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Two kinds of cruising sailors . . .
On 9/10/2011 7:56 AM, Bruce wrote:
On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:46:28 -0400, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: "X ` wrote in message m... On 9/8/11 6:01 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote: There are two main kinds of cruising sailors. There's my kind of cruising sailor which is somebody like myself who cruises and has cruised for decades. This breed lives aboard, avoids marinas like the plague they are and has no other home. We are sensible, thrifty people who view our cruising boats as a boat first and a home second. This means not a lot of lubberly junk aboard and few troublesome systems. This means constantly keeping in mind that, "first she's a boat." This means no finicky women folk aboard except perhaps when we have company. This means reliability above all and ease of operation. This means sailing more than motoring. This means thrift, economy, fortitude, stamina, some hardship, manliness, independence and much more. It's all about taking charge and doing things in a trouble-free and unobtrusive manner. It means a voyage or a cruise that would be quite boring to report on in writing. This means not even wishing to report on it in writing because the satisfaction comes from the doing and not from the pretentious bragging or recounting of one senseless predicament after another. This is called the Capt. Neal philosophy of sailing. Then there's the Capt. Skippy philosophy which runs mostly counter to everything espoused by the good Capt. Neal. Skippy is a relative newcomer who lacks insight and experience and has had a long litany of full-of-trouble cruising fiascos up to and including severe damage to his hull from groundings. While Capt. Skippy does live aboard and has sold his home ashore, he still has not cut the umbilical cord because his wife's mother lives ashore and her house is their house when necessary. Skippy is almost as concerned with shore side birthday celebrations and weddings as anything else. This also means a woman and sometimes more than one woman aboard. (and a mother-in-law to boot, yuck!) This means probably an extra TWO TONs of useless lubberly crap that goes along with a woman and caters to a woman's fickle desires. This means more systems and more maintenance and less reliability and less sailing time. This means schedules and lots of motoring to meet schedules. This means great expense, cramped spaces, inefficiency, encumbrance, dependence and a willing, weak-spined, male attitude. It also indicates shared responsibility and delegating to an inferior sailor and betting your life on the fact that the inferiority won't put you under. It practically guarantees that every cruise or voyage will become a comedy of errors that any magazine would relish publishing to make modern sailors all appear a lot of fools. Poor Skippy! I've seen photos of your boat, Willy. It's the floating equivalent of a cardboard appliance box a homeless guy might sleep in in a city alley somewhere. Your trite rejoinder is a crass example of issue-avoidance typical of failed liberal types! It's nothing more than an extended ad hominem attack posted to avoid arguing the merits of my erudite observations due either to lack of experience, dearth of intellectual acumen, and/or a stubborn unwillingness to admit "if the shoe fits, wear it!" Wilbur Hubbard You have now posted the above twice - redundancy is proof of a feeble mind. Why should he waste new material on a washed out piece of progressive ****e? |
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Two kinds of cruising sailors . . .
"Bruce" wrote in message
... On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:33:46 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: snip My lifestyle is that of a true sailor - a regular Joshua Slocum type - while yours is that of a committe head organizer, a boat yard worker, a husband, a son-in-law, kennel keeper, day laborer, a wannabe journalist and socialite. Errr.... Old Josh went around the world in a boat he built himself...... somewhat different from one who publicizes his recent trip down the bay to anchor in a mangrove swamp; complete with photos too. Prior to that he built a boat in S. America and sailed it back to N. England. Nope, Willie-boy you've got a long way to go before you can call yourself a J.Slocum look alike. Willie-boy you've got a boat big enough to sail from S. America to N. England, but you haven't done it; you've got a boat big enough to sail across the Atlantic; but you haven't done it; you've got a boat big enough to sail round the world, but you haven't done it. All you have done is sail down the bay , bravely anchor for the night, and sail back. You even documented this with photos so everyone would know about this epic voyage. Certainly you must be aware that Skip, in his short career as a sailor has already sailed further then you have in your entire life. -- Cheers, Bruce Bruce must be in the advanced stages of Alzheimer's. He posted the above and then fifteen minutes later he forgot he posted it so he posted it again. Poor senile old Bloke! |
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Your personal environmental foot print is measured by how much money you go thru ,period. Using more than you need is environmentally irresponsible.
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Two kinds of cruising sailors . . .
