On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:19:55 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:38:06 -0700, Mark Borgerson
wrote:

However, part of the problem in that conversion is that you can
get a 36' sailboat in decent condition for about half the cost
of a 36' trawler.

Considering that the trawler probably has more than twice as much
livable space and a lot more comfortable, not such a bad deal. :-)




It's a bad deal for the environment as marine diesel engines are notorious
for the huge amounts of air pollution they spew. And, they drip oil and fuel
and foul the bilges which foul bilge water and fuel dregs are then pumped
into the water.

I never could understand how anybody in their right mind could be justified
in thinking that their fun takes precedence over folks who wish to breathe
clean air. It's such a me me me, selfish attitude. It reeks of elitism and
hypocrisy.

Really, it's no different than Al Gore flying all over the glove in his
private jet then complaining about how much pollution and CO2 other people
are responsible for.

Yah, right!


Wilbur Hubbard


I don't either... all that smell.. yuk!

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:19:55 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:38:06 -0700, Mark Borgerson
wrote:

However, part of the problem in that conversion is that you can
get a 36' sailboat in decent condition for about half the cost
of a 36' trawler.

Considering that the trawler probably has more than twice as much
livable space and a lot more comfortable, not such a bad deal. :-)




It's a bad deal for the environment as marine diesel engines are notorious
for the huge amounts of air pollution they spew. And, they drip oil and
fuel
and foul the bilges which foul bilge water and fuel dregs are then pumped
into the water.

I never could understand how anybody in their right mind could be
justified
in thinking that their fun takes precedence over folks who wish to breathe
clean air. It's such a me me me, selfish attitude. It reeks of elitism and
hypocrisy.

Really, it's no different than Al Gore flying all over the glove in his
private jet then complaining about how much pollution and CO2 other people
are responsible for.

Yah, right!


Wilbur Hubbard


I don't either... all that smell.. yuk!


Motor-head boaters seem to become immune to their own noise and air
pollution. I guess they smell the exhaust fumes and hear the cacophony so
often and so long that their sense of smell and their hearing modifies so
they can't smell or hear it anymore.

Why else would some of them be so rude as to arrive in an anchorage and
anchor UPWIND of everybody and then run a smelly diesel generator all day
and all night just so they can have plenty of electricity for all the
household crap they have on board. I just wish people like that would STAY
home. What's the use of sailing when you float the farm, so to speak? You
ruin the experience for most of the other travelers and are too selfish to
understand what you're doing?

Take an example a lubber might understand. A lubber goes to a campground in
a State Park and sets up his little tent in the woods and hopes to have a
good time cooking over the campfire, perhaps catching a fish in the stream
and enjoying the ambience. And, along comes a giant motor home that parks
right upwind from his campsite, blocks most of the view, runs a smelly,
noisy generator all night long, plays loud music, has a couple of dogs that
bark all night, throws his trash and cigarette butts all over the place,
empties his holding tank on the ground, disgorges a couple of motorbikes and
blasts them, without mufflers, through the woods around and around for hours
(equivalent to a jet-ski) etc. Would the tent camper want to shoot the
inconsiderate *******? You bet he would. Yet motor boaters and some of the
larger sail boaters seem to think this sort of crap is cool and other
boaters will envy them and enjoy their presence. Freaking LUNATICS!

Wilbur Hubbard

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:20:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:19:55 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:38:06 -0700, Mark Borgerson
wrote:

However, part of the problem in that conversion is that you can
get a 36' sailboat in decent condition for about half the cost
of a 36' trawler.

Considering that the trawler probably has more than twice as much
livable space and a lot more comfortable, not such a bad deal. :-)




It's a bad deal for the environment as marine diesel engines are notorious
for the huge amounts of air pollution they spew. And, they drip oil and
fuel
and foul the bilges which foul bilge water and fuel dregs are then pumped
into the water.

I never could understand how anybody in their right mind could be
justified
in thinking that their fun takes precedence over folks who wish to breathe
clean air. It's such a me me me, selfish attitude. It reeks of elitism and
hypocrisy.

