On 11/10/2012 1:12 PM, Bruce wrote:

Another e-mail from a mate who is "part way 'round" regarding engine
use. He gets a little heretical at the end but he is a bit outspoken
:-)

Hello Bruce,

To get from Langkawi to where I am now, I have used 1385 liters of
diesel and I've traveled 8735 nautical miles. A small economical
trawler may have used 6550 liters. I have probably done the steep
uphill part of this journey now as from now on, I will have trade
winds and favorable currents to go with although I envision using the
engine a lot in the Caribbean. I could have done it for less if I
waited in the shallows for the favorable wind before leaving places,
drifted offshore when becalmed and used a transport ship to carry me
up the Red Sea and through the Suez Canal. The fast sailing Clippers,
which were built to obtain tea from Ceylon and get it back to England,
etc. in a record breaking time was put out of work when the Suez Canal
was built as steam ships could go that route much faster instead of
around the cape. The Clippers couldn't make it up the Red Sea. Most
people who have circumnavigated using the "milk run" from east to west
usually spend about 10 years doing it. One reason for so long is that
they do a lot of sight seeing but also it is due to needing more rest
at each place because of fatigue from "working" their way (tacking &
tacking) to get anywhere (sometimes no where). In addition there are
many places nowadays that do not allow engineless passages,
Singapore straits, Suez Canal to name a couple. And having an outboard
hanging off the stern or using a dinghy powered by an outboard tied
alongside the yacht defeats the act of sailing totally by wind. Also,
I am now convinced that most stories told about trips have been
glorified a lot. People just don't admit using their engines. Most of
the famous guys like Joshua Slocam, Bernard Mansurie, Bruce Roberts,
George Beuller made/make their money from book sales so they have had
to stretch & modify the truth. :-)

Regards .... Wayne

That cost of diesel is really ****ing me off too but there are days here
in the Med where there is no wind period. Full stop. Even with my new
u-beaut take-off-in-under-ten-knots sails we can't move. I've got too
much to see before I die to let time slip by.

"injipoint" wrote in message
...

trim

That cost of diesel is really ****ing me off too but there are days here in
the Med where there is no wind period. Full stop. Even with my new u-beaut
take-off-in-under-ten-knots sails we can't move. I've got too much to see
before I die to let time slip by.


Try a tour bus while becalmed in port. Stop polluting the air and oceans of
the world with diesel oil, diesel fumes, and diesel noise. Enjoy the down
time. Real sailors aren't in a hurry. That's motorhead mentality.

Wilbur Hubbard

On 11/10/2012 8:40 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"injipoint" wrote in message
...

trim

That cost of diesel is really ****ing me off too but there are days here in
the Med where there is no wind period. Full stop. Even with my new u-beaut
take-off-in-under-ten-knots sails we can't move. I've got too much to see
before I die to let time slip by.


Try a tour bus while becalmed in port. Stop polluting the air and oceans of
the world with diesel oil, diesel fumes, and diesel noise. Enjoy the down
time. Real sailors aren't in a hurry. That's motorhead mentality.

Wilbur Hubbard

Good advice. We already went to Lisbon by bus from Lagos and also to
Seville from there.

While we were stuck in Ft Lauderdale, we even came down your way through
the place that that guy says is your address. We went to Key West but
we would have stopped if you'd been around.

We went to New York by bus from Baltimore, and to Washington a couple of
times too.

I hear what you say but there are some times when we need to get some
distance done.

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
Try a tour bus while becalmed in port. Stop polluting the
air and oceans of the world with diesel oil, diesel fumes,
and diesel noise.



By riding in a diesel powered bus? WTF is that proving?

"paulthomascpa" wrote in message
...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
Try a tour bus while becalmed in port. Stop polluting the
air and oceans of the world with diesel oil, diesel fumes,
and diesel noise.

By riding in a diesel powered bus? WTF is that proving?

Dozens or more ride a bus while one or two burn about the same amount of
diesel aboard a yacht. And, some busses these days are using propane which is
much cleaner than diesel which is a primitive engine and a dirty fuel.

The pollution level per capita is much much less for a tour bus than for a
private yacht.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:56:09 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"paulthomascpa" wrote in message
...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
Try a tour bus while becalmed in port. Stop polluting the
air and oceans of the world with diesel oil, diesel fumes,
and diesel noise.

By riding in a diesel powered bus? WTF is that proving?

Dozens or more ride a bus while one or two burn about the same amount of
diesel aboard a yacht. And, some busses these days are using propane which is
much cleaner than diesel which is a primitive engine and a dirty fuel.

The pollution level per capita is much much less for a tour bus than for a
private yacht.

Wilbur Hubbard

What utter Bull ****. A 500 HP bus compared with a 50 HP auxiliary
motor.

But more to the point.... How would an arm-chair sailor know all this
technical information? Read it in a magazine, or course.
--
Cheers,
Bruce

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:40:36 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"injipoint" wrote in message
...

trim

That cost of diesel is really ****ing me off too but there are days here in
the Med where there is no wind period. Full stop. Even with my new u-beaut
take-off-in-under-ten-knots sails we can't move. I've got too much to see
before I die to let time slip by.


Try a tour bus while becalmed in port. Stop polluting the air and oceans of
the world with diesel oil, diesel fumes, and diesel noise. Enjoy the down
time. Real sailors aren't in a hurry. That's motorhead mentality.

Wilbur Hubbard


Ah yes, the armchair sailor KNOWS! (of course you do, you read it in a
magazine)

--
Cheers,
Bruce

In article s.com,
lid says...

"injipoint" wrote in message
...

trim

That cost of diesel is really ****ing me off too but there are days here in
the Med where there is no wind period. Full stop. Even with my new u-beaut
take-off-in-under-ten-knots sails we can't move. I've got too much to see
before I die to let time slip by.


Try a tour bus while becalmed in port. Stop polluting the air and oceans of
the world with diesel oil, diesel fumes, and diesel noise. Enjoy the down
time. Real sailors aren't in a hurry. That's motorhead mentality.

LOL---make sure to find an electric tour bus---you wouldn't want to be
the reason for even more diesel pollution!


Mark Borgerson