On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 09:42:31 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 10:46:34 +0100, Justin C
wrote:

You don't have to, you just have to accept that accidents happen. It's
not fate, it's an accident.

There's some truth to that but it's a poor starting point for safety
awareness and prevention.

Accidents are enormously expensive and damaging for everyone concerned
so it pays to do take all reasonable precautions to prevent them.

When I was in the Air Force they had an aggressive safety program
(probably still do :-) with all the inspections, meetings, lectures,
and so on. and, it did eliminate most of the really stupid accidents.
But with all that there were still accidents. In fact the Safety
Manual, that all supervisors were required to know, and tested on
monthly, stated that according to the National Safety Council that
approximately 90% of all accidents were preventable - the other 10%
were acts of God.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

National Safety Council that
approximately 90% of all accidents were preventable - the other 10%
were acts of God.
Cheers,
Bruce


So what does, Acts of God mean exactly? That only God created the
situation and therefore nobody is responsible?

I say bull **** on that. If i get struck by lightning while standing
on the pitcher's mound is that an act of God or should I have been
able to recognize lightning and seek a safer spot? How about flash
flood and yu get swept away while camping in a stream bed? How about
eating ****, never exersizing, and smoking all your life and then at
45 yo ur doctor says u have high blood preasure. Is that an act of
god?

its easy to say god did it. That makes you a totally not responsible
for anything. When two vessesl collide is one vessel always found at
fault and the other 100% free of fault?

Acts of god are a dolts way of saying, I dont want to sholder any
responsibilty. I want to be blameless. Im a childish republican who
thinks igorance is just cause for injury, death, and loss of property

bob

On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:23:11 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:

National Safety Council that
approximately 90% of all accidents were preventable - the other 10%
were acts of God.
Cheers,
Bruce


So what does, Acts of God mean exactly? That only God created the
situation and therefore nobody is responsible?

It is just a term, used in many legal documents, that indicates that
the event was inexplicable. It is an "an act of God", for example, if
a sudden storm arises and blows your barn down.

I say bull **** on that. If i get struck by lightning while standing
on the pitcher's mound is that an act of God or should I have been
able to recognize lightning and seek a safer spot? How about flash
flood and yu get swept away while camping in a stream bed? How about
eating ****, never exersizing, and smoking all your life and then at

You are driving down the road and a deer jumps out in front of you and
you wreck your car avoiding it?

45 yo ur doctor says u have high blood preasure. Is that an act of
god?

its easy to say god did it. That makes you a totally not responsible
for anything. When two vessesl collide is one vessel always found at
fault and the other 100% free of fault?

Acts of god are a dolts way of saying, I dont want to sholder any
responsibilty. I want to be blameless. Im a childish republican who
thinks igorance is just cause for injury, death, and loss of property

bob

Rather then ask a lot of irrational questions you might try googleing
the term. The Wiki has a pretty detailed explanation.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Oct 17, 5:46*pm, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:23:11 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:

National Safety Council that
approximately 90% of all accidents were preventable - the other 10%
were acts of God.
Cheers,
Bruce

So what does, Acts of God mean exactly? That only God created the
situation and therefore nobody is responsible?

It is just a term, used in many legal documents, that indicates that
the event was inexplicable. It is an "an act of God", for example, if
a sudden storm arises and blows your barn down.

Yes, I understand the definition. However Ive started to question that
archaic phrase.

If s storm arises and blows my barn I say bad on the farmer for not
maintaing a structurally sound barn. Did every other barn in that area
do the same? Probabbly not


You are driving down the road and a deer jumps out in front of you and
you wreck your car avoiding it?

Absolutly, I lived in a region of PNW where deer were as think as rats
and birds. They beded down in my side yard. I lived 4 blocks from down
in a city with population of 15000. I drove the interstate for 18
years and EVER hit a deer, saw lots, had several near misses, and knew
many other who hit deer. Why did I avoid hitting an Act of Deer God ?
I predected deer occurance and took required steps to avoid hitting
them. Nothing super natural just plane conservative and knowledgable
practices.


Rather then ask a lot of irrational questions you might try googleing
the term. The Wiki has a pretty detailed explanation.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


I understand the concept I just dont belive that people have the
luxury of laming stupidy on GOD.
bob

On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 21:45:35 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:

On Oct 17, 5:46*pm, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:
On Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:23:11 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:

National Safety Council that
approximately 90% of all accidents were preventable - the other 10%
were acts of God.
Cheers,
Bruce

So what does, Acts of God mean exactly? That only God created the
situation and therefore nobody is responsible?

It is just a term, used in many legal documents, that indicates that
the event was inexplicable. It is an "an act of God", for example, if
a sudden storm arises and blows your barn down.

Yes, I understand the definition. However Ive started to question that
archaic phrase.

If s storm arises and blows my barn I say bad on the farmer for not
maintaing a structurally sound barn. Did every other barn in that area
do the same? Probabbly not

I'll give you a concrete example: In 1936 or 7 my father bought some
forested acreage outside our home town with the idea of cutting some
of the timber to finance the building of a house. Along came the Great
New England Hurricane, in 1938, and blew all the trees down and as
blown down forests were all over New England the timber became nearly
worthless... so a very small house :-)

Now, this hurricane was the first major hurricane to strike the area
since 1869 and is most powerful, costliest and deadliest hurricane in
New England history.

What do you call this?



You are driving down the road and a deer jumps out in front of you and
you wreck your car avoiding it?

