On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:39:38 -0800 (PST), Joe
wrote:

On Dec 31, 12:54*pm, Bob wrote:
On Dec 31, 7:36*am, Joe wrote:

http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?wcd=149551

Joe

Hey jo how are you going to keep the water out of the container or for
that matter out of your boat?
Or is that container going to be a deck load?

Bob

Bob, stick to asking the guy in Dutch Harbor if it's cold this time of
year.

Joe

The 1 TEU boxboat. Be sure and send an autographed picture to the
skipper of the Emma Maersk.

Casady

"Bob" wrote in message
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On Dec 31, 7:36 am, Joe wrote:
http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?wcd=149551

Joe




Hey jo how are you going to keep the water out of the container or for
that matter out of your boat?
Or is that container going to be a deck load?

It's not a good idea to mix different ones in a package (just like I kept
them
separate in the plastic bags) because the scents are strong and will
'infect' each other if they're right next to one another. And the
smells are specific and distinct enough that you wouldn't want that.

In article , Joe wrote:
http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?wcd=149551

Glad to hear it, and wish good luck and safe sailing to all involved.

I've read another reply you posted to the thread, about your encounters
with drug gangs and other undesirables. Wouldn't it be better to buy
your coffee elsewhere (I may have missed that you are)? How are you
going to be certain that your coffee isn't tampered with at the place of
origin (stuff smuggled in the container)?

I'm guessing that the container isn't going to be completely full of
coffee, front-to-back and top-to-bottom, 'cos that's a lot of weight
that isn't very low down. I'd be very interested to see the design of
the boat. Several design challenges are of interest - where do you put
the container? Where does/do the mast(s) go? Living quarters? How do you
keep water out of the hold? All interesting stuff, please post details
when available, or post a link to a web-site.

Justin.

--
Justin C, by the sea.

On Dec 31, 12:18*pm, Justin C wrote:
In article , Joe wrote:
http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?wcd=149551

Glad to hear it, and wish good luck and safe sailing to all involved.

I've read another reply you posted to the thread, about your encounters
with drug gangs and other undesirables. Wouldn't it be better to buy
your coffee elsewhere (I may have missed that you are)? How are you
going to be certain that your coffee isn't tampered with at the place of
origin (stuff smuggled in the container)?

Customs puts a seal on the container. All third world countrys have
problems.

I'm guessing that the container isn't going to be completely full of
coffee, front-to-back and top-to-bottom, 'cos that's a lot of weight
that isn't very low down. I'd be very interested to see the design of
the boat. Several design challenges are of interest - where do you put
the container?

In the hull as low as possiable..At the end of this video you can see
the design, the container is to scale. The plan is to have lot's of
ballast (battery banks included).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrOAhKl3cZw


Where does/do the mast(s) go? Living quarters? How do you
keep water out of the hold?

Cargo bay hatch covers.

All interesting stuff, please post details
when available, or post a link to a web-site.

www.ellagocoffee.com

* *Justin.

--
Justin C, by the sea.

"Joe" wrote in message
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In the hull as low as possiable..At the end of this video you can see
the design, the container is to scale. The plan is to have lot's of
ballast (battery banks included).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrOAhKl3cZw

Good to see you abandoned your original silly idea of having the container
on deck between the masts and placed it low as possible as I suggested.

Now, if you follow my next bit of good advice you might just succeed.

-- Hire a professional captain and crew to run the new boat.


Wilbur Hubbard

In article , Joe wrote:
On Dec 31, 12:18*pm, Justin C wrote:
In article , Joe wrote:
http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?wcd=149551

Glad to hear it, and wish good luck and safe sailing to all involved.

I've read another reply you posted to the thread, about your encounters
with drug gangs and other undesirables. Wouldn't it be better to buy
your coffee elsewhere (I may have missed that you are)? How are you
going to be certain that your coffee isn't tampered with at the place of
origin (stuff smuggled in the container)?

Customs puts a seal on the container. All third world countrys have
problems.

But the problems become yours when the container is inspected on
arrival.


I'm guessing that the container isn't going to be completely full of
coffee, front-to-back and top-to-bottom, 'cos that's a lot of weight
that isn't very low down. I'd be very interested to see the design of
the boat. Several design challenges are of interest - where do you put
the container?

In the hull as low as possiable..At the end of this video you can see
the design, the container is to scale. The plan is to have lot's of
ballast (battery banks included).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrOAhKl3cZw

Interesting stuff. I look forward to seeing photos of the vessel.

Justin.

--
Justin C, by the sea.

"Justin C" wrote in message
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Interesting stuff. I look forward to seeing photos of the vessel.