Really, it's no different than Al Gore flying all over the glove in his
private jet then complaining about how much pollution and CO2 other people
are responsible for.

Yah, right!


Wilbur Hubbard


I don't either... all that smell.. yuk!


Motor-head boaters seem to become immune to their own noise and air
pollution. I guess they smell the exhaust fumes and hear the cacophony so
often and so long that their sense of smell and their hearing modifies so
they can't smell or hear it anymore.

Why else would some of them be so rude as to arrive in an anchorage and
anchor UPWIND of everybody and then run a smelly diesel generator all day
and all night just so they can have plenty of electricity for all the
household crap they have on board. I just wish people like that would STAY
home. What's the use of sailing when you float the farm, so to speak? You
ruin the experience for most of the other travelers and are too selfish to
understand what you're doing?

I'm hoping that if (when?) we work out the details, you wouldn't let
that happen to us!

Take an example a lubber might understand. A lubber goes to a campground in
a State Park and sets up his little tent in the woods and hopes to have a
good time cooking over the campfire, perhaps catching a fish in the stream
and enjoying the ambience. And, along comes a giant motor home that parks
right upwind from his campsite, blocks most of the view, runs a smelly,
noisy generator all night long, plays loud music, has a couple of dogs that
bark all night, throws his trash and cigarette butts all over the place,
empties his holding tank on the ground, disgorges a couple of motorbikes and
blasts them, without mufflers, through the woods around and around for hours
(equivalent to a jet-ski) etc. Would the tent camper want to shoot the
inconsiderate *******? You bet he would. Yet motor boaters and some of the
larger sail boaters seem to think this sort of crap is cool and other
boaters will envy them and enjoy their presence. Freaking LUNATICS!

Wilbur Hubbard


Oh... land lubber. Ok... confused me for a minute.

Exactly though... pick up your sh*t. I mean HELLO?

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:20:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
snip


Motor-head boaters seem to become immune to their own noise and air
pollution. I guess they smell the exhaust fumes and hear the cacophony so
often and so long that their sense of smell and their hearing modifies so
they can't smell or hear it anymore.

Why else would some of them be so rude as to arrive in an anchorage and
anchor UPWIND of everybody and then run a smelly diesel generator all day
and all night just so they can have plenty of electricity for all the
household crap they have on board. I just wish people like that would STAY
home. What's the use of sailing when you float the farm, so to speak? You
ruin the experience for most of the other travelers and are too selfish to
understand what you're doing?

I'm hoping that if (when?) we work out the details, you wouldn't let
that happen to us!

Rest assured, I will find us a nice quiet anchorage all of our own with no
motorboats within miles. I got your email that you will be working on
details later on when things become more concrete.


Take an example a lubber might understand. A lubber goes to a campground
in
a State Park and sets up his little tent in the woods and hopes to have a
good time cooking over the campfire, perhaps catching a fish in the stream
and enjoying the ambience. And, along comes a giant motor home that parks
right upwind from his campsite, blocks most of the view, runs a smelly,
noisy generator all night long, plays loud music, has a couple of dogs
that
bark all night, throws his trash and cigarette butts all over the place,
empties his holding tank on the ground, disgorges a couple of motorbikes
and
blasts them, without mufflers, through the woods around and around for
hours
(equivalent to a jet-ski) etc. Would the tent camper want to shoot the
inconsiderate *******? You bet he would. Yet motor boaters and some of the
larger sail boaters seem to think this sort of crap is cool and other
boaters will envy them and enjoy their presence. Freaking LUNATICS!

Wilbur Hubbard


Oh... land lubber. Ok... confused me for a minute.

Exactly though... pick up your sh*t. I mean HELLO?


Yup, land lubbers are mostly what one sees these days out here on the water.
They are like cockroaches - you can't stamp them out. I just wish they would
stay ashore where they belong. They have no respect for anything. They use
the water as their 'getaway' and they think their 'fun' comes first over the
RIGHTS of others. Such a selfish attitude and totally out of place on the
water.

