On Nov 19, 12:35*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Someone here mentioned doing offshore oil work and I worked on drill
rigs in Wyoming when I was younger so thought it might be just what my
19 yr old son needs to get his head screwed on straight. *Make some
money, see what real work is, see how rough people can really be and
THEN go to college.
So, found him the ideal job, no experience needed, 20 days on 10 off,
they pay for room and board while on, reasonable pay, work on rear
deck of boats setting anchors for drill rigs. *They actually need
people. *Went home and told my son to go online and apply.
"NO WAY, I dont want to do that", he says. *"You just want to get rid
of me". *To which I say, "Yeah, and so what, it's good money and you
are hardly earning anything right now".
He resists saying he's taking classes at community college and does
earn some money but I say 6 hours a semester is BS. *I tell my wife
about this job and she sides with him saying "if he goes off on one of
those boats he'll lose his gf, you know how hard it was when you did
that stuff". *I think, being only 19, he needs to lose the gf so I am
going to apply more pressure.

RIP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQoRp...1&feature=fvwp

Joe

On Nov 20, 10:41*am, Joe wrote:
On Nov 19, 12:35*pm, Frogwatch wrote:



Someone here mentioned doing offshore oil work and I worked on drill
rigs in Wyoming when I was younger so thought it might be just what my
19 yr old son needs to get his head screwed on straight. *Make some
money, see what real work is, see how rough people can really be and
THEN go to college.
So, found him the ideal job, no experience needed, 20 days on 10 off,
they pay for room and board while on, reasonable pay, work on rear
deck of boats setting anchors for drill rigs. *They actually need
people. *Went home and told my son to go online and apply.
"NO WAY, I dont want to do that", he says. *"You just want to get rid
of me". *To which I say, "Yeah, and so what, it's good money and you
are hardly earning anything right now".
He