Is it being fitted with an underwater camera that activates when it sinks?


Wilbur Hubbard

On Jan 2, 4:54*pm, Justin C wrote:
In article , Joe wrote:
On Dec 31, 12:18*pm, Justin C wrote:
In article , Joe wrote:
http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?wcd=149551

Glad to hear it, and wish good luck and safe sailing to all involved.

I've read another reply you posted to the thread, about your encounters
with drug gangs and other undesirables. Wouldn't it be better to buy
your coffee elsewhere (I may have missed that you are)? How are you
going to be certain that your coffee isn't tampered with at the place of
origin (stuff smuggled in the container)?

Customs puts a seal on the container. All third world countrys have
problems.

But the problems become yours when the container is inspected on
arrival.

There is no problem. You know what was loaded and as long as the seal
remains un-tampered with then there are no suprises. A couple of pad
locks and a trip right to a secure shipping port to await loading.
Every coffee port in the world is surrounded with secure containers
waiting to be loaded.



I'm guessing that the container isn't going to be completely full of
coffee, front-to-back and top-to-bottom, 'cos that's a lot of weight
that isn't very low down. I'd be very interested to see the design of
the boat. Several design challenges are of interest - where do you put
the container?

*In the hull as low as possiable..At the end of this video you can see
the design, the container is to scale. The plan is to have lot's of
ballast (battery banks included).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrOAhKl3cZw

Interesting stuff. I look forward to seeing photos of the vessel.

Me too.

Joe

* *Justin.

--
Justin C, by the sea.

On Jan 3, 7:34*am, Joe wrote:
On Jan 2, 4:54*pm, Justin C wrote:

*Me too.
Joe


Hey JOe
I finally took a look at your lines.
Looks like ya got yourslf a modified gaff rigged Texas Scow Scooner.
Why the gaff rig? Because ya got a shallow draft boat with a drop
center board....... ?

1) why ya going with something so shallow. That rig wont point worth
****.

2) I emagin that center board aint worth much since your container is
sitting right on top of the CB trunk.

3) Most those "traditional working sail" designs have huge "barn door"
rudders but yours looks like a corn flake. Do you plan on just
motoring. I cant see how that litte rudder will be much use. But with
all those sails Id hope you could trim it to sail straght.

4) are you going for a media look to impress those who are not
familure with turn of the century working sail designs. Please dont
tell me your going to be in "undevelped harbors" seeking your coffee
and there for need a shallow draft center board. Why not use twin
LEEBOARDS? Or better yet, get an old gulf shrimper and stick a flag
pose in the middle of it and call it a sailboat.............

Howard I Cappell would roll over in his grave if he saw that *******
design..........

Good luck
Bob

"Joe" wrote in message
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http://galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?wcd=149551

Joe



Headway: Nearly two years ago today, the U.S. Coast Guard rescued Joe and
Terry Butcher, along with Joe's brother, Douglas Butcher, after their
sailboat, Red Cloud, was struck by 25-foot seas 200 miles offshore.

*** Lie #1 I saw the rescue vids and those little seas were fifteen feet
MAX! More like 10 footers with an occasional 15 footer thrown in.

Joe and Terry Butcher own El Lago Coffee Co. The trio had planned to deliver
10,000 pounds of coffee from Belize to Texas.

*** Lie #2 One does not deliver *from/to*. One can only deliver to.

Although Red Cloud was lost, the Butchers' are sailing ahead with the
business, this month announcing they'll begin selling El Lago coffee at
Arlan's Market, 514 Market St., in Galveston. The coffee sells well at Arlan's
Seabrook store, the Butchers said.

*** Lie #3 Red Cloud was not 'lost.' Red Cloud was abandoned and later
foundered. Prematurely abandoned at that. All because the crew was
frightened to death of fifteen foot seas.

Coffee sales will help to pay for the company's next sailing vessel. The
Butchers said their next boat is in the early design stages, possibly a
79-foot steel hull schooner that would carry one, 20-foot standard shipping
container, about 49,500 pounds of coffee, each trip. They said they want the
boat and their products to be eco-friendly.

*** Lie #4 Eco friendly my arse! They've been spouting that fantasy now
for years and eco-friendly has yet to happen. All the coffee they sell is
shipped via standard 'ungreen' ways and means.

Look for El Lago to pass out free samples of brewed coffee - including its
top seller, the "Boat Roast" - at the island Arlan's from 7 a.m. to about
noon Wednesday.

**** Whoop-de-doo! If it were so much in demand would they have to give it
away for free in the hopes people would feel some duty to buy some?


Wilbur Hubbard