On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:35:18 -0800, Mark Borgerson
wrote:

In article s.com,
says...

This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal
government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats underway.

That would seem nonsensical in at least one way: If the boat isn't
underway, you wouldn't have to wear the jacket, but stepping from
your boat to your dinghy while at anchor might be when a PFD is
most needed. Ah, well, government regulations don't always make
sense. (Sometimes they do, though---like driving on the right
side of the road.)

The next question to ask, is when does a vessel transition from
"boat" to "ship". If there is no difference, I can see a
big opportunity in stylish flotation gear for the cruise ship
industry! ;-)



And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when
aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more
infringement by government upon our personal freedoms.

It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's
mandated by law.

The most effective way to get people to wear PFDs might be a simple
regulation that if you get rescued and aren't wearing one, you
pay all the costs of the rescue.

There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I
value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother mandate
such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business.


Mark Borgerson


Hey, that seems reasonable to me! It gives you a choice. If you aren't
worried about it, then you do nothing. If you are worried, you wear
them.

On 2/19/2011 12:11 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal
government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats underway.

And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when
aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more
infringement by government upon our personal freedoms.

It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's
mandated by law.

There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I
value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother mandate
such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business.

Muddy thinking. What you are advocating is cutting off your nose to
spite your face. If we feel safer and okay with wearing them all the
time we're supposed avoid wearing them because of something the
government wants? You are hoisting yourself on your own petard and being
controlled by the very Big Brother you are trying to avoid.

Stephen

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
...
On 2/19/2011 12:11 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal
government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats
underway.

And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when
aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more
infringement by government upon our personal freedoms.

It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's
mandated by law.

There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I
value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother
mandate
such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business.

Muddy thinking. What you are advocating is cutting off your nose to spite
your face. If we feel safer and okay with wearing them all the time we're
supposed avoid wearing them because of something the government wants? You
are hoisting yourself on your own petard and being controlled by the very
Big Brother you are trying to avoid.

Stephen



Good grief! but yours is warped logic. Let's look at it without the liberal,
big brother indoctrination you so proudly display.

1) If a body feels safer wearing a life jacket then, fine, do so. Suit
yourself! Nobody's going to stop you.

2) But, if a body does not feel safer wearing a life jacket or doesn't want
to wear one because it's unsightly and uncomfortable or any other reason
then why should THAT individual be ruled by the tyranny of the person who
does and who thinks it's his right to boss everybody else around?

WAKE THE **** UP!!!


That's the problem with liberals vs. conservatives. A liberal wants to FORCE
his desires on everybody else while a conservative only wishes to be left
alone to take care of himself or not take care of himself as is his wont. A
conservative is for individual freedom while a liberal is for tyranny.

You liberals are little Hitlers and you disgust me because you are too
arrogant to see what you're really all about - forcing others to think, act
and do what you think, in your ignorant arrogance, they should do. You strut
your jackbooted stuff and seem proud of the fact. Take a hike and leave the
rest of alone.

Wilbur Hubbard

On 2/21/2011 10:26 AM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Stephen wrote in message
...
On 2/19/2011 12:11 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal
government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats
underway.

And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when
aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more
infringement by government upon our personal freedoms.

It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's
mandated by law.

There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I
value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother
mandate
such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business.

Muddy thinking. What you are advocating is cutting off your nose to spite
your face. If we feel safer and okay with wearing them all the time we're
supposed avoid wearing them because of something the government wants? You
are hoisting yourself on your own petard and being controlled by the very
Big Brother you are trying to avoid.

Stephen



Good grief! but yours is warped logic. Let's look at it without the liberal,
big brother indoctrination you so proudly display.

1) If a body feels safer wearing a life jacket then, fine, do so. Suit
yourself! Nobody's going to stop you.

2) But, if a body does not feel safer wearing a life jacket or doesn't want
to wear one because it's unsightly and uncomfortable or any other reason
then why should THAT individual be ruled by the tyranny of the person who
does and who thinks it's his right to boss everybody else around?

WAKE THE **** UP!!!


That's the problem with liberals vs. conservatives. A liberal wants to FORCE
his desires on everybody else while a conservative only wishes to be left
alone to take care of himself or not take care of himself as is his wont. A
conservative is for individual freedom while a liberal is for tyranny.

You liberals are little Hitlers and you disgust me because you are too
arrogant to see what you're really all about - forcing others to think, act
and do what you think, in your ignorant arrogance, they should do. You strut
your jackbooted stuff and seem proud of the fact. Take a hike and leave the
rest of alone.

