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On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 11:04:24 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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Speaking about jokes.... a fictitious nobody, who's only claim to fame
is his defrauding of a store to obtain batteries, writing about a real
person?



So, I guess you're claiming I'm a computer program like in The Matrix?

Wilbur Hubbard

Nope willie-boy, not a computer program, a buffoon.


Cheers,

Bruce
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 11:07:47 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:28:34 -0400, Wayne B
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:45:05 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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So true. Why, just yesterday I was in a crossing situation with my
6-foot,
2HP motor dinghy having on her port bow a fifty-foot trawler. Did the
trawler do anything but stand on causing me to have to turn to port and
pass
astern to avoid a collision? Negative.

Was the trawler restricted in ability to maneuver?

Did you sound the danger signal?

Did you attempt to contact them in advance on VHF channel 13 or 16?

Admiralty Court would probably find you both liable in the event of a
collision, if only because it is fooliish to challenge a much larger
vessel for the right of way.


Perhaps the trawler guy knew who he was :-?
Cheers,

Bruce



It was probably Wayne B. Wouldn't surprise me if the Rube is pulling a
Donald Crowhurst act claiming to have sailed up to the North East while he
is still motoring up and down the Intracoastal Waterway in the Keys because
he's too frightened to sail open water.

Wilbur Hubbard

Speaking about "open water" when one's experience consists of solely
put-putting up and down the harbor?

Cheers,

Bruce
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 11:04:24 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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"Bruce" wrote in message
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Speaking about jokes.... a fictitious nobody, who's only claim to fame
is his defrauding of a store to obtain batteries, writing about a real
person?



So, I guess you're claiming I'm a computer program like in The Matrix?

Wilbur Hubbard

Nope willie-boy, not a computer program, a buffoon.

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You spelled 'studmuffin' wrong.


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On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 11:15:26 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:45:05 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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8.3.70...


Prime example of that great American idea... "everyone else is
responsible
for my irresponsibility" coupled with that other great American idea of
"deep pockets"


So true. Why, just yesterday I was in a crossing situation with my 6-foot,
2HP motor dinghy having on her port bow a fifty-foot trawler. Did the
trawler do anything but stand on causing me to have to turn to port and
pass
astern to avoid a collision? Negative. Probably well fewer than half the
people operating motorboats these days know or understand the simplest of
the Rules of the Road. It's a crying shame. And even sadder is the fact
that
they will litigate rather than admit they are in the wrong if and when
they
cause a collision.

Wilbur Hubbard

Ah willie-boy, but I see you are another of the great unwashed loudly
trumpeting "His Rights". I assume that you have firmly fixed in your
pointy little head all the rules of the roads and if in your tiny
little sailboat would demand that the Emma Maersk give way.

You stand a long way from reality.
Cheers,




Ah! I see you don't understand even the basics of the COLREG Rules of the
Road.

The meeting and crossing rules confer specific legal rights and duties of
all vessels involved when it comes to collision avoidance. Briefly, the
Rules that apply to a crossing situation state the vessels involved may not
deviate from following the Rules up to the point where following the Rules
would result in a close-quarters situation and possible collision. One is
only released from the obligations under the Rules when it is necessary to
take other actions to avoid a collision.

The primary duty of vessels meeting is to avoid a close quarters situation
by taking the proper action in plenty of time to avoid a close quarters
situation. That a vessel does not do so, as in the case of the trawler, is a
good indication that the helmsman thereof has his head up his ass - but this
should come as no surprise as that is the usual state of affairs respecting
motor boat helmsmen these days. Big bank accounts/small cranial capacity.

Wilbur Hubbard


Unfortunately you are wrong. While the rules of the road do describe
various situations and provide guide lines for who should do what,
they are not laws, per se.

In the instance you described why didn't you copy down the offending
vessel's particulars and report him to the Coast Guard? Had you would
they have trundled out and arrested him?No they wouldn't because no
law had been broken.

While you may argue about this it is fact that busy harbors all have
"harbor regulations" that are laws and you will be punished if you
break them. Run into the West bound traffic lane while heading East in
Singapore harbor and you will be stopped and you will be prosecuted in
Singapore courts and not a mention of the colregs. A few years ago
this did happen and a collision occurred and blame was apportioned and
the court never even mentioned colregs during discussions.

As usual willie-boy you are wrong.

Cheers,

Bruce
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 14:08:32 -0400, WaIIy wrote:

On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 19:14:58 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 15:45:05 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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So true. Why, just yesterday I was in a crossing situation with my 6-foot,
2HP motor dinghy having on her port bow a fifty-foot trawler. Did the
trawler do anything but stand on causing me to have to turn to port and
pass
astern to avoid a collision? Negative.