Reluctantly (as I have plenty to do otherwise), I engage our local wit with
banter: "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message news.com... Wilbur, you know I like your satires. But, this one wasn't intended to be satire. It was intended to be educational to show the difference between what sailing once was and what it has degraded into of late. Ehhhh. Said by the guy who rarely leaves his hook... But at least get your facts straight before you stretch them. You certainly know that Lydia's mother lives in England. You may have missed, however, that she's visiting the son of her two dearest high school friends. Well, then who was it you two drove up and down the Interstate half a dozen times to visit or stay with or watch her house? Was up in Tennessee or Kentucky, wasn't it? Nice try, but good foggy recollections. We house-sat for one of our dearest friends, right down the road from where Lydia's rental (after she'd sold her house) was, while they were gallivanting around the world (by air) - and then went to Lydia's son's graduation from AFBT, then attended hers and my older older daughters' first births, as well as went from NGA to NH to attend my father's 85th birthday bash. Any time we're in US waters, we take the opportunity to visit family and friends. Kinda like visiting the locals when you're in foreign waters, which we also do... No connection whatsoever to her mom's flat in Manchester, Surrey UK... That's until we get on the boat, with her - at, perhaps, 87 years old, she having a birthday soon - aboard, to resume cruising. That's pretty old. You should be more considerate of her and celebrate her birthday in a nice air-conditioned hotel or resort. Heh. The house she's visiting is sort of resort-ish. With my father having just entered hospice (1-3 month ETD), we're not rushing this one (see below), either. There's an outside possibility that we'll celebrate it there. Otherwise, we'll spend it exploring a reef, or maybe at Nippers, as she dearly loves her grog. You also know that we don't do "schedules" - which is why we're still here in the yard - the schedule to be at Stranded Naked, the schedule to be out of the yard before hurricane season, and all the other "schedules" which might have been interesting to achieve. I'm talking about schedules while you are actually cruising like your rush from the Bahamas primarily so you could make some wedding that was scheduled in the U.S. Yes, indeed. So, we chose a perfect window many weeks in advance - hardly a "rush" from the Bahamas. Schedules with long lead times mean just choosing your perfect travel dates. An 8 knot AVERAGE (top 12.3) over the 480 miles showed we did reasonably well at that. Those sorts of determinations fix our travel plans - whether just to move to another island, or making passages. As to "Poor" me, I'm having the time of my life. Just goes to show you're way too easy to please. Being strapped with one or two ball-and-chain's is certainly not MY idea of having the time of my life. Nothing beats true freedom but I suppose you're too insecure to ever experience the freedom of going it alone. "Alone" is relative. I'm really sorry that you've not succeeded in finding a life partner, illusory web fantasies notwithstanding. I, indeed, have a winner. Lydia sands, puts on fiberglass, caulks, tapes (our latest activities), paints, varnishes, yada, yada, nearly everything other than engine maintenance, and loves doing it. We were talking with a new arrival (well, the boat's been here, but he just bought it), last night, whose wife will go for a max of a couple of weeks, and musing on how rare that symbiotic relationship is among cruisers. I'm blessed to have her, let alone be able to do what I'm doing, which is exactly what I'd like to do, rather than being tied to anything with other responsibilities, dress codes, and the like. The boat's in better nick than it's ever been during our ownership, and many very serious age-related (the boat, not mine!!) issues have been put to bed not only professionally but beautifully. Well, that's a worthwhile accomplishment, at least. Time spent bettering one's vessel is time well spent. Which is our philosophy, exactly. The work we're doing here should be last-time-addressed over our ownership. If you don't have the time to do it right, when are you going to have time to do it over (our first attempts - hers, too small a tape gap, and mine, the learning curve for my fairing tool - on the port inboard caulking excepted)?? Despite your caviling at our systems, they enable us to comfortably and knowledgeably voyage. Yes, you could do it (much more cautiously, of course) with a lead line, compass and a sextant, and hope you don't get surprised by a weather system, but we don't have to, all the way to our quadrafilic helical antenna, connected to a receiver with the proper crystals, fed to our sound card and interpreted by a program which converts REAL TIME weather satellite info to as many as 16 different presentations. If you're traveling waters you know intimately, and never extend beyond them (such as was the case when I lived on Lake Lanier), you don't need added gear. We rather enjoy our support systems, and the boat's big enough to support it without losing storage space. The fact that this is our only home (visits to friends and family - something else we're blessed with; I note there's never any commentary from you about such experiences - excepted) keeps us interested and engaged in keeping her in top nick, as well as improving her from time to time - sometimes with new or better gear... My apologies for not having gotten pictures of some of the latest up yet, but I'll get to that some time soon, now that the time pressure of dry weather (caulking) has passed... You did a half-assed job on the toe rail, dude. Unless and until you REMOVE it, scrape clean the bottom surface, check the fasteners that it covers and replace/reseal those that need it, then calk and refasten the toe rail so you have calk oozing out both both ways, you've not really accomplished anything more than some amateur cosmetic work. Heh. We effectively did that. We were aggressive enough with our cleanout that (as proved by, in some cases, our caulk coming through to the side which hadn't yet been done, due to the pressure that I was exerting on the nipple and gun trigger) that we have effectively rebed our toe rail - and, along the way, where it was accessible, rebed the hull-to-deck joint. We've had a couple of gulley-washers here recently which have proven our success. I hope you're having as much fun as we are, and will, also, continue in that vein as we again hit the high seas and continue our explorations. I don't lament others' lifestyles, but you're sorely tempting me :{)) My lifestyle is that of a true sailor - a regular Joshua Slocum type - while yours is that of a committe head organizer, a boat yard worker, a husband, a son-in-law, kennel keeper, day laborer, a wannabe journalist and socialite. True sailors don't spend their entire time of life, interspersed with a day or two elsewhere, on a hook or mooring. Joshua Slocum (a notable who I have no interest in emulating - as, apparently you don't, either, or you'd be off voyaging, and not here) spent next to no time on the hook in comparison to his travels, let alone building his own boat, in comparison to your voyaging history. BTW, I've enjoyed all the chatter essentially off topic, and have not responded until now to let it die down a bit... Admit it, you were struck dumb by the many valid points made that did not make you appear to be much of a sailor. LOL. ROFL - reread them to know that none of the above sentence applies. I'm off to the tool repair (under warranty) as I worked my Porter-Cable DA/RO sander to the point that the attaching receiver worked its way out of the bearing into which it had been pressed, the better to continue sanding on the fiberglass and fairing we're still doing. L8R Skip and crew -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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Two kinds of cruising sailors . . .
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:40:46 -0400, "Flying Pig"
wrote: Lydia sands, puts on fiberglass, caulks, tapes (our latest activities), paints, varnishes, yada, yada, nearly everything other than engine maintenance === Remind me to invite the two of you over for a visit when we get back to Florida. :-) |
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