On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 10:38:30 +0200, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote:

That's a really good tale. It is instructive. Statistically, most disasters are due to multiple failures. I believe you were very
lucky. You suffered multiple failures and saved the boat. You may not be so lucky next time. Please consider having a serious,
large contingency battery that is NOT connected to anything in a standby state for situations like this......it's cheap insurance.

I use a compressed air starter on my diesel and carry 2, 100 liter tanks of which one is always full and not normally connected
for just this reason. A freind years ago, lost his 60' ketch off Okinawa due to this identical fault. He also used an electric
starter, but when he needed the engine, bilge water had shorted it out and he lost the boat on a corral reef. I use air now, my
engine will snorkle.
Steve


We used these in a lot of projects - heavy earth moving equipment and
oil field patch installations and they are a pain when the air
pressure gets low.

The ultimate would be the Russian heavy equipment engines I worked on
in Indonesia. they had three starting systems - electric, manual
(crank up a flywheel) and auxiliary one cylinder engine.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

The ultimate would be the Russian heavy equipment engines I worked on
in Indonesia. they had three starting systems - electric, manual
(crank up a flywheel) and auxiliary one cylinder engine.

Cheers,

Bruce

Darn, that is redunant.....

Im not sure that much redundancy is needed. I tend to belive in
keeping systems designed well and maintained religiously. Which means
replace stuff.

I think SKip would OCD and overdose with that Russian system.

I say, keep it simple, keep it bulit proof, keep it maintained witch
means REPLACE stuff before failure.
I decided to replace the 70' of 0/2 cable for my windless. Why? it had
been on the boat since 1979. Everybody said, just leave it cause it
would cost too much money and your windless works jsut fine. Good
thing I did. After removing the cables I found two knicks in the cover
that were ozzing green powdery stuff and the cable was about 1/3
larger at the point. Im sure that happened when the cable was
originally pulled and got an unknown cut on the cover. Oh, the two
splices I found were also equally gross. Moral of story..............
stop installing doo dads and start from the foundation up. all that
electic wifi and **** wont mean squat if you cant get ur anchor up or
your motor started.

Boob

On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:49:22 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:


The ultimate would be the Russian heavy equipment engines I worked on
in Indonesia. they had three starting systems - electric, manual
(crank up a flywheel) and auxiliary one cylinder engine.

Cheers,

Bruce

Darn, that is redunant.....

Im not sure that much redundancy is needed. I tend to belive in
keeping systems designed well and maintained religiously. Which means
replace stuff.

I'm not sure why the Russian equipment was built that way but nearly
all of the engines, powering cranes, bulldozers, etc., which were
built in the middle 70's were equipped that way. I had assumed, but
don't know for sure, that the engines might have been turned out by a
plant that also built for the military, in which case perhaps it made
sense.

I think SKip would OCD and overdose with that Russian system.

I say, keep it simple, keep it bulit proof, keep it maintained witch
means REPLACE stuff before failure.
I decided to replace the 70' of 0/2 cable for my windless. Why? it had
been on the boat since 1979. Everybody said, just leave it cause it
would cost too much money and your windless works jsut fine. Good
thing I did. After removing the cables I found two knicks in the cover
that were ozzing green powdery stuff and the cable was about 1/3
larger at the point. Im sure that happened when the cable was
originally pulled and got an unknown cut on the cover. Oh, the two
splices I found were also equally gross. Moral of story..............
stop installing doo dads and start from the foundation up. all that
electic wifi and **** wont mean squat if you cant get ur anchor up or
your motor started.

Boob

Certainly, in your case, it was time to replace the cables but the
basic reason was that the cables weren't installed correctly in the
first place.


Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:54:30 -0400, WaIIy wrote:

On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:49:22 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:


The ultimate would be the Russian heavy equipment engines I worked on
in Indonesia. they had three starting systems - electric, manual
(crank up a flywheel) and auxiliary one cylinder engine.

Cheers,

Bruce

Darn, that is redunant.....

Im not sure that much redundancy is needed. I tend to belive in
keeping systems designed well and maintained religiously. Which means
replace stuff.

I think SKip would OCD and overdose with that Russian system.

I say, keep it simple, keep it bulit proof, keep it maintained witch
means REPLACE stuff before failure.
I decided to replace the 70' of 0/2 cable for my windless. Why? it had
been on the boat since 1979. Everybody said, just leave it cause it
would cost too much money and your windless works jsut fine. Good
thing I did. After removing the cables I found two knicks in the cover
that were ozzing green powdery stuff and the cable was about 1/3
larger at the point. Im sure that happened when the cable was
originally pulled and got an unknown cut on the cover. Oh, the two
splices I found were also equally gross. Moral of story..............
stop installing doo dads and start from the foundation up. all that
electic wifi and **** wont mean squat if you cant get ur anchor up or
your motor started.

Boob


I'm glad to see you're starting to use your real name.

Gosh, you replaced a couple of cables. Great story.


And what have you done this week?
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Boob

I'm glad to see you're starting to use your real name.

Ya i really dont care bout spelling and such as i dont care about it
when I read others post here. Im more interested in ideas than commas
and caps.

Gosh, you replaced a couple of cables. *Great story.

Ya it sure beats, I cant get my anchor up and am dragging over a pipe
line or UW cable crossing..... and have to slip it


And what have you done this week?
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Fleet week in SF, CA. Loads of fun. Might take a cruise on the sailing
scow schooner ALMA or maybe jsut drink beer in the sun.....

On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 10:44:10 -0400, WaIIy wrote:

On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:20:29 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:54:30 -0400, WaIIy wrote:

On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:49:22 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:


The ultimate would be the Russian heavy equipment engines I worked on
in Indonesia. they had three starting systems - electric, manual
(crank up a flywheel) and auxiliary one cylinder engine.

Cheers,

Bruce

Darn, that is redunant.....

Im not sure that much redundancy is needed. I tend to belive in
keeping systems designed well and maintained religiously. Which means
replace stuff.

I think SKip would OCD and overdose with that Russian system.

I say, keep it simple, keep it bulit proof, keep it maintained witch
means REPLACE stuff before failure.
I decided to replace the 70' of 0/2 cable for my windless. Why? it had
been on the boat since 1979. Everybody said, just leave it cause it
would cost too much money and your windless works jsut fine. Good
thing I did. After removing the cables I found two knicks in the cover
that were ozzing green powdery stuff and the cable was about 1/3
larger at the point. Im sure that happened when the cable was
originally pulled and got an unknown cut on the cover. Oh, the two
splices I found were also equally gross. Moral of story..............
stop installing doo dads and start from the foundation up. all that
electic wifi and **** wont mean squat if you cant get ur anchor up or
your motor started.

Boob


I'm glad to see you're starting to use your real name.

Gosh, you replaced a couple of cables. Great story.


And what have you done this week?
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

From reading your posts for some time now, I'm a bit surprised you
would support such an obvious poseur.

The guy discusses a piece of work that he had done; you disparage
that, I simply enquired "what have you done?"

What support?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)