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Wilbur?
I'm thinking of upgrading from my 90's 6hp Johnson for a 4 stroke and
the 6hp Sailpro from Defender is $1299. This is a great price compared
to the other manufacturers so just wondering how you like yours?



That IS a great price. My source is selling them at $1430 with free
shipping. If you pay shipping from Defender the cost might be 80 bucks or
so
depending where you live.

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html

The motor is working out great for me. I think it's finally broken in and
it
has lots of power for its size. I'm quite impressed. I can't believe the
gas
mileage. It's work just trying to burn through the 3.5 gallon tank. It
seems
to last forever. But, I motor less than most people so that might have
something to do with it. Most recently I motored for about two hours
getting
from bayside to oceanside through the creek and under the bascule bridge
to
the yard. It was full when I started and above 3/4 tank when I finished.

It starts very easy and it idles smoothly and the complaint about the
steering damper not holding it in place seems not to apply to mine. It
stays
pretty much where I put it using the knob-type steering detent on the
rear
of the motor and it's not even screwed down very hard. It's about as
quiet
as the Honda 9.9 was but not quite as smooth being a single cylinder job.
But, it's not a noisy vibration machine either. At about half to 3/4
throttle it pushes my 27-footer at 5-6 knots in smooth water. Haven't
tried
it in any kind of a steep chop but it will probably be adequate to get in
and out of channels that present a direct headwind that one cannot sail
in.

I'd say, go for it.


Wilbur Hubbard
=====
Thanks Wilbur.
Is there any problem with keeping these (I don't know 4 strokes) motors
tilted out of the water when not in use? Particularly with the oil being
in a pan? My Morgan has a cut out in the center of the transom for the
outboard like the second pic in this ad:
http://www.sailingtexas.com/smorgan25101.html



That's the same arrangement my Coronado 27 has. The motor tilts up plenty
far enough to keep the foot/prop well out of the water. I think I've got
about six inches between the lowest part of the skeg and the water. Don't
worry about the oil. I think it uses a dry sump system and only uses half
a
quart and no oil comes out anywhere when fully tilted up.

It even has an small charging coil/rectifier that puts out five or six
amps
at 12vdc for running lights and/or minimal battery charging. I didn't hook
up my wires because I use photovoltaics but at least that option is
available.

You're gonna love the four-stroke. It doesn't smoke and it's so nice to
use
gasoline without oil mixed. I've been using mid-grade fuel, btw.


Wilbur Hubbard

======
Sounds good to me and I'm really looking forward to lowering the noise in
the cockpit. We don't have far to motor from the dock to our sailing
grounds but talking over the 2 stroke at all still sucks.
Thanks again.



If you're in no hurry and run it between 1/4 to 1/2 throttle you'll barely
hear it. It just puts along. Above half throttle it starts getting more air
intake noise than exhaust noise as it is a thru-propeller exhaust.

Wilbur Hubbard

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
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"MMC" wrote in message
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Wilbur?
I'm thinking of upgrading from my 90's 6hp Johnson for a 4 stroke and
the 6hp Sailpro from Defender is $1299. This is a great price compared
to the other manufacturers so just wondering how you like yours?


That IS a great price. My source is selling them at $1430 with free
shipping. If you pay shipping from Defender the cost might be 80 bucks or
so
depending where you live.

http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html

The motor is working out great for me. I think it's finally broken in and
it
has lots of power for its size. I'm quite impressed. I can't believe the
gas
mileage. It's work just trying to burn through the 3.5 gallon tank. It
seems
to last forever. But, I motor less than most people so that might have
something to do with it. Most recently I motored for about two hours
getting
from bayside to oceanside through the creek and under the bascule bridge
to
the yard. It was full when I started and above 3/4 tank when I finished.

