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I just recently bought a couple of inflatable PFDs.
One of the standing orders on my boat is that if you are on deck and out of the cockpit you must wear your float. But I'm curious about what the rest of you think. Do you wear them or not? -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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On 2/19/2011 7:37 AM, CaveLamb wrote:
I just recently bought a couple of inflatable PFDs. One of the standing orders on my boat is that if you are on deck and out of the cockpit you must wear your float. But I'm curious about what the rest of you think. Do you wear them or not? When single handing, I made it my business to clip on to one of two jacklines I had rigged or another solid place. I used a harness with two lines / clips so I could clip on, and then clip off of something else. I saw no reason to wear a PFD while single handing. Clearly this is a good idea for safety as is wearing a helmet when riding in your automobile, but few do either because for most, it reduces the experience. Clearly an incident may knock you off the boat and knock you silly at the same time so a PFD can easily save your life while others turn the boat and try for a rescue. So it's really a personal choice. Before you go further in this, though, I strongly suggest you try retrieving someone from the ocean as if it were a MOB drill. Getting someone on deck from most boats with significant freeboard is MUCH more difficult than most people envision. |
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slide wrote:
Before you go further in this, though, I strongly suggest you try retrieving someone from the ocean as if it were a MOB drill. Getting someone on deck from most boats with significant freeboard is MUCH more difficult than most people envision. We practice all the time, slide. But my boat has a sugar scoop stern with a drop down stern ladder. Retrieving hats is harder... -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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In article , CaveLamb wrote:
I just recently bought a couple of inflatable PFDs. One of the standing orders on my boat is that if you are on deck and out of the cockpit you must wear your float. But I'm curious about what the rest of you think. Do you wear them or not? Wife and I wear ours at all times we're not below. I'm not convinced we'd float for long once all our clothing layers and foul-weather gear got water-logged. If I'm single-handing then I clip on when moving about outside the cockpit, and the PFD doubles as a harness, so it is always warn - though should be redundant if I'm clipped on. Justin. -- Justin C, by the sea. |
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"CaveLamb" wrote in message
m... I just recently bought a couple of inflatable PFDs. One of the standing orders on my boat is that if you are on deck and out of the cockpit you must wear your float. But I'm curious about what the rest of you think. Do you wear them or not? Hell no! Never have, never will. Just don't fall off the boat. Life jackets are for children only as they aren't cognizant of the danger of falling overboard. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:37:48 -0600, CaveLamb
wrote: I just recently bought a couple of inflatable PFDs. One of the standing orders on my boat is that if you are on deck and out of the cockpit you must wear your float. But I'm curious about what the rest of you think. Do you wear them or not? I don't wear them, nor know anyone who wears them in normal conditions, but it IS still is a good idea. Cheers, Bruce |
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"Bruce" wrote in message
... On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:37:48 -0600, CaveLamb wrote: I just recently bought a couple of inflatable PFDs. One of the standing orders on my boat is that if you are on deck and out of the cockpit you must wear your float. But I'm curious about what the rest of you think. Do you wear them or not? I don't wear them, nor know anyone who wears them in normal conditions, but it IS still a good idea. No, it's NOT a good idea, it's a stupid idea. If you can't keep from falling off your boat in normal conditions then you don't belong there in the first place. And, if conditions are so bad that there is a good chance you'll be knocked or washed overboard then use a harness and jack lines to keep from going overboard if you need to be outside. Otherwise, stay inside. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:14:21 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "CaveLamb" wrote in message om... I just recently bought a couple of inflatable PFDs. One of the standing orders on my boat is that if you are on deck and out of the cockpit you must wear your float. But I'm curious about what the rest of you think. Do you wear them or not? Hell no! Never have, never will. Just don't fall off the boat. Life jackets are for children only as they aren't cognizant of the danger of falling overboard. Wilbur Hubbard Ah... and there speaks the voice of experience. Now google on "Pen Duick and "Eric Tabarly", who was a former officer in the French navy who is often considered the father of French yachting.His sailing experiences include 2 Whitbreads, two time OSTAR winner, and a lifetime of sailing. But of course, he just did it and never felt it necessary to flaunt his experiences in a book, so I'm sure that you never heard of him. Yes, the voice of experience..... the armchair sailor, who read a book about sailing. Cheers, Bruce |
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Bruce wrote:
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:37:48 -0600, CaveLamb wrote: I just recently bought a couple of inflatable PFDs. One of the standing orders on my boat is that if you are on deck and out of the cockpit you must wear your float. But I'm curious about what the rest of you think. Do you wear them or not? I don't wear them, nor know anyone who wears them in normal conditions, but it IS still is a good idea. Cheers, Bruce At least over here, it could be seen as a responsibility thing. If someone went over the rail without a PFD and died, heirs might start a legal witch hunt. But if you (the person responsible for the safety of everyone aboard) DO require them and the above happens I think you'd have a better stance in court. Sux, maybe, that such is a consideration. But it is. -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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On Feb 19, 6:40*pm, CaveLamb wrote:
Bruce wrote: On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:37:48 -0600, CaveLamb wrote: I just recently bought a couple of inflatable PFDs. One of the standing orders on my boat is that if you are on deck and out of the cockpit you must wear your float. But I'm curious about what the rest of you think. Do you wear them or not? I don't wear them, nor know anyone who wears them in normal conditions, but it IS still is a good idea. Cheers, Bruce At least over here, it could be seen as a responsibility thing. If someone went over the rail without a PFD and died, heirs might start a legal witch hunt. *But if you (the person responsible for the safety of everyone aboard) DO require them and the above happens I think you'd have a better stance in court. Sux, maybe, that such is a consideration. *But it is. -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: *http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb I swim very well and I sail in warm waters. However, I ALWAYS wear my auto-inflate jacket with auto lite and locater beacon. I have a lot to live for. My policy is that anybody who is not confident of their swimming (including anybody under 16) wears a jacket at all times. At night, everybody (outside) wears theirs and gets tethered to an eye bolt. In bad weather, everybody wears one. Below, they may be removed. |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com... "CaveLamb" wrote in message m... I just recently bought a couple of inflatable PFDs. One of the standing orders on my boat is that if you are on deck and out of the cockpit you must wear your float. But I'm curious about what the rest of you think. Do you wear them or not? Hell no! Never have, never will. Just don't fall off the boat. Life jackets are for children only as they aren't cognizant of the danger of falling overboard. Wilbur Hubbard That's totally irresponsible. Wear one for your loved ones if not for yourself. -- Waldo |
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On 2/19/2011 10:30 AM, CaveLamb wrote:
slide wrote: Before you go further in this, though, I strongly suggest you try retrieving someone from the ocean as if it were a MOB drill. Getting someone on deck from most boats with significant freeboard is MUCH more difficult than most people envision. We practice all the time, slide. But my boat has a sugar scoop stern with a drop down stern ladder. Retrieving hats is harder... Sugar scoop would make it MUCH easier. If you turn it around, you need so ask why anyone would NOT wear a PFD. Comfort and style would be the only reasons. Frex, when we sailed (and will again) we tend to go naked if it's warm enough. |
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slide wrote:
On 2/19/2011 10:30 AM, CaveLamb wrote: slide wrote: Before you go further in this, though, I strongly suggest you try retrieving someone from the ocean as if it were a MOB drill. Getting someone on deck from most boats with significant freeboard is MUCH more difficult than most people envision. We practice all the time, slide. But my boat has a sugar scoop stern with a drop down stern ladder. Retrieving hats is harder... Sugar scoop would make it MUCH easier. If you turn it around, you need so ask why anyone would NOT wear a PFD. Comfort and style would be the only reasons. Frex, when we sailed (and will again) we tend to go naked if it's warm enough. Copy that! Actually, there is a down side to the inflatables... If one fell across something the old padded style PFDs might prevent a cracked rib or worse. An inflatable lacks that. -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:56:05 -0600, CaveLamb
wrote: If one fell across something the old padded style PFDs might prevent a cracked rib or worse. Cracked ribs are certainly an issue but usually not fatal, and of the two cracked rib incidents that I've observed, both happened below decks. No thanks on the padded PFDs. In calm, settled conditions, PFDs above decks are a bit overkill in my opinion. Just about everyone I know uses the self inflating harness type when offshore or in rough conditions. In my opinion every boat should have a swim ladder. Our trawler has an interesting arrangement where the ladder can be deployed by someone in the water. |
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"Waldo" wrote in message
.com... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "CaveLamb" wrote in message m... I just recently bought a couple of inflatable PFDs. One of the standing orders on my boat is that if you are on deck and out of the cockpit you must wear your float. But I'm curious about what the rest of you think. Do you wear them or not? Hell no! Never have, never will. Just don't fall off the boat. Life jackets are for children only as they aren't cognizant of the danger of falling overboard. Wilbur Hubbard That's totally irresponsible. Wear one for your loved ones if not for yourself. Loved ones? What loved ones? Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:56:05 -0600, CaveLamb wrote: If one fell across something the old padded style PFDs might prevent a cracked rib or worse. Cracked ribs are certainly an issue but usually not fatal, and of the two cracked rib incidents that I've observed, both happened below decks. No thanks on the padded PFDs. In calm, settled conditions, PFDs above decks are a bit overkill in my opinion. Just about everyone I know uses the self inflating harness type when offshore or in rough conditions. In my opinion every boat should have a swim ladder. Our trawler has an interesting arrangement where the ladder can be deployed by someone in the water. How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay off the water. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On 2/20/2011 12:31 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