Here is a good example for you of just how awful some of these jerks really
are. Two fishermen were arrested a few months ago for cutting the pouch of a
couple of pelicans because they claimed the pelicans were eating *their*
fish. Duh. I would say the fishermen where catching and eating the pelican's
fish. A cut pouch causes the pelican to slowly starve to death because when
they dive on a fish the pouch doesn't contain it. The fish escapes out the
slit in the pouch. Maybe the fishermen are the ones who needed their
throats cut.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:20:47 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:20:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
snip


Motor-head boaters seem to become immune to their own noise and air
pollution. I guess they smell the exhaust fumes and hear the cacophony so
often and so long that their sense of smell and their hearing modifies so
they can't smell or hear it anymore.

Why else would some of them be so rude as to arrive in an anchorage and
anchor UPWIND of everybody and then run a smelly diesel generator all day
and all night just so they can have plenty of electricity for all the
household crap they have on board. I just wish people like that would STAY
home. What's the use of sailing when you float the farm, so to speak? You
ruin the experience for most of the other travelers and are too selfish to
understand what you're doing?

I'm hoping that if (when?) we work out the details, you wouldn't let
that happen to us!

Rest assured, I will find us a nice quiet anchorage all of our own with no
motorboats within miles. I got your email that you will be working on
details later on when things become more concrete.

As my brother would say, "Bitchin!" :-)

Neither of us are interested in motor smell. I'm going to email you
later hopefullly with some more details.



Take an example a lubber might understand. A lubber goes to a campground
in
a State Park and sets up his little tent in the woods and hopes to have a
good time cooking over the campfire, perhaps catching a fish in the stream
and enjoying the ambience. And, along comes a giant motor home that parks
right upwind from his campsite, blocks most of the view, runs a smelly,
noisy generator all night long, plays loud music, has a couple of dogs
that
bark all night, throws his trash and cigarette butts all over the place,
empties his holding tank on the ground, disgorges a couple of motorbikes
and
blasts them, without mufflers, through the woods around and around for
hours
(equivalent to a jet-ski) etc. Would the tent camper want to shoot the
inconsiderate *******? You bet he would. Yet motor boaters and some of the
larger sail boaters seem to think this sort of crap is cool and other
boaters will envy them and enjoy their presence. Freaking LUNATICS!

Wilbur Hubbard


Oh... land lubber. Ok... confused me for a minute.

Exactly though... pick up your sh*t. I mean HELLO?


Yup, land lubbers are mostly what one sees these days out here on the water.
They are like cockroaches - you can't stamp them out. I just wish they would
stay ashore where they belong. They have no respect for anything. They use
the water as their 'getaway' and they think their 'fun' comes first over the
RIGHTS of others. Such a selfish attitude and totally out of place on the
water.

Here is a good example for you of just how awful some of these jerks really
are. Two fishermen were arrested a few months ago for cutting the pouch of a
couple of pelicans because they claimed the pelicans were eating *their*
fish. Duh. I would say the fishermen where catching and eating the pelican's
fish. A cut pouch causes the pelican to slowly starve to death because when
they dive on a fish the pouch doesn't contain it. The fish escapes out the
slit in the pouch. Maybe the fishermen are the ones who needed their
throats cut.

Wilbur Hubbard



I don't see how anyone could be so cruel. That's really a sad story.

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:20:47 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:20:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
snip


Motor-head boaters seem to become immune to their own noise and air
pollution. I guess they smell the exhaust fumes and hear the cacophony
so
often and so long that their sense of smell and their hearing modifies
so
they can't smell or hear it anymore.

Why else would some of them be so rude as to arrive in an anchorage and
anchor UPWIND of everybody and then run a smelly diesel generator all
day
and all night just so they can have plenty of electricity for all the
household crap they have on board. I just wish people like that would
STAY
home. What's the use of sailing when you float the farm, so to speak?
You
ruin the experience for most of the other travelers and are too selfish
to
understand what you're doing?