Absolutly, I lived in a region of PNW where deer were as think as rats
and birds. They beded down in my side yard. I lived 4 blocks from down
in a city with population of 15000. I drove the interstate for 18
years and EVER hit a deer, saw lots, had several near misses, and knew
many other who hit deer. Why did I avoid hitting an Act of Deer God ?
I predected deer occurance and took required steps to avoid hitting
them. Nothing super natural just plane conservative and knowledgable
practices.


Rather then ask a lot of irrational questions you might try googleing
the term. The Wiki has a pretty detailed explanation.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


I understand the concept I just dont belive that people have the
luxury of laming stupidy on GOD.
bob
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

In article , Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
I'll give you a concrete example: In 1936 or 7 my father bought some
forested acreage outside our home town with the idea of cutting some
of the timber to finance the building of a house. Along came the Great
New England Hurricane, in 1938, and blew all the trees down and as
blown down forests were all over New England the timber became nearly
worthless... so a very small house :-)

Now, this hurricane was the first major hurricane to strike the area
since 1869 and is most powerful, costliest and deadliest hurricane in
New England history.

What do you call this?

I think you're wasting your time, Bruce. It seems Bob wants someone to
be responsible for everything; Haitian earthquakes, Icelandic volcanos,
Indian ocean tsunamis, it's *all* got to be someone's fault, Bob can't
accept that sometimes **** happens.

Justin.

--
Justin C, by the sea.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 22:08:23 +0100, Justin C
wrote:

In article , Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
I'll give you a concrete example: In 1936 or 7 my father bought some
forested acreage outside our home town with the idea of cutting some
of the timber to finance the building of a house. Along came the Great
New England Hurricane, in 1938, and blew all the trees down and as
blown down forests were all over New England the timber became nearly
worthless... so a very small house :-)

Now, this hurricane was the first major hurricane to strike the area
since 1869 and is most powerful, costliest and deadliest hurricane in
New England history.

What do you call this?

I think you're wasting your time, Bruce. It seems Bob wants someone to
be responsible for everything; Haitian earthquakes, Icelandic volcanos,
Indian ocean tsunamis, it's *all* got to be someone's fault, Bob can't
accept that sometimes **** happens.

Justin.


Yes, I realize that he is somewhat of a zealot but I just can't resist
poking holes in balloons.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

I think you're wasting your time, Bruce. It seems Bob wants someone to
be responsible for everything; Haitian earthquakes, Icelandic volcanos,
Indian ocean tsunamis, it's *all* got to be someone's fault, Bob can't
accept that sometimes **** happens.

* *Justin.

**** does happen all the time but sometimes one fellow simply walks
away thiniking, Humm just another Tuesday. While others runn around
wailing like a another welfare republican hoping to get saved by some
one cause God did it.

I'll give you a concrete example: In 1936 or 7 my father bought some
forested acreage outside our home town with the idea of cutting some
of the timber to finance the building of a house. Along came the Great
New England Hurricane, in 1938, and blew all the trees down and as
blown down forests were all over New England the timber became nearly
worthless... so a very small house :-)

Now, this hurricane was the first major hurricane to strike the area
since 1869 and is most powerful, costliest and deadliest hurricane in
New England history.

What do you call this?


Sounds like he put all his eggs in one basket. To bad he " bet the
farm" on one roll of the dice. What was his plan B in case the ****
hit the fan...... as it did in his case?

Another chapter could have been, a fire burnt it all down and the
price of timber went sky high but there was no marketable timber left.
There are several possible takes on that one.

Personally, my relitives left Houlton Maine in the late 1850s and
headed to the Oregon Territory to log and then farm the land. They
seemed to do just fine... humm maybe the PNW was a better deal than
Maine Its all about knowledge and judgment. Observe, predict, take
corrective actions. Learn..... and the world becomes simple.

Ya ever wonder why some people always have all the bad luck... you
know like driving a perfictly good boat on a reer, constant motor
problmes, and a never ending list of system hassels Oh and people
problems?
Bob

On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:47:16 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:


I'll give you a concrete example: In 1936 or 7 my father bought some
forested acreage outside our home town with the idea of cutting some
of the timber to finance the building of a house. Along came the Great
New England Hurricane, in 1938, and blew all the trees down and as
blown down forests were all over New England the timber became nearly
worthless... so a very small house :-)

Now, this hurricane was the first major hurricane to strike the area
since 1869 and is most powerful, costliest and deadliest hurricane in
New England history.

What do you call this?


Sounds like he put all his eggs in one basket. To bad he " bet the
farm" on one roll of the dice. What was his plan B in case the ****
hit the fan...... as it did in his case?


Another chapter could have been, a fire burnt it all down and the
price of timber went sky high but there was no marketable timber left.
There are several possible takes on that one.

Personally, my relitives left Houlton Maine in the late 1850s and
headed to the Oregon Territory to log and then farm the land. They
seemed to do just fine... humm maybe the PNW was a better deal than
Maine Its all about knowledge and judgment. Observe, predict, take
corrective actions. Learn..... and the world becomes simple.

Ya ever wonder why some people always have all the bad luck... you
know like driving a perfictly good boat on a reer, constant motor
problmes, and a never ending list of system hassels Oh and people
problems?
Bob


So, your contribution to the discussion about of Acts of God is "don't
put your eggs in one basket" and "my folks moved to Oregon"?

A meaningful response, indeed.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)