On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:32:32 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
Fact: It takes a pressure gradient on a membrane in order for osmosis to
occur.

Fact: A blistered bottom is the result of untold hours of this pressure
gradient. Sometimes it takes years of submersion which creates the pressure
gradient for blisters to occur. Osmosis is a relatively slow process when
pressure differentials on either side of a membrane are not great.

Fact: Spraying the blistered bottom repeatedly with fresh water does NOT
create osmosis as there is no pressure gradient.

Fact: No pressure gradient = no osmosis = surface wetness only = no
penetration into soggy laminate.

Fact: No penetration = wishful thinking and NO effect upon reducing the
moisture in the soggy laminate that combines with layup chemicals.


Now, to the crux of the matter which is how to remove the moisture from the
laminate before coating the bottom with an impermeable 'barrier coat.'

There is only one way to accomplish this drying process and that is not by
osmosis but by diffusion through the membrane and evaporation of the
moisture at the surface of the membrane. This process involves storing the
soggy layup in a low-humidity environment for a year or two so diffusion and
evaporation can occur and the hull can be tested with a moisture meter until
it reaches acceptable levels.

I welcome any rational, enlightened explanation of how spraying the hull
with water can possibly negate or supersede the above facts.


Wilbur Hubbard




The best way to avoid the osmotic problem is not to buy a used boat that
has it, and to carefully research its appearance in brand names of new
boats.

I loved how those selling boats and boat brokers used to say, and
perhaps still say, "it's just osmotic blistering' it's not a big deal."
Bull****.

Oh...balsa deck underlay. No thanks.

Is that what is wrong with Willie-boy? He's got a balsa core and it's
gone all soggy?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:32:32 -0400,
wrote:

Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
Fact: It takes a pressure gradient on a membrane in order for osmosis to
occur.

Fact: A blistered bottom is the result of untold hours of this pressure
gradient. Sometimes it takes years of submersion which creates the pressure
gradient for blisters to occur. Osmosis is a relatively slow process when
pressure differentials on either side of a membrane are not great.

Fact: Spraying the blistered bottom repeatedly with fresh water does NOT
create osmosis as there is no pressure gradient.

Fact: No pressure gradient = no osmosis = surface wetness only = no
penetration into soggy laminate.

Fact: No penetration = wishful thinking and NO effect upon reducing the
moisture in the soggy laminate that combines with layup chemicals.


Now, to the crux of the matter which is how to remove the moisture from the
laminate before coating the bottom with an impermeable 'barrier coat.'

There is only one way to accomplish this drying process and that is not by
osmosis but by diffusion through the membrane and evaporation of the
moisture at the surface of the membrane. This process involves storing the
soggy layup in a low-humidity environment for a year or two so diffusion and
evaporation can occur and the hull can be tested with a moisture meter until
it reaches acceptable levels.

I welcome any rational, enlightened explanation of how spraying the hull
with water can possibly negate or supersede the above facts.


Wilbur Hubbard



The best way to avoid the osmotic problem is not to buy a used boat that
has it, and to carefully research its appearance in brand names of new
boats.

I loved how those selling boats and boat brokers used to say, and
perhaps still say, "it's just osmotic blistering' it's not a big deal."
Bull****.

Oh...balsa deck underlay. No thanks.

Is that what is wrong with Willie-boy? He's got a balsa core and it's
gone all soggy?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Perhaps.

I'm amazed balsa is still being used as a coring material in new boats,
even expensive new boats.

On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 07:38:56 -0400, Harryk
wrote:

Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:32:32 -0400,
wrote:

Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
Fact: It takes a pressure gradient on a membrane in order for osmosis to
occur.

Fact: A blistered bottom is the result of untold hours of this pressure
gradient. Sometimes it takes years of submersion which creates the pressure
gradient for blisters to occur. Osmosis is a relatively slow process when
pressure differentials on either side of a membrane are not great.

Fact: Spraying the blistered bottom repeatedly with fresh water does NOT
create osmosis as there is no pressure gradient.

Fact: No pressure gradient = no osmosis = surface wetness only = no
penetration into soggy laminate.

Fact: No penetration = wishful thinking and NO effect upon reducing the
moisture in the soggy laminate that combines with layup chemicals.


Now, to the crux of the matter which is how to remove the moisture from the
laminate before coating the bottom with an impermeable 'barrier coat.'

There is only one way to accomplish this drying process and that is not by
osmosis but by diffusion through the membrane and evaporation of the
moisture at the surface of the membrane. This process involves storing the
soggy layup in a low-humidity environment for a year or two so diffusion and
evaporation can occur and the hull can be tested with a moisture meter until
it reaches acceptable levels.

I welcome any rational, enlightened explanation of how spraying the hull
with water can possibly negate or supersede the above facts.


Wilbur Hubbard



The best way to avoid the osmotic problem is not to buy a used boat that
has it, and to carefully research its appearance in brand names of new
boats.

I loved how those selling boats and boat brokers used to say, and
perhaps still say, "it's just osmotic blistering' it's not a big deal."
Bull****.

Oh...balsa deck underlay. No thanks.

Is that what is wrong with Willie-boy? He's got a balsa core and it's
gone all soggy?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Perhaps.

I'm amazed balsa is still being used as a coring material in new boats,
even expensive new boats.

Cheap.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)