It starts very easy and it idles smoothly and the complaint about the
steering damper not holding it in place seems not to apply to mine. It
stays
pretty much where I put it using the knob-type steering detent on the
rear
of the motor and it's not even screwed down very hard. It's about as
quiet
as the Honda 9.9 was but not quite as smooth being a single cylinder job.
But, it's not a noisy vibration machine either. At about half to 3/4
throttle it pushes my 27-footer at 5-6 knots in smooth water. Haven't
tried
it in any kind of a steep chop but it will probably be adequate to get in
and out of channels that present a direct headwind that one cannot sail
in.

I'd say, go for it.


Wilbur Hubbard
=====
Thanks Wilbur.
Is there any problem with keeping these (I don't know 4 strokes) motors
tilted out of the water when not in use? Particularly with the oil being
in a pan? My Morgan has a cut out in the center of the transom for the
outboard like the second pic in this ad:
http://www.sailingtexas.com/smorgan25101.html


That's the same arrangement my Coronado 27 has. The motor tilts up plenty
far enough to keep the foot/prop well out of the water. I think I've got
about six inches between the lowest part of the skeg and the water. Don't
worry about the oil. I think it uses a dry sump system and only uses half
a
quart and no oil comes out anywhere when fully tilted up.

It even has an small charging coil/rectifier that puts out five or six
amps
at 12vdc for running lights and/or minimal battery charging. I didn't hook
up my wires because I use photovoltaics but at least that option is
available.

You're gonna love the four-stroke. It doesn't smoke and it's so nice to
use
gasoline without oil mixed. I've been using mid-grade fuel, btw.


Wilbur Hubbard

======
Sounds good to me and I'm really looking forward to lowering the noise in
the cockpit. We don't have far to motor from the dock to our sailing
grounds but talking over the 2 stroke at all still sucks.
Thanks again.



If you're in no hurry and run it between 1/4 to 1/2 throttle you'll barely
hear it. It just puts along. Above half throttle it starts getting more air
intake noise than exhaust noise as it is a thru-propeller exhaust.

Wilbur Hubbard




While the thru-the-propeller exhaust helps keep noise down, it really ruins
reverse thrust!



--

Richard Lamb
email me:
web site: www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb

"CaveLamb" wrote in message
m...
snip

While the thru-the-propeller exhaust helps keep noise down, it really
ruins
reverse thrust!


If somebody needs reverse thrust they're not much of a sailboat operator.
You can't stop a 4-ton sailboat with a little reverse thrust from a six HP
motor in anything less than about fifty feet if the boat is traveling about
three knots. A good sailor allows his forward motion, leeway etc. to come to
a stop at the same point it arrives at a solid object. He does this without
the assistance of a motor.

I just laugh so hard I almost wet myself when I see any boat approach a dock
at about five knots, then throw it in reverse and max throttle the thing to
a stop. Ludicrous! An accident waiting to happen and a very lubberly thing
to do.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 12:56:05 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Sounds good to me and I'm really looking forward to lowering the noise in
the cockpit. We don't have far to motor from the dock to our sailing
grounds but talking over the 2 stroke at all still sucks.

Yes, lower sound level is a big plus. I'd suggest checking the prop
pitch that comes with the motor. Most are pitched too high for slow
speed sailboat usage. A lower pitch will get you operating further
up on the torque curve and will make your engine happier over the long
run.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 12:56:05 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Sounds good to me and I'm really looking forward to lowering the noise
in
the cockpit. We don't have far to motor from the dock to our sailing
grounds but talking over the 2 stroke at all still sucks.

Yes, lower sound level is a big plus. I'd suggest checking the prop
pitch that comes with the motor. Most are pitched too high for slow
speed sailboat usage. A lower pitch will get you operating further
up on the torque curve and will make your engine happier over the long
run.




The prop for the Sail Pro is 8.375" Dia. X 6.0" Pitch High-Thrust 3-Blade

The prop for the Standard model is 7.7" Dia. X 8.0" Pitch 3-Blade Aluminum


The Sail Pro seems propped just about right to me.


Wilbur Hubbard