wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2010 22:49:22 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:

1025x769
and 800 mHz

More than adequate for marine navigation, email, and internet access.
Your sailboat isn't all that fast, either.


Dog,

Depends on how you use it. If all it is doing is playing chart plotter, ok, yeah,
that might be adequate. Maybe.

But using it as a chart?

The charts I have downloaded are all HUGE graphics files or PDF files.
Panning that on a small screen takes time and the smaller the screen the
more limited the view.

Also, it helps to have a couple (or more) views loaded at once so you don't have to
zoom in and out. So now page swapping speed is important.
I'd actually prefer multiple screens.
All that takes hoss-power.

Skip the computer and just use paper rather than deal with a sluggish computer

This slow box reasoning make we wonder who has actually tried it...
--

Richard Lamb

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 18:21:25 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:

Skip the computer and just use paper rather than deal with a sluggish computer

My favorite boat computer is a Toughbook that I bought used for $265
or so. It's more than adequate for managing charts in BSB format,
browsing the web, reading EMAIL, etc., and it just keeps on ticking.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 18:21:25 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:

Skip the computer and just use paper rather than deal with a sluggish computer

My favorite boat computer is a Toughbook that I bought used for $265
or so. It's more than adequate for managing charts in BSB format,
browsing the web, reading EMAIL, etc., and it just keeps on ticking.



And last, though certainly not least, is the limited contrast / brightness.

How can you read that out in the cockpit?

I couldn't - and that was in the shade.

--

Richard Lamb

On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:56:14 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 18:21:25 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:

Skip the computer and just use paper rather than deal with a sluggish computer

My favorite boat computer is a Toughbook that I bought used for $265
or so. It's more than adequate for managing charts in BSB format,
browsing the web, reading EMAIL, etc., and it just keeps on ticking.



And last, though certainly not least, is the limited contrast / brightness.

How can you read that out in the cockpit?

I couldn't - and that was in the shade.

Mine is usually up on the flybridge in shaded sunlight. No problem
reading it. It dims down fairly well for night usage also.

wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:56:14 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 18:21:25 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:

Skip the computer and just use paper rather than deal with a sluggish computer
My favorite boat computer is a Toughbook that I bought used for $265
or so. It's more than adequate for managing charts in BSB format,
browsing the web, reading EMAIL, etc., and it just keeps on ticking.


And last, though certainly not least, is the limited contrast / brightness.

How can you read that out in the cockpit?

I couldn't - and that was in the shade.

That must be why they use them outside on construction sites and for
Law enforcement work. They obviously don't need to be able to see the
display in daylight!

The toughbooks are specifically DAYLIGHT VIEWABLE.

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Toug.../ref=de_a_smtd



Advertising claims aside, I couldn't read it very well in the shade.

400:1 contrast ratio isn't anywhere up to date.


--

Richard Lamb

On Oct 4, 8:51*am, CaveLamb wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:56:14 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 18:21:25 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:

Skip the computer and just use paper rather than deal with a sluggish computer
My favorite boat computer is a Toughbook that I bought used for $265
or so. * It's more than adequate for managing charts in BSB format,
browsing the web, reading EMAIL, etc., and it just keeps on ticking.

And last, though certainly not least, is the limited contrast / brightness.

How can you read that out in the cockpit?

I couldn't - and that was in the shade.

That must be why they use them outside on construction sites and for
Law enforcement work. They obviously don't need to be able to see the
display in daylight!

The toughbooks are specifically DAYLIGHT VIEWABLE.

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Toug...Inch-Notebook/...

Advertising claims aside, I couldn't read it very well in the shade.

400:1 contrast ratio isn't anywhere up to date.

--

Richard Lamb



Dear Richard:

Here is something to consider operating a used CF29
When buying used most HDs are reformatted. DOing so removes the
Panasonic drivers. One required driver controlls the brightness
controll. With the driver installed use Ctrl + F1 or F2 for
brighness. With oout the Panisonic driver it dont work all that well
or not at all.

I hope this helps.....

My CF29 has excellent outside brightness.

Maybe I should get one of those 3D 53 inch plasma screens that SKip
has. NOw that would be fun............... for about 3 seconds :/

Bob

Bob wrote:
On Oct 4, 8:51 am, CaveLamb wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:56:14 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 18:21:25 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:
Skip the computer and just use paper rather than deal with a sluggish computer
My favorite boat computer is a Toughbook that I bought used for $265
or so. It's more than adequate for managing charts in BSB format,
browsing the web, reading EMAIL, etc., and it just keeps on ticking.
And last, though certainly not least, is the limited contrast / brightness.
How can you read that out in the cockpit?
I couldn't - and that was in the shade.
That must be why they use them outside on construction sites and for
Law enforcement work. They obviously don't need to be able to see the
display in daylight!
The toughbooks are specifically DAYLIGHT VIEWABLE.
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Toug...Inch-Notebook/...
Advertising claims aside, I couldn't read it very well in the shade.

400:1 contrast ratio isn't anywhere up to date.

--

Richard Lamb



Dear Richard:

Here is something to consider operating a used CF29
When buying used most HDs are reformatted. DOing so removes the
Panasonic drivers. One required driver controlls the brightness
controll. With the driver installed use Ctrl + F1 or F2 for
brighness. With oout the Panisonic driver it dont work all that well
or not at all.

I hope this helps.....

My CF29 has excellent outside brightness.

