most of these actions in state court."

I don't see sailboats or motors mentioned there.

Vote for Romney. Repeal the nightmares.

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On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:59:18 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote this crap:

"The Real Doctor" wrote in message
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On 17/10/12 20:49, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
Any law that says it's illegal to go through a
bridge (I assume you mean a bridge that opens) under sail power is an
unconstitutional law and needs to be challenged.

Really? Which clause of whose constitution, precisely?

"Section 2 of Article III of the United States Constitution gives
original jurisdiction in admiralty matters to the federal courts.
The federal courts have exclusive jurisdiction over most admiralty
and maritime claims pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1333. Under this
statute, federal district courts are granted original jurisdiction
over admiralty actions "saving to suitors," a right to file suit for
most of these actions in state court."

I don't see sailboats or motors mentioned there.

Too ****ing bad!!!

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
wrote

Really? Which clause of whose constitution, precisely?

"Section 2 of Article III of the United States Constitution gives
original jurisdiction in admiralty matters to the federal courts.
The federal courts have exclusive jurisdiction over most admiralty
and maritime claims pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1333. Under this
statute, federal district courts are granted original jurisdiction
over admiralty actions "saving to suitors," a right to file suit for
most of these actions in state court."

I don't see sailboats or motors mentioned there.

Too ****ing bad!!!



But it isn't. Interior waters have always been left to the states. And if
there is a bridge, it usually spans over state waters. Intercoastal, bays,
harbors, lakes, rivers, streams, rills. All state waters.

So the states can decide the laws that are beneficial to protect property
and lives. Now, I suspect one can sail under the Golden Gate, I don't see
why not, but most of the intracoastal would be limited as there are safety
issues if all other boats have to give way to some a*hole tacking under sail
in a narrow waterway. The intracoastal is 72' wide. You get turned
sideways in there and you could run aground, or cause a barge to run aground
causing millions of dollars in damages. Or more likely it'll just run you
slap over, especially in the costal waters of LA (that'd be Lous'ana to you
yankees).

So you can pretend it's "all sail, all the time" if you like. The stark
realities are that for safety reasons, for convenience, out of sheer respect
for your fellow boaters, then there will be certain times that a motor is
going to have to be used.

"paulthomascpa" wrote in message
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
wrote

Really? Which clause of whose constitution, precisely?

"Section 2 of Article III of the United States Constitution gives
original jurisdiction in admiralty matters to the federal courts.
The federal courts have exclusive jurisdiction over most admiralty
and maritime claims pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1333. Under this
statute, federal district courts are granted original jurisdiction
over admiralty actions "saving to suitors," a right to file suit for
most of these actions in state court."

I don't see sailboats or motors mentioned there.

Too ****ing bad!!!



But it isn't. Interior waters have always been left to the states. And if
there is a bridge, it usually spans over state waters. Intercoastal, bays,
harbors, lakes, rivers, streams, rills. All state waters.

Hey stupid! Waters that connect to the oceans are considered
navigatible. Navigatable waters come under FEDERAL perview.
So take your ignorant communist views and stuff them.


Wilbur Hubbard.

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
Hey stupid! Waters that connect to the oceans are considered
navigatible. Navigatable waters come under FEDERAL perview.
So take your ignorant communist views and stuff them.


All waters flow to the ocean. Or did you flunk out of physics.