I'm hoping that if (when?) we work out the details, you wouldn't let
that happen to us!

Rest assured, I will find us a nice quiet anchorage all of our own with no
motorboats within miles. I got your email that you will be working on
details later on when things become more concrete.

As my brother would say, "Bitchin!" :-)

Neither of us are interested in motor smell. I'm going to email you
later hopefullly with some more details.


JMB just e-mailed me. She sounds like an organized person and a go-getter. I
CC'd you my reply to her. Things are looking good. She's got some firm dates
in mind so check your inbox. Sounds like she's planning to rent a car at the
airport so you two should coordinate your flights if you can so you can ride
together. It sure would save me time going back and forth twice to the
airport. In exchange I've offered to get you guys a room while you're here
so you can have all the luxuries you're used to and a safe place for your
luggage. Sounds like a deal to me. ;-)



snippage



Yup, land lubbers are mostly what one sees these days out here on the
water.
They are like cockroaches - you can't stamp them out. I just wish they
would
stay ashore where they belong. They have no respect for anything. They
use
the water as their 'getaway' and they think their 'fun' comes first over
the
RIGHTS of others. Such a selfish attitude and totally out of place on the
water.

Here is a good example for you of just how awful some of these jerks
really
are. Two fishermen were arrested a few months ago for cutting the pouch of
a
couple of pelicans because they claimed the pelicans were eating *their*
fish. Duh. I would say the fishermen where catching and eating the
pelican's
fish. A cut pouch causes the pelican to slowly starve to death because
when
they dive on a fish the pouch doesn't contain it. The fish escapes out the
slit in the pouch. Maybe the fishermen are the ones who needed their
throats cut.


I don't see how anyone could be so cruel. That's really a sad story.


Some humans are, I swear, sub-human. Even the animals they abuse are more
evolved.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:59:22 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:20:47 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:20:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
snip


Motor-head boaters seem to become immune to their own noise and air
pollution. I guess they smell the exhaust fumes and hear the cacophony
so
often and so long that their sense of smell and their hearing modifies
so
they can't smell or hear it anymore.

Why else would some of them be so rude as to arrive in an anchorage and
anchor UPWIND of everybody and then run a smelly diesel generator all
day
and all night just so they can have plenty of electricity for all the
household crap they have on board. I just wish people like that would
STAY
home. What's the use of sailing when you float the farm, so to speak?
You
ruin the experience for most of the other travelers and are too selfish
to
understand what you're doing?

I'm hoping that if (when?) we work out the details, you wouldn't let
that happen to us!

Rest assured, I will find us a nice quiet anchorage all of our own with no
motorboats within miles. I got your email that you will be working on
details later on when things become more concrete.

As my brother would say, "Bitchin!" :-)

Neither of us are interested in motor smell. I'm going to email you
later hopefullly with some more details.


JMB just e-mailed me. She sounds like an organized person and a go-getter. I
CC'd you my reply to her. Things are looking good. She's got some firm dates
in mind so check your inbox. Sounds like she's planning to rent a car at the
airport so you two should coordinate your flights if you can so you can ride
together. It sure would save me time going back and forth twice to the
airport. In exchange I've offered to get you guys a room while you're here
so you can have all the luxuries you're used to and a safe place for your
luggage. Sounds like a deal to me. ;-)

You're an EXCELLENT person!

I promise to be better about email and such. I've just been swamped
with job and personal stuff.



Yup, land lubbers are mostly what one sees these days out here on the
water.
They are like cockroaches - you can't stamp them out. I just wish they
would
stay ashore where they belong. They have no respect for anything. They
use
the water as their 'getaway' and they think their 'fun' comes first over
the
RIGHTS of others. Such a selfish attitude and totally out of place on the
water.

