On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:43:14 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
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A nice concise description.... But how would you know?

Oh, yes, I remember, you read it in a book.

Cheers,

Bruce



I've sailed in the Gulf Stream many more times than you have. I know of
which I type. One must sail there in order to understand the conditions
there.

Wilbur Hubbard


Willie-boy you are trying to pull our leg, aren't you. After all, when
you recently made your epic voyage down the bay, to escape the big
band sound, you immediately announced your achievement and even
documented it with pictures. Had you actually gone somewhere with your
little yellow boat you'd have been shouting to the heavens, "LOOK AT
ME! LOOK AT ME! I'M SAILING, MA!"

No, Willie-boy, you ain't never sailed in the Gulf Stream, or anywhere
else. Except for the great bay odyssey.
Cheers,

Bruce

rOn Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:58:47 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Flying Pig" wrote in message
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

You know nothing about sailing.

The wind was from the east. It follows, then, that Skippy was reaching
while headed north.

There is a northerly set to the current in the Gulf Stream which would
tend to skew the east wind-driven seas somewhat so they have a slant
towards the south west.

If Skippy had angled towards the inlet instead of squaring it off like a
newbie rube, the Flying Pig would have experienced nice broad-reaching
winds and the fastest point of sail. The seas would have been somewhat on
the starboard quarter - also not an uncomfortable direction under a press
of sail which keeps rolling to a minimum.

Now, run along, you bother me . . . Come back when you become informed.


Wilbur Hubbard


Heh...

First, you're ALMOST right. The wind was from ~080-100T.

Well, if that isn't a wind from the east then I'm the boogey man.

You totally neglected that forward motion doesn't move the apparent wind
aft, it moves it forward.

If you have a 20 knot wind out of the east and you are proceeding north and
you are making ten knots towards the north then you will have an apparent
wind of 45 degrees. I said nothing about the apparent wind going aft. I did
say you were on a reach. 45 degrees is defined as a 'close reach' the last
time I looked.

When you're doing 10 knots in still air, you get 10 knots of wind on your
nose, e.g. When there's 20 or so coming from the side, that makes for 25
or so from forward of the true wind at 10+ knots of boat speed. That's
why, if you look at our track we were slightly west of north COG, in order
to minimize the forward angle of the apparent wind

I explained it above more competently and less lubberly than you just did.
The course I saw from a little south of Biscayne Bay on up towards Ft.
Lauderdale appeared to me to be due north.

Second, you're also ALMOST right. The stream (or, maybe, and/or tide, as
the NOAA folks said the west wall was 19 miles offshore, more than we were
at the time)

Wrong! I can measure miles off on the Google map displayed and you were
right in the Stream. You had a northerly set of at least 3 knots and you
don't get that unless you are experiencing the Gulf Stream current. Those
'wall' predictions are often wildly inaccurate. The wall is not a static
entity - it shifts to and frow quite quickly at times and it develops eddies
and loops.

motion at the time made it necessary for me to turn south in order to keep
the COG due west,


Well, duh! As I said you were experiencing about a three-knot northly set
because of the Gulf Stream current. Of course you would have to fudge some
southerly direction in there in order make progress due west. That's all the
more of a display of stupidity to make a 90 degree turn when you should have
angled over to the inlet and saved yourself time, distance and embarrassment
from those of who know how to plot a course when a current is involved.

as it wanted to push the boat north. So, while the boat's moving north in
a dead downwind COG mode, it creates the effect of bringing the wind
forward from the stern, and thus my apparent wind at 120-150 port...

Wrong. When you are going due west in a wind from the east you will
experience an apparent wind directly from astern. If you have to crab
somewhat south to offset the northerly set then the apparent wind will be
off the port quarter, just like I said.



Gott im Himmel! I wasn't even out there and I know what was happening better
than you do. You should be ashamed of yourself, d00d!


Wilbur Hubbard

Exactly, Willie-boy. You weren't there, but you think you know what
you are talking about......

As someone said, a spoon does not know the taste of soup, nor a
learned fool the taste of wisdom. ...

Cheers,

Bruce

"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:43:14 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
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A nice concise description.... But how would you know?

Oh, yes, I remember, you read it in a book.

Cheers,

Bruce



I've sailed in the Gulf Stream many more times than you have. I know of
which I type. One must sail there in order to understand the conditions
there.

Wilbur Hubbard


Willie-boy you are trying to pull our leg, aren't you. After all, when
you recently made your epic voyage down the bay, to escape the big
band sound, you immediately announced your achievement and even
documented it with pictures. Had you actually gone somewhere with your
little yellow boat you'd have been shouting to the heavens, "LOOK AT
ME! LOOK AT ME! I'M SAILING, MA!"

No, Willie-boy, you ain't never sailed in the Gulf Stream, or anywhere
else. Except for the great bay odyssey.
Cheers,


Poor Bruce is wrong again. Just click on the following link to become aware
of your uttermost folly.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0065365399306#


Wilbur Hubbard

On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:34:01 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:43:14 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
snip


A nice concise description.... But how would you know?

Oh, yes, I remember, you read it in a book.

Cheers,

Bruce



I've sailed in the Gulf Stream many more times than you have. I know of
which I type. One must sail there in order to understand the conditions
there.