wrote in message .com... "Wilbur wrote in message anews.com... wrote in message m... I just recently bought a couple of inflatable PFDs. One of the standing orders on my boat is that if you are on deck and out of the cockpit you must wear your float. But I'm curious about what the rest of you think. Do you wear them or not? Hell no! Never have, never will. Just don't fall off the boat. Life jackets are for children only as they aren't cognizant of the danger of falling overboard. Wilbur Hubbard That's totally irresponsible. Wear one for your loved ones if not for yourself. Loved ones? What loved ones? Wilbur Hubbard Priceless. Snerk |
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On 2/20/2011 10:51 AM, slide wrote:
On 2/19/2011 10:30 AM, CaveLamb wrote: slide wrote: Before you go further in this, though, I strongly suggest you try retrieving someone from the ocean as if it were a MOB drill. Getting someone on deck from most boats with significant freeboard is MUCH more difficult than most people envision. We practice all the time, slide. But my boat has a sugar scoop stern with a drop down stern ladder. Retrieving hats is harder... Sugar scoop would make it MUCH easier. If you turn it around, you need so ask why anyone would NOT wear a PFD. Comfort and style would be the only reasons. Frex, when we sailed (and will again) we tend to go naked if it's warm enough. I had a sugar scoop transom on my old Parker. Not only did it make it easier to board the boat from the water but it allowed a place for the water to run out of the boat when I took on the ocassional greenie over the bow. Some naysayers poo pooed the transom arrangement but the good folks at Parker boats informed me that it was a safety feature. |
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:33:53 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay off the water. People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat. |
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"WaIIy" wrote in message
... On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:31:17 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Waldo" wrote in message eb.com... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "CaveLamb" wrote in message m... I just recently bought a couple of inflatable PFDs. One of the standing orders on my boat is that if you are on deck and out of the cockpit you must wear your float. But I'm curious about what the rest of you think. Do you wear them or not? Hell no! Never have, never will. Just don't fall off the boat. Life jackets are for children only as they aren't cognizant of the danger of falling overboard. Wilbur Hubbard That's totally irresponsible. Wear one for your loved ones if not for yourself. Loved ones? What loved ones? Wilbur Hubbard Think of Jessica. What would she do if she lost you ? That's what I mean . . . I'm afraid Jessica is a hopeless case. She had a date Friday with some guy who fetched her some gasoline when she ran out last week and she's nowhere to be seen since. Because she's got someone new to occupy her time, she has left all of us in rbc in the lurch. Women are so fickle and unreliable. What good are they, really! :-( Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:33:53 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay off the water. People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat. All you have to do is be able to swim long enough for the boat to come back and retrieve you. If you're single-handing and the boat is on autopilot that will be somewhat of a problem but otherwise your absence will soon be noticed and the crew should come looking for you. But, the main thing is just don't fall off the boat. Is that so hard to understand? Seriously, falling off the boat probably indicates you are so stupid that perhaps your genes don't really need to be passed on anyhow. I ride a bicycle and rather than wearing some sort of inflatable rubber suit that would inflated quickly when I was falling so I bounced and did not hurt myself I would rather just NOT FALL. I work very hard just not falling precisely because it really hurts to fall. If people realized that they might well die if they fell off their boats then perhaps they wouldn't fall off. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"HarryK" wrote in message
... On 2/20/2011 10:51 AM, slide wrote: On 2/19/2011 10:30 AM, CaveLamb wrote: slide wrote: Before you go further in this, though, I strongly suggest you try retrieving someone from the ocean as if it were a MOB drill. Getting someone on deck from most boats with significant freeboard is MUCH more difficult than most people envision. We practice all the time, slide. But my boat has a sugar scoop stern with a drop down stern ladder. Retrieving hats is harder... Sugar scoop would make it MUCH easier. If you turn it around, you need so ask why anyone would NOT wear a PFD. Comfort and style would be the only reasons. Frex, when we sailed (and will again) we tend to go naked if it's warm enough. I had a sugar scoop transom on my old Parker. Not only did it make it easier to board the boat from the water but it allowed a place for the water to run out of the boat when I took on the ocassional greenie over the bow. Some naysayers poo pooed the transom arrangement but the good folks at Parker boats informed me that it was a safety feature. Sugar scoop transoms are only successfully marketed to idiots. Why? Because a boat that is really only 30 feet LOA can be cheaply marketed as a 33-footer by virtue of the extra LOA the cosmetic sugar scoop offers. IOW, people are stupid enough to pay 33-foot prices for a 30-foot boat. After it dawns on them that they were suckered, then they come up with all kinds of after-the-fact rationales for why the rip-off sugar scoop is so great. Just who the hell do they think they're trying to fool? LOL! Wilbur Hubbard |