Wilbur Hubbard

Now you are disagreeing with what you said above:

And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice
when
aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more
infringement by government upon our personal freedoms.

One Wilbur says wear them if you want. Another Wilbur says if you wear
them all the time as a general practice, you are encouraging Big
Brother. One or both Wilburs need to either get together or get off the
sauce.

Stephen

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
...
On 2/21/2011 10:26 AM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Stephen wrote in message
...
On 2/19/2011 12:11 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal
government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats
underway.

And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice
when
aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more
infringement by government upon our personal freedoms.

It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's
mandated by law.

There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I
value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother
mandate
such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business.

Muddy thinking. What you are advocating is cutting off your nose to
spite
your face. If we feel safer and okay with wearing them all the time
we're
supposed avoid wearing them because of something the government wants?
You
are hoisting yourself on your own petard and being controlled by the
very
Big Brother you are trying to avoid.

Stephen



Good grief! but yours is warped logic. Let's look at it without the
liberal,
big brother indoctrination you so proudly display.

1) If a body feels safer wearing a life jacket then, fine, do so. Suit
yourself! Nobody's going to stop you.

2) But, if a body does not feel safer wearing a life jacket or doesn't
want
to wear one because it's unsightly and uncomfortable or any other reason
then why should THAT individual be ruled by the tyranny of the person who
does and who thinks it's his right to boss everybody else around?

WAKE THE **** UP!!!


That's the problem with liberals vs. conservatives. A liberal wants to
FORCE
his desires on everybody else while a conservative only wishes to be left
alone to take care of himself or not take care of himself as is his wont.
A
conservative is for individual freedom while a liberal is for tyranny.

You liberals are little Hitlers and you disgust me because you are too
arrogant to see what you're really all about - forcing others to think,
act
and do what you think, in your ignorant arrogance, they should do. You
strut
your jackbooted stuff and seem proud of the fact. Take a hike and leave
the
rest of alone.

Wilbur Hubbard

Now you are disagreeing with what you said above:

And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice
when
aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more
infringement by government upon our personal freedoms.

One Wilbur says wear them if you want. Another Wilbur says if you wear
them all the time as a general practice, you are encouraging Big Brother.
One or both Wilburs need to either get together or get off the sauce.

Stephen




Wrong! If you would treat with me you would be well-advised to become more
literate.

In your scrawl, you seem to have conviently overlooked the preamble to my
statement which is "those of you who post. . ." In other words publicize. I
have no problem with people wearing life jackets out of personal choice as
long as they just do so and then stfu about it. What I DO have a problem
with is people publicizing their wearing habits with the intent to get
legislation passed that forces everybody to do so.

If you are not able to ascertain the difference between your attempt at a
blanket statement and my very specific statement then you should use less
insolence when treating with your betters.

Wilbur Hubbard

On 2/22/2011 1:10 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Stephen wrote in message
...
On 2/21/2011 10:26 AM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
"Stephen wrote in message
...
On 2/19/2011 12:11 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal
government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats
underway.

And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice
when
aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more
infringement by government upon our personal freedoms.

It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's
mandated by law.

There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I
value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother
mandate
such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business.

Muddy thinking. What you are advocating is cutting off your nose to
spite
your face. If we feel safer and okay with wearing them all the time
we're
supposed avoid wearing them because of something the government wants?
You
are hoisting yourself on your own petard and being controlled by the
very
Big Brother you are trying to avoid.

Stephen



Good grief! but yours is warped logic. Let's look at it without the
liberal,
big brother indoctrination you so proudly display.

1) If a body feels safer wearing a life jacket then, fine, do so. Suit
yourself! Nobody's going to stop you.

2) But, if a body does not feel safer wearing a life jacket or doesn't
want
to wear one because it's unsightly and uncomfortable or any other reason
then why should THAT individual be ruled by the tyranny of the person who
does and who thinks it's his right to boss everybody else around?

WAKE THE **** UP!!!


That's the problem with liberals vs. conservatives. A liberal wants to
FORCE
his desires on everybody else while a conservative only wishes to be left
alone to take care of himself or not take care of himself as is his wont.
A
conservative is for individual freedom while a liberal is for tyranny.