Here is a good example for you of just how awful some of these jerks
really
are. Two fishermen were arrested a few months ago for cutting the pouch of
a
couple of pelicans because they claimed the pelicans were eating *their*
fish. Duh. I would say the fishermen where catching and eating the
pelican's
fish. A cut pouch causes the pelican to slowly starve to death because
when
they dive on a fish the pouch doesn't contain it. The fish escapes out the
slit in the pouch. Maybe the fishermen are the ones who needed their
throats cut.


I don't see how anyone could be so cruel. That's really a sad story.


Some humans are, I swear, sub-human. Even the animals they abuse are more
evolved.

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:20:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Jessica B" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:19:55 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:38:06 -0700, Mark Borgerson
wrote:

However, part of the problem in that conversion is that you can
get a 36' sailboat in decent condition for about half the cost
of a 36' trawler.

Considering that the trawler probably has more than twice as much
livable space and a lot more comfortable, not such a bad deal. :-)




It's a bad deal for the environment as marine diesel engines are notorious
for the huge amounts of air pollution they spew. And, they drip oil and
fuel
and foul the bilges which foul bilge water and fuel dregs are then pumped
into the water.

I never could understand how anybody in their right mind could be
justified
in thinking that their fun takes precedence over folks who wish to breathe
clean air. It's such a me me me, selfish attitude. It reeks of elitism and
hypocrisy.

Really, it's no different than Al Gore flying all over the glove in his
private jet then complaining about how much pollution and CO2 other people
are responsible for.

Yah, right!


Wilbur Hubbard


I don't either... all that smell.. yuk!


Motor-head boaters seem to become immune to their own noise and air
pollution. I guess they smell the exhaust fumes and hear the cacophony so
often and so long that their sense of smell and their hearing modifies so
they can't smell or hear it anymore.

Why else would some of them be so rude as to arrive in an anchorage and
anchor UPWIND of everybody and then run a smelly diesel generator all day
and all night just so they can have plenty of electricity for all the
household crap they have on board. I just wish people like that would STAY
home. What's the use of sailing when you float the farm, so to speak? You
ruin the experience for most of the other travelers and are too selfish to
understand what you're doing?

Take an example a lubber might understand. A lubber goes to a campground in
a State Park and sets up his little tent in the woods and hopes to have a
good time cooking over the campfire, perhaps catching a fish in the stream
and enjoying the ambience. And, along comes a giant motor home that parks
right upwind from his campsite, blocks most of the view, runs a smelly,
noisy generator all night long, plays loud music, has a couple of dogs that
bark all night, throws his trash and cigarette butts all over the place,
empties his holding tank on the ground, disgorges a couple of motorbikes and
blasts them, without mufflers, through the woods around and around for hours
(equivalent to a jet-ski) etc. Would the tent camper want to shoot the
inconsiderate *******? You bet he would. Yet motor boaters and some of the
larger sail boaters seem to think this sort of crap is cool and other
boaters will envy them and enjoy their presence. Freaking LUNATICS!

Wilbur Hubbard

Oh Willie-boy, such an exciting description, but I thought this was a
cruising group... Oh,I see. One who doesn't sail can't be a cruiser
and is left little choice but to describe his shore side experiences.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
...
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Oh Willie-boy, such an exciting description, but I thought this was a
cruising group... Oh,I see. One who doesn't sail can't be a cruiser
and is left little choice but to describe his shore side experiences.


Like when you bore us with descriptions of your wife, children and
grandchildren, Grandpa?

ROFLOL!


Wilbur Hubbard

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:16:36 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
.. .
snip


Oh Willie-boy, such an exciting description, but I thought this was a
cruising group... Oh,I see. One who doesn't sail can't be a cruiser
and is left little choice but to describe his shore side experiences.


Like when you bore us with descriptions of your wife, children and
grandchildren, Grandpa?

ROFLOL!


Wilbur Hubbard

Nice one Willie-boy, but again you exhibit your ignorance as I have
never described my wife, children or grand kids.

Must be like the Thai Sticks and Phoney, an American affection, as I
have only mentioned my family in passing, no description or details at
all..

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)