Maybe I should get one of those 3D 53 inch plasma screens that SKip
has. NOw that would be fun............... for about 3 seconds :/

Bob


That may be the case, Bob.
It belongs to the Police Department, not me.
So I can't easily check that detail.
But I'll mention it to them.

Thanks


--

Richard Lamb

Bob

That may be the case, Bob.
It belongs to the Police Department, not me.
So I can't easily check that detail.
But I'll mention it to them.

Thanks
Richard Lamb


Howdy Richard,
Glad to be of help. I did make one mistake in my earlier post. The
CF29 key commands for brightness control is: (blue key) Fn not what I
posted originally as Ctrl. I apologize for that mistake. The blue key
Fn is used to control several function keys including brightness.

I hope you get some good time on the water where ever you may be. Fall
in the PNW is fantastic right now

Bob

wrote in message
...


Especially on a sailboat, power draw is a big consideration. Fast
processors draw a TON more electricity, as do unecessarily large
displays. What Cavelamb is claiming he HAS to have will be a bigger
power drain than a decent refrigerator. How is he going to provide
that much power on a small sailboat?


What kind of refrigerator do you run, and for how long? Most Danfoss
compressors I know about pull about 6 amps at full speed.

My high powered rig (with 15w, soon to be 2.5w HD) pulls about 2.5. Lydia's
Laptop pulls (through the brick, of course) close to 5. I ditched my
SeaTech laptop cuz it drew over 10.

My screen, for which I will be aggressively seeking an LED 12V replacment
when I have to be ashore again for a wedding, pulls about 2.5 in active
mode.

So, yes, my full rig might be about the same as the refrigeration, both
running full load. Fortunately, neither run full time. My computer
(all-in), fortunately, doesn't use nearly as much as my refrigeration (yes,
I'm spoiled there, too), even in tropical waters and heat, because my
computer's on for a few hours, not 24/7. If we were in northern waters, I'm
sure they might be about equal (currently, that is, before my HD - now in
the Bahamas but not yet in my hands - savings, and before my LED screen
savings, as yet unrealized, of course). As to how we supply all that, we
have an 880AH 4xL16HC bank fed by 370W of solar and a KISS wind generator,
making 10 amps as I type (solar nothing, as it's night here, but typically
15-25A during the day), cuz the breeze is light; if it ever gets to the
forecasted 20-25, it will be more like 20-25A, 24/7. Both do very well in
the tropics.

Far afield from even the migrations of this thread, we have a keel cooler, a
smart speed controller (makes it run slower, thus less amps, as needed/not
needed), and digital thermostats in both reefer and freezer; very efficient.
Freezer kept at 8, reefer at 32 (nominal; a bit warmer on the far side top,
with the veggies, cold right next to the separation, where we keep our
drinking stuff - the recycled gatorade gallon jug full of water nearly
always has ice in it from being right in front of the spillover fan; it
makes our lemonade and, when we get some more, our Gatorade mix - always icy
cold, as is the coke and beer we occasionally treat ourselves to, which sits
below it)...

L8R

Skip, enjoying being able to see stuff large, and watch our movies in
wide-screen. No, I don't have a cedar bucket, either, and took out the
lectra-sans which came with the boat, mostly on a power issue basis, but I
DO have flush toilets :{))

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wrote:
On Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:39:35 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:

On Oct 4, 8:51 am, CaveLamb wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:56:14 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 18:21:25 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote:
Skip the computer and just use paper rather than deal with a sluggish computer
My favorite boat computer is a Toughbook that I bought used for $265
or so. It's more than adequate for managing charts in BSB format,
browsing the web, reading EMAIL, etc., and it just keeps on ticking.
And last, though certainly not least, is the limited contrast / brightness.
How can you read that out in the cockpit?
I couldn't - and that was in the shade.
That must be why they use them outside on construction sites and for
Law enforcement work. They obviously don't need to be able to see the
display in daylight!
The toughbooks are specifically DAYLIGHT VIEWABLE.
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-Toug...Inch-Notebook/...
Advertising claims aside, I couldn't read it very well in the shade.

400:1 contrast ratio isn't anywhere up to date.

--

Richard Lamb


Dear Richard:

Here is something to consider operating a used CF29
When buying used most HDs are reformatted. DOing so removes the
Panasonic drivers. One required driver controlls the brightness
controll. With the driver installed use Ctrl + F1 or F2 for
brighness. With oout the Panisonic driver it dont work all that well
or not at all.

I hope this helps.....

My CF29 has excellent outside brightness.

Maybe I should get one of those 3D 53 inch plasma screens that SKip
has. NOw that would be fun............... for about 3 seconds :/

Bob

Especially on a sailboat, power draw is a big consideration. Fast
processors draw a TON more electricity, as do unecessarily large
displays. What Cavelamb is claiming he HAS to have will be a bigger
power drain than a decent refrigerator. How is he going to provide
that much power on a small sailboat?


I don't HAVE to have it - just WANT it.

But your rant is out of date, Dog.

http://www.logicsupply.com/products/keex_2030

These are FANLESS systems.
They don't make that much heat, ergo don't pull that much current.

The display does, of course, but that's the same screen used for
movies, maps, chartplotter, etc.

I choose a VGA monitor rather than a TV because the extra circuitry
in the TV (tuner) pulls trons too. Monitors are significantly lower
draw.

And I'm still looking for a 12 volt drive monitor - just to lose the
20% from the inverter.




--

Richard Lamb