Was the trawler restricted in ability to maneuver?


Negative. He was proceeding through the harbor and was not showing RAM
shaped. Water depths were adequate.


Did you sound the danger signal?


Negative, that would probably have just freaked him out. And, a dinghy is
only required to carry a whistle which he probably couldn't hear anyway.


Did you attempt to contact them in advance on VHF channel 13 or 16?


A VHF in a 6-foot dinghy? C'mon, get serious.

Admiralty Court would probably find you both liable in the event of a
collision, if only because it is fooliish to challenge a much larger
vessel for the right of way.


That's why I took action in time to avoid a collision by turning to port and
passing astern of him though the Rules say not to turn to port. I knew he
didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground and was going to continue to
stand on because his was the larger vessel. Do you wonder why you motor
boaters don't merit much respect?

Wilbur Hubbard




Weren't YOU in a motorboat ? LOL



Ah, but you obviously don't understand - he is Willie the boy wonder
and is never wrong. Therefore the world is expected to stop and gaze
in wonder when he passes by.

Cheers,

Bruce


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On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 14:37:45 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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"CaveLamb" wrote in message
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Joe wrote:
Here is some interesting news that you need to know.

Captain vs Operator responsibility.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...04&#post823285


Joe posted a link to an interesting article directly related to boating,
and it immediately becomes a ****ing match with Wili.



Have you examined the cause of situation? I replied to Joe's post making a
very valid point which is a paraphrase of the old saw that says, "Those who
can, do; those who cannot, teach." Rather than address that very valid
point, my detractors attacked me personally with one ad hominem after
another.


By God Willie, you've hit the nail on the head, "those who can do and
those who can't talk about it".

One can only assume that you are one of the latter as you talk about
it incessantly.


Unfortunately, some folks then blame me for some sort of intentional
misdirect when I had nothing to do with how those other Rubes reacted to my
post by derailing the thread.

Wilbur Hubbard

Cheers,

Bruce
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 17:15:43 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"CaveLamb" wrote in message
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Joe wrote:
Here is some interesting news that you need to know.

Captain vs Operator responsibility.

http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com...04&#post823285
Joe posted a link to an interesting article directly related to boating,
and it immediately becomes a ****ing match with Wili.



Have you examined the cause of situation? I replied to Joe's post making
a very valid point which is a paraphrase of the old saw that says, "Those
who can, do; those who cannot, teach." Rather than address that very
valid point, my detractors attacked me personally with one ad hominem
after another.

Unfortunately, some folks then blame me for some sort of intentional
misdirect when I had nothing to do with how those other Rubes reacted to
my post by derailing the thread.


Yeah.

The cause of the situation is YOU.



So, the responsibility lies with me with respect to how others respond to
me?

Ludicrous!


Wilbur Hubbard

Of course you are wrong again - damn but it is getting to be a habit,
isn't it?

You act like a horse's ass and amazingly you get treated as a horse's
ass. Are you saying that it isn't your fault that you act like a
horse's ass? That the devil made you do it?

As your momma probably should have taught you - you make your bed and
you lay in it.

Cheers,

Bruce
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:25:24 +0700, Bruce
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You act like a horse's ass and amazingly you get treated as a horse's
ass. Are you saying that it isn't your fault that you act like a
horse's ass? That the devil made you do it?


Wilbur is one of those individuals who is starved for attention so he
trolls and insults on Usenet to get a conversation started.

Sick? Of course. Best to ignore and not feed the trolls.

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Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:25:24 +0700, Bruce
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You act like a horse's ass and amazingly you get treated as a horse's
ass. Are you saying that it isn't your fault that you act like a
horse's ass? That the devil made you do it?


Wilbur is one of those individuals who is starved for attention so he
trolls and insults on Usenet to get a conversation started.

Sick? Of course. Best to ignore and not feed the trolls.


Wayne, if you, and the rest, would take your advice we wouldn't have this problem...

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On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 03:48:07 -0500, CaveLamb
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Wayne B wrote:
On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:25:24 +0700, Bruce
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You act like a horse's ass and amazingly you get treated as a horse's
ass. Are you saying that it isn't your fault that you act like a
horse's ass? That the devil made you do it?


Wilbur is one of those individuals who is starved for attention so he
trolls and insults on Usenet to get a conversation started.

Sick? Of course. Best to ignore and not feed the trolls.


Wayne, if you, and the rest, would take your advice we wouldn't have this problem...



O.K., we'll see how well it works - but you gotta convince Joe :-)

Cheers,

Bruce
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