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On 2/20/2011 1:01 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:31:17 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: wrote in message .com... "Wilbur wrote in message anews.com... wrote in message m... I just recently bought a couple of inflatable PFDs. One of the standing orders on my boat is that if you are on deck and out of the cockpit you must wear your float. But I'm curious about what the rest of you think. Do you wear them or not? Hell no! Never have, never will. Just don't fall off the boat. Life jackets are for children only as they aren't cognizant of the danger of falling overboard. Wilbur Hubbard That's totally irresponsible. Wear one for your loved ones if not for yourself. Loved ones? What loved ones? Wilbur Hubbard Think of Jessica. What would she do if she lost you ? That's what I mean . . . I'm afraid Jessica is a hopeless case. She had a date Friday with some guy who fetched her some gasoline when she ran out last week and she's nowhere to be seen since. Because she's got someone new to occupy her time, she has left all of us in rbc in the lurch. Women are so fickle and unreliable. What good are they, really! :-( Wilbur Hubbard Poor baby. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. LOL |
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"HarryK" wrote in message
... On 2/20/2011 1:01 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote: wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:31:17 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: wrote in message .com... "Wilbur wrote in message anews.com... wrote in message m... I just recently bought a couple of inflatable PFDs. One of the standing orders on my boat is that if you are on deck and out of the cockpit you must wear your float. But I'm curious about what the rest of you think. Do you wear them or not? Hell no! Never have, never will. Just don't fall off the boat. Life jackets are for children only as they aren't cognizant of the danger of falling overboard. Wilbur Hubbard That's totally irresponsible. Wear one for your loved ones if not for yourself. Loved ones? What loved ones? Wilbur Hubbard Think of Jessica. What would she do if she lost you ? That's what I mean . . . I'm afraid Jessica is a hopeless case. She had a date Friday with some guy who fetched her some gasoline when she ran out last week and she's nowhere to be seen since. Because she's got someone new to occupy her time, she has left all of us in rbc in the lurch. Women are so fickle and unreliable. What good are they, really! :-( Wilbur Hubbard Poor baby. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. LOL For you, Harry, the saying should be "A bush in the hand is worth a dozen in the Playboy magazine." LOL! Wilbur Hubbard |
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On 2/20/2011 1:52 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
wrote in message ... On 2/20/2011 1:01 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote: wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:31:17 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: wrote in message .com... "Wilbur wrote in message anews.com... wrote in message m... I just recently bought a couple of inflatable PFDs. One of the standing orders on my boat is that if you are on deck and out of the cockpit you must wear your float. But I'm curious about what the rest of you think. Do you wear them or not? Hell no! Never have, never will. Just don't fall off the boat. Life jackets are for children only as they aren't cognizant of the danger of falling overboard. Wilbur Hubbard That's totally irresponsible. Wear one for your loved ones if not for yourself. Loved ones? What loved ones? Wilbur Hubbard Think of Jessica. What would she do if she lost you ? That's what I mean . . . I'm afraid Jessica is a hopeless case. She had a date Friday with some guy who fetched her some gasoline when she ran out last week and she's nowhere to be seen since. Because she's got someone new to occupy her time, she has left all of us in rbc in the lurch. Women are so fickle and unreliable. What good are they, really! :-( Wilbur Hubbard Poor baby. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. LOL For you, Harry, the saying should be "A bush in the hand is worth a dozen in the Playboy magazine." LOL! Wilbur Hubbard Heh? |
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"CaveLamb" wrote in message
m... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: "HarryK" wrote in message ... On 2/20/2011 10:51 AM, slide wrote: On 2/19/2011 10:30 AM, CaveLamb wrote: slide wrote: Before you go further in this, though, I strongly suggest you try retrieving someone from the ocean as if it were a MOB drill. Getting someone on deck from most boats with significant freeboard is MUCH more difficult than most people envision. We practice all the time, slide. But my boat has a sugar scoop stern with a drop down stern ladder. Retrieving hats is harder... Sugar scoop would make it MUCH easier. If you turn it around, you need so ask why anyone would NOT wear a PFD. Comfort and style would be the only reasons. Frex, when we sailed (and will again) we tend to go naked if it's warm enough. I had a sugar scoop transom on my old Parker. Not only did it make it easier to board the boat from the water but it allowed a place for the water to run out of the boat when I took on the ocassional greenie over the bow. Some naysayers poo pooed the transom arrangement but the good folks at Parker boats informed me that it was a safety feature. Sugar scoop transoms are only successfully marketed to idiots. Why? Because a boat that is really only 30 feet LOA can be cheaply marketed as a 33-footer by virtue of the extra LOA the cosmetic sugar scoop offers. IOW, people are stupid enough to pay 33-foot prices for a 30-foot boat. After it dawns on them that they were suckered, then they come up with all kinds of after-the-fact rationales for why the rip-off sugar scoop is so great. Just who the hell do they think they're trying to fool? LOL! Wilbur Hubbard Almost ALL the modern blue water racers are built that way too. You just proved my point. The sugar scoop is a way to cheat the rules just like it cheats the hapless consumer into thinking he's buying a longer boat than he's really buying. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