Wilbur Hubbard


Willie-boy you are trying to pull our leg, aren't you. After all, when
you recently made your epic voyage down the bay, to escape the big
band sound, you immediately announced your achievement and even
documented it with pictures. Had you actually gone somewhere with your
little yellow boat you'd have been shouting to the heavens, "LOOK AT
ME! LOOK AT ME! I'M SAILING, MA!"

No, Willie-boy, you ain't never sailed in the Gulf Stream, or anywhere
else. Except for the great bay odyssey.
Cheers,


Poor Bruce is wrong again. Just click on the following link to become aware
of your uttermost folly.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0065365399306#


Wilbur Hubbard


You must be joking. You reference a film showing a forward view from a
boat sailing somewhere. No reference, no views of the Captain, no view
of the crew. The most exciting thing that happened was the jib
backwinding for a moment.

And then you claim that this is proof that you went sailing?

To coin a phrase... Bull****!

Willie, your certainly are pilling it higher and wider.
Cheers,

Bruce

"WaIIy" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:34:01 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:43:14 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
m...
snip


A nice concise description.... But how would you know?

Oh, yes, I remember, you read it in a book.

Cheers,

Bruce



I've sailed in the Gulf Stream many more times than you have. I know of
which I type. One must sail there in order to understand the conditions
there.

Wilbur Hubbard


Willie-boy you are trying to pull our leg, aren't you. After all, when
you recently made your epic voyage down the bay, to escape the big
band sound, you immediately announced your achievement and even
documented it with pictures. Had you actually gone somewhere with your
little yellow boat you'd have been shouting to the heavens, "LOOK AT
ME! LOOK AT ME! I'M SAILING, MA!"

No, Willie-boy, you ain't never sailed in the Gulf Stream, or anywhere
else. Except for the great bay odyssey.
Cheers,


Poor Bruce is wrong again. Just click on the following link to become
aware
of your uttermost folly.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0065365399306#


Wilbur Hubbard


We could do without the sound track comment regarding your sexual
prowess.

She sounded surprised.


LOL! Now, that's funny!


Wilbur Hubbard

"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:34:01 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:43:14 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
m...
snip


A nice concise description.... But how would you know?

Oh, yes, I remember, you read it in a book.

Cheers,

Bruce



I've sailed in the Gulf Stream many more times than you have. I know of
which I type. One must sail there in order to understand the conditions
there.

Wilbur Hubbard


Willie-boy you are trying to pull our leg, aren't you. After all, when
you recently made your epic voyage down the bay, to escape the big
band sound, you immediately announced your achievement and even
documented it with pictures. Had you actually gone somewhere with your
little yellow boat you'd have been shouting to the heavens, "LOOK AT
ME! LOOK AT ME! I'M SAILING, MA!"

No, Willie-boy, you ain't never sailed in the Gulf Stream, or anywhere
else. Except for the great bay odyssey.
Cheers,


Poor Bruce is wrong again. Just click on the following link to become
aware
of your uttermost folly.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0065365399306#



You must be joking. You reference a film showing a forward view from a
boat sailing somewhere. No reference, no views of the Captain, no view
of the crew. The most exciting thing that happened was the jib
backwinding for a moment.

"Cut the Mustard" sails in the Gulf Stream is the name of it and you can't
figure out what that means? Duh. You aren't any too bright, Bruce. Didn't
you note the color of the water? That's Gulf Stream color, boy!

And then you claim that this is proof that you went sailing?

If you can't believe your very own eyes and ears then there's no hope for
you.


Wilbur Hubbard

On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:53:22 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:34:01 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:43:14 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
om...
snip


A nice concise description.... But how would you know?

Oh, yes, I remember, you read it in a book.

Cheers,

Bruce



I've sailed in the Gulf Stream many more times than you have. I know of
which I type. One must sail there in order to understand the conditions
there.

Wilbur Hubbard


Willie-boy you are trying to pull our leg, aren't you. After all, when
you recently made your epic voyage down the bay, to escape the big
band sound, you immediately announced your achievement and even
documented it with pictures. Had you actually gone somewhere with your
little yellow boat you'd have been shouting to the heavens, "LOOK AT
ME! LOOK AT ME! I'M SAILING, MA!"

No, Willie-boy, you ain't never sailed in the Gulf Stream, or anywhere
else. Except for the great bay odyssey.
Cheers,


Poor Bruce is wrong again. Just click on the following link to become
aware
of your uttermost folly.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...0065365399306#



You must be joking. You reference a film showing a forward view from a
boat sailing somewhere. No reference, no views of the Captain, no view
of the crew. The most exciting thing that happened was the jib
backwinding for a moment.

"Cut the Mustard" sails in the Gulf Stream is the name of it and you can't
figure out what that means? Duh. You aren't any too bright, Bruce. Didn't
you note the color of the water? That's Gulf Stream color, boy!

And then you claim that this is proof that you went sailing?

If you can't believe your very own eyes and ears then there's no hope for
you.


Wilbur Hubbard

Willie, this is just like all the rest of your claims. You claim it is
Cuts the Mustard but don't show the name of the boat; you claim you
were aboard the boat but no picture or other evidence that you were;
you claim that you were in the Gulf Stream because of the color of the
water, but I've seen water like that all over the world.

Your vidio proof is just like all the rest of your claims - Bull****.

To use a phrase commonly used all over the Orient when discussing
people like you, "willie the Bull**** Boy".


Cheers,

Bruce