You liberals are little Hitlers and you disgust me because you are too
arrogant to see what you're really all about - forcing others to think,
act
and do what you think, in your ignorant arrogance, they should do. You
strut
your jackbooted stuff and seem proud of the fact. Take a hike and leave
the
rest of alone.

Wilbur Hubbard

Now you are disagreeing with what you said above:

And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice
when
aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more
infringement by government upon our personal freedoms.

One Wilbur says wear them if you want. Another Wilbur says if you wear
them all the time as a general practice, you are encouraging Big Brother.
One or both Wilburs need to either get together or get off the sauce.

Stephen




Wrong! If you would treat with me you would be well-advised to become more
literate.

In your scrawl, you seem to have conviently overlooked the preamble to my
statement which is "those of you who post. . ." In other words publicize. I
have no problem with people wearing life jackets out of personal choice as
long as they just do so and then stfu about it. What I DO have a problem
with is people publicizing their wearing habits with the intent to get
legislation passed that forces everybody to do so.

You should say what you mean then. Don't expect people to be able to
read your mind. You never said "..with the intent to..."

If you are not able to ascertain the difference between your attempt at a
blanket statement and my very specific statement then you should use less
insolence when treating with your betters.

You are saying this into a mirror, right? If not, you should. It's perfect.

Stephen

"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:26:10 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
...
On 2/19/2011 12:11 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal
government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats
underway.

And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice
when
aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more
infringement by government upon our personal freedoms.

It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's
mandated by law.

There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I
value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother
mandate
such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business.

Muddy thinking. What you are advocating is cutting off your nose to
spite
your face. If we feel safer and okay with wearing them all the time
we're
supposed avoid wearing them because of something the government wants?
You
are hoisting yourself on your own petard and being controlled by the
very
Big Brother you are trying to avoid.

Stephen



Good grief! but yours is warped logic. Let's look at it without the
liberal,
big brother indoctrination you so proudly display.

1) If a body feels safer wearing a life jacket then, fine, do so. Suit
yourself! Nobody's going to stop you.

2) But, if a body does not feel safer wearing a life jacket or doesn't
want
to wear one because it's unsightly and uncomfortable or any other reason
then why should THAT individual be ruled by the tyranny of the person who
does and who thinks it's his right to boss everybody else around?

WAKE THE **** UP!!!


That's the problem with liberals vs. conservatives. A liberal wants to
FORCE
his desires on everybody else while a conservative only wishes to be left
alone to take care of himself or not take care of himself as is his wont.
A
conservative is for individual freedom while a liberal is for tyranny.

You liberals are little Hitlers and you disgust me because you are too
arrogant to see what you're really all about - forcing others to think,
act
and do what you think, in your ignorant arrogance, they should do. You
strut
your jackbooted stuff and seem proud of the fact. Take a hike and leave
the
rest of alone.

Wilbur Hubbard


I must say, I for one agree with you in main.



Thank you.

In article s.com,
llid says...

"WaIIy" wrote in message

I must say, I for one agree with you in main.



Thank you.

Hope you learned something.
Just go all rattled-brained like Rush, and you'll find a Wally to kiss
your ass.
Probably your only option too.

"Boating All Out" wrote in message
...
In article s.com,
llid says...

"WaIIy" wrote in message

I must say, I for one agree with you in main.



Thank you.

Hope you learned something.
Just go all rattled-brained like Rush, and you'll find a Wally to kiss
your ass.
Probably your only option too.



Unfortunately, WaIIy is probably one of only a few, right-thinking
individuals since conservative JessicaB seems to have allowed her hormones
to get the best of her and has run off with the gas can guy.

:-(


Wilbur Hubbard

On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:11:12 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:



This is my prediction: Within ten years states and then the federal
government will mandate the wearing of life jackets on all boats underway.

And, those of you who post that you wear them as a general practice when
aboard your boat and that you don't mind doing so only encourage more
infringement by government upon our personal freedoms.

It will be a cold day in hell when I wear a life jacket because it's
mandated by law.

There are certain conditions when I will voluntarily wear one because I
value my own life but it is unacceptable to me to have Big Brother mandate
such wearing. **** them! Ain't none of their business.

I have a merchant marine academy textbook, or did until I lost
everything in a fire. It says that while fire is rightly regarded as
the major threat, sailors do occasionally drown, too often after
falling off the gangplank drunk. I personally wouldn't have a chance
if I went in the water from any height at all. I have no body fat and
would sink like a rock to a considerable depth and most likely never
make it back to the air.

Casady