You just proved my point. The sugar scoop is a way to cheat the rules just like it cheats the hapless consumer into thinking he's buying a longer boat than he's really buying. Wilbur Hubbard Just plain noise. Water line length is water line length. What the reverse transom arrangement really does is limit how far aft you can load heavy stuff. -- Richard Lamb email me: web site: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb |
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wrote: How about people just learn how to SWIM???? *If you can't swim then stay off the water. Jessibur has a very limited view of sailing. His post show a fundamental lack conservative thinking. Wayne B on the other had is the first person here that really hits the nail on the head. Your equipment should fit the vessel and the area of operation. To make a blnket statment as Jsessibur does is nieve. Here in the PNW with water tempratures 48-55F and sailing typically in 6-12 feet swells it is very easy to drown befor a boat can come about... yes, even excuting a Willimason Turn. basic law here is if single handed and go over youre dead. If you go over with someone else on board youre most likely dead.... maybe not if yore really fat had have a capable crew. Personnly single haded I tie off and wear a Sterns Type V Work Suit and when in water temp above 70 F Ill substitute an inflatable harness. When crossing a bar all passengers are inside. Only crew is on deck.Once ouside pasangers are alowed on deck and must wear inflatable harness. People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to swim to? *A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat. Wayne, I comend your conservative and detaild response. To Willica I say, u r 1 dum fool. BOb |
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"Bob" wrote in message
... wrote: How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay off the water. ::Jessibur has a very limited view of sailing. His post show a ::fundamental lack conservative thinking. Wrong! Conservative thinking has at it's core personal rights and personal freedom and personal responsibility. It is very conservative to suggest a body learn to swim prior to going out on the water. ::Wayne B on the other had is the first person here that really hits the ::nail on the head. Your equipment should fit the vessel and the area of ::operation. And who makes the rules? Not the captain? Nooooo! You freaking communists want all personal responsibility taken away from the captain and given to some government entity. You, sir, are a Nazi wannabe. ::To make a bl(a)nket statment as Jsessibur does is nieve (sic). Here in the PNW ::with water tempratures 48-55F and sailing typically in 6-12 feet ::swells it is very easy to drown befor a boat can come about... yes, ::even excuting a Willimason Turn. basic law here is if single handed ::and go over youre dead. If you go over with someone else on board ::youre most likely dead.... maybe not if yore really fat had have a ::capable crew. Oh, clueless one, the point is to NOT fall off the boat. If you are stupid or inept to fall off the boat then you deserve to be left behind to drown. Your personal responsibility is to take such measures as will satisfy you of your OWN PERSONAL SAFETY. If you wish then wear a life jacket but don't try to leglislate personal safety decisions and make them mandatory for everybody. I'm an adult - I will make my own personal safety decisions and the federal or state government be damned. If you want to be a Nazi, fine. But, leave me out of your world view. Is that too much to ask? ::Person(al)ly single ha(n)ded I tie off and wear a Sterns Type V Work Suit ::and when in water temp above 70 F Ill substitute an inflatable ::harness. When crossing a bar all passengers are inside. Only crew is ::on deck.Once ouside pasangers are alowed on deck and must wear ::inflatable harness. Hey dummy! In case you haven't noticed I'm not talking about commercial enterprises. I'm talking about individual choices on recreational vessels. Get a clue and try to stay on topic, d00d! People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat. ::Wayne, I comend your conservative and detaild response. To Willica I ::say, u r 1 dum fool. :: BOb Bob, you haven't a clue what conservative even means. I suggest you do some basic research on the term. And, don't limit it to a political definition only. When you have educated yourself then you may return and perhaps not make as big a fool out of yourself as is the case in your post to which this is the reply. Dismissed! Wilbur Hubbard |
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"CaveLamb" wrote in message
m... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: You just proved my point. The sugar scoop is a way to cheat the rules just like it cheats the hapless consumer into thinking he's buying a longer boat than he's really buying. Wilbur Hubbard Just plain noise. Water line length is water line length. What the reverse transom arrangement really does is limit how far aft you can load heavy stuff. You just displayed a total lack of understanding. I don't know of ANY recreational vessel that is sold by LWL. All of them are sold by LOA. Length over all INCLUDES that cosmetic appendage called a sugar scoop. Get a clue. I could tack a 3-foot sugar scoop on the transom of my fine blue water yacht and VOILA! 'Cut the Mustard' suddenly becomes a 30-footer. Only morons buy sugar scoop vessels because the 30-footer they pay for is really a 27-footer. WAKE UP! People are just so brainwashed by adverts these days. Most have no ability to see basic everyday reason and logic. Wilbur Hubbard Wilbur Hubbard |
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On 2/21/2011 9:14 AM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
wrote in message m... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: You just proved my point. The sugar scoop is a way to cheat the rules just like it cheats the hapless consumer into thinking he's buying a longer boat than he's really buying. Wilbur Hubbard Just plain noise. Water line length is water line length. What the reverse transom arrangement really does is limit how far aft you can load heavy stuff. You just displayed a total lack of understanding. I don't know of ANY recreational vessel that is sold by LWL. All of them are sold by LOA. Length over all INCLUDES that cosmetic appendage called a sugar scoop. Get a clue. I could tack a 3-foot sugar scoop on the transom of my fine blue water yacht and VOILA! 'Cut the Mustard' suddenly becomes a 30-footer. Only morons buy sugar scoop vessels because the 30-footer they pay for is really a 27-footer. WAKE UP! People are just so brainwashed by adverts these days. Most have no ability to see basic everyday reason and logic. Wilbur Hubbard Wilbur Hubbard It's not just about $s per foot. If it was, choosing a boat would be a no brainer. You LIVE in a 27 foot boat? Wow. How can you do it? You don't pay marina fees? How do you get away with that? What do the local authorities think about you squatting on and polluting their waters. Certainly you are breaking some laws. I have half a mind to drop a dime on you, Mr parasite. |
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"HarryK" wrote in message
... snip I have half a mind . . . snip I agree with this post!!! Wilbur Hubbard |
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::Person(al)ly single ha(n)ded I tie off and wear a Sterns Type V Work Suit ::and when in water temp above 70 F Ill substitute an inflatable ::harness. When crossing a bar all passengers are inside. Only crew is ::on deck.Once ouside pasangers are alowed on deck and must wear ::inflatable harness. Hey dummy! In case you haven't noticed I'm not talking about commercial enterprises. I'm talking about individual choices on recreational vessels. Get a clue and try to stay on topic, d00d! People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat. ::Wayne, I comend your conservative and detaild response. To Willica I ::say, u r 1 dum fool. :: BOb WILica B. I said nothing about passangers for hire. My post was direct to recreational voyages. WHen I have passangers (friends) on board who do not have a designated duty station they go below when I cross the bar. Why might I do that? SInce you most likely have no idea what I mean by "bar" I will for give you ignorance this time only. Bob |
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:37:48 -0600, CaveLamb
wrote: I just recently bought a couple of inflatable PFDs. One of the standing orders on my boat is that if you are on deck and out of the cockpit you must wear your float. But I'm curious about what the rest of you think. Do you wear them or not? Last time I sailed, I was given a choice, and I put mine on. I was told it would inflate by water pressure, so I didn't have to worry about getting sprayed. It seemed pretty comfortable, but after a while got annoying, so I took it off. |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:10:09 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... wrote: How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay off the water. ::Jessibur has a very limited view of sailing. His post show a ::fundamental lack conservative thinking. Wrong! Conservative thinking has at it's core personal rights and personal freedom and personal responsibility. It is very conservative to suggest a body learn to swim prior to going out on the water. ::Wayne B on the other had is the first person here that really hits the ::nail on the head. Your equipment should fit the vessel and the area of ::operation. And who makes the rules? Not the captain? Nooooo! You freaking communists want all personal responsibility taken away from the captain and given to some government entity. You, sir, are a Nazi wannabe. ::To make a bl(a)nket statment as Jsessibur does is nieve (sic). Here in the PNW ::with water tempratures 48-55F and sailing typically in 6-12 feet ::swells it is very easy to drown befor a boat can come about... yes, ::even excuting a Willimason Turn. basic law here is if single handed ::and go over youre dead. If you go over with someone else on board ::youre most likely dead.... maybe not if yore really fat had have a ::capable crew. Oh, clueless one, the point is to NOT fall off the boat. If you are stupid or inept to fall off the boat then you deserve to be left behind to drown. Your personal responsibility is to take such measures as will satisfy you of your OWN PERSONAL SAFETY. If you wish then wear a life jacket but don't try to leglislate personal safety decisions and make them mandatory for everybody. I'm an adult - I will make my own personal safety decisions and the federal or state government be damned. If you want to be a Nazi, fine. But, leave me out of your world view. Is that too much to ask? ::Person(al)ly single ha(n)ded I tie off and wear a Sterns Type V Work Suit ::and when in water temp above 70 F Ill substitute an inflatable ::harness. When crossing a bar all passengers are inside. Only crew is ::on deck.Once ouside pasangers are alowed on deck and must wear ::inflatable harness. Hey dummy! In case you haven't noticed I'm not talking about commercial enterprises. I'm talking about individual choices on recreational vessels. Get a clue and try to stay on topic, d00d! People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat. ::Wayne, I comend your conservative and detaild response. To Willica I ::say, u r 1 dum fool. :: BOb Bob, you haven't a clue what conservative even means. I suggest you do some basic research on the term. And, don't limit it to a political definition only. When you have educated yourself then you may return and perhaps not make as big a fool out of yourself as is the case in your post to which this is the reply. Dismissed! Wilbur Hubbard I was specifically told not to fall off the boat by the skipper. I didn't fall off the boat! LOL |
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Last time I sailed, I was given a choice, and I put mine on. I was told it would inflate by water pressure, so I didn't have to worry about getting sprayed. It seemed pretty comfortable, but after a while got annoying, so I took it off. Jessibur B Hubard, Did it chafe your manboobs causing redness and great pain? Bob |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:10:09 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... wrote: How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay off the water. ::Jessibur has a very limited view of sailing. His post show a ::fundamental lack conservative thinking. Wrong! Conservative thinking has at it's core personal rights and personal freedom and personal responsibility. It is very conservative to suggest a body learn to swim prior to going out on the water. ::Wayne B on the other had is the first person here that really hits the ::nail on the head. Your equipment should fit the vessel and the area of ::operation. And who makes the rules? Not the captain? Nooooo! You freaking communists want all personal responsibility taken away from the captain and given to some government entity. You, sir, are a Nazi wannabe. ::To make a bl(a)nket statment as Jsessibur does is nieve (sic). Here in the PNW ::with water tempratures 48-55F and sailing typically in 6-12 feet ::swells it is very easy to drown befor a boat can come about... yes, ::even excuting a Willimason Turn. basic law here is if single handed ::and go over youre dead. If you go over with someone else on board ::youre most likely dead.... maybe not if yore really fat had have a ::capable crew. Oh, clueless one, the point is to NOT fall off the boat. If you are stupid or inept to fall off the boat then you deserve to be left behind to drown. Your personal responsibility is to take such measures as will satisfy you of your OWN PERSONAL SAFETY. If you wish then wear a life jacket but don't try to leglislate personal safety decisions and make them mandatory for everybody. I'm an adult - I will make my own personal safety decisions and the federal or state government be damned. If you want to be a Nazi, fine. But, leave me out of your world view. Is that too much to ask? ::Person(al)ly single ha(n)ded I tie off and wear a Sterns Type V Work Suit ::and when in water temp above 70 F Ill substitute an inflatable ::harness. When crossing a bar all passengers are inside. Only crew is ::on deck.Once ouside pasangers are alowed on deck and must wear ::inflatable harness. Hey dummy! In case you haven't noticed I'm not talking about commercial enterprises. I'm talking about individual choices on recreational vessels. Get a clue and try to stay on topic, d00d! People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat. ::Wayne, I comend your conservative and detaild response. To Willica I ::say, u r 1 dum fool. :: BOb Bob, you haven't a clue what conservative even means. I suggest you do some basic research on the term. And, don't limit it to a political definition only. When you have educated yourself then you may return and perhaps not make as big a fool out of yourself as is the case in your post to which this is the reply. Dismissed! Wilbur Hubbard I was specifically told not to fall off the boat by the skipper. I didn't fall off the boat! LOL Rats! -- Waldo |
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"Waldo" wrote in message
eb.com... "Jessica B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:10:09 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... wrote: How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay off the water. ::Jessibur has a very limited view of sailing. His post show a ::fundamental lack conservative thinking. Wrong! Conservative thinking has at it's core personal rights and personal freedom and personal responsibility. It is very conservative to suggest a body learn to swim prior to going out on the water. ::Wayne B on the other had is the first person here that really hits the ::nail on the head. Your equipment should fit the vessel and the area of ::operation. And who makes the rules? Not the captain? Nooooo! You freaking communists want all personal responsibility taken away from the captain and given to some government entity. You, sir, are a Nazi wannabe. ::To make a bl(a)nket statment as Jsessibur does is nieve (sic). Here in the PNW ::with water tempratures 48-55F and sailing typically in 6-12 feet ::swells it is very easy to drown befor a boat can come about... yes, ::even excuting a Willimason Turn. basic law here is if single handed ::and go over youre dead. If you go over with someone else on board ::youre most likely dead.... maybe not if yore really fat had have a ::capable crew. Oh, clueless one, the point is to NOT fall off the boat. If you are stupid or inept to fall off the boat then you deserve to be left behind to drown. Your personal responsibility is to take such measures as will satisfy you of your OWN PERSONAL SAFETY. If you wish then wear a life jacket but don't try to leglislate personal safety decisions and make them mandatory for everybody. I'm an adult - I will make my own personal safety decisions and the federal or state government be damned. If you want to be a Nazi, fine. But, leave me out of your world view. Is that too much to ask? ::Person(al)ly single ha(n)ded I tie off and wear a Sterns Type V Work Suit ::and when in water temp above 70 F Ill substitute an inflatable ::harness. When crossing a bar all passengers are inside. Only crew is ::on deck.Once ouside pasangers are alowed on deck and must wear ::inflatable harness. Hey dummy! In case you haven't noticed I'm not talking about commercial enterprises. I'm talking about individual choices on recreational vessels. Get a clue and try to stay on topic, d00d! People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat. ::Wayne, I comend your conservative and detaild response. To Willica I ::say, u r 1 dum fool. :: BOb Bob, you haven't a clue what conservative even means. I suggest you do some basic research on the term. And, don't limit it to a political definition only. When you have educated yourself then you may return and perhaps not make as big a fool out of yourself as is the case in your post to which this is the reply. Dismissed! Wilbur Hubbard I was specifically told not to fall off the boat by the skipper. I didn't fall off the boat! LOL Rats! I would have told her to fall off on purpose so I could do some man-overboard rescue practice drills. An added advantage would be a wet t-shirt. LOL! Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 08:37:48 -0600, CaveLamb wrote: I just recently bought a couple of inflatable PFDs. One of the standing orders on my boat is that if you are on deck and out of the cockpit you must wear your float. But I'm curious about what the rest of you think. Do you wear them or not? Last time I sailed, I was given a choice, and I put mine on. I was told it would inflate by water pressure, so I didn't have to worry about getting sprayed. It seemed pretty comfortable, but after a while got annoying, so I took it off. And therein lies the problem - discomfiture. The last thing I need when I'm sailing is some hot and uncomfortable life jacket of any kind chafing on me. I'd rather sit in the cockpit under the shade of the bimini with shorts and bare-chested and enjoy the sun, wind and water unencumbered with a bunch of crap hanging off of my body. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:04:40 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Waldo" wrote in message web.com... "Jessica B" wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:10:09 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... wrote: How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay off the water. ::Jessibur has a very limited view of sailing. His post show a ::fundamental lack conservative thinking. Wrong! Conservative thinking has at it's core personal rights and personal freedom and personal responsibility. It is very conservative to suggest a body learn to swim prior to going out on the water. ::Wayne B on the other had is the first person here that really hits the ::nail on the head. Your equipment should fit the vessel and the area of ::operation. And who makes the rules? Not the captain? Nooooo! You freaking communists want all personal responsibility taken away from the captain and given to some government entity. You, sir, are a Nazi wannabe. ::To make a bl(a)nket statment as Jsessibur does is nieve (sic). Here in the PNW ::with water tempratures 48-55F and sailing typically in 6-12 feet ::swells it is very easy to drown befor a boat can come about... yes, ::even excuting a Willimason Turn. basic law here is if single handed ::and go over youre dead. If you go over with someone else on board ::youre most likely dead.... maybe not if yore really fat had have a ::capable crew. Oh, clueless one, the point is to NOT fall off the boat. If you are stupid or inept to fall off the boat then you deserve to be left behind to drown. Your personal responsibility is to take such measures as will satisfy you of your OWN PERSONAL SAFETY. If you wish then wear a life jacket but don't try to leglislate personal safety decisions and make them mandatory for everybody. I'm an adult - I will make my own personal safety decisions and the federal or state government be damned. If you want to be a Nazi, fine. But, leave me out of your world view. Is that too much to ask? ::Person(al)ly single ha(n)ded I tie off and wear a Sterns Type V Work Suit ::and when in water temp above 70 F Ill substitute an inflatable ::harness. When crossing a bar all passengers are inside. Only crew is ::on deck.Once ouside pasangers are alowed on deck and must wear ::inflatable harness. Hey dummy! In case you haven't noticed I'm not talking about commercial enterprises. I'm talking about individual choices on recreational vessels. Get a clue and try to stay on topic, d00d! People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat. ::Wayne, I comend your conservative and detaild response. To Willica I ::say, u r 1 dum fool. :: BOb Bob, you haven't a clue what conservative even means. I suggest you do some basic research on the term. And, don't limit it to a political definition only. When you have educated yourself then you may return and perhaps not make as big a fool out of yourself as is the case in your post to which this is the reply. Dismissed! Wilbur Hubbard I was specifically told not to fall off the boat by the skipper. I didn't fall off the boat! LOL Rats! I would have told her to fall off on purpose so I could do some man-overboard rescue practice drills. An added advantage would be a wet t-shirt. LOL! Wilbur Hubbard As long as you didn't push me! FYI, sorry I saw your email today, but just didn't have the opportunity to give a thoughtful reply. I'll get to it this evening after I get back from the gym. I hope you had a nice day! Also, Waldo sounds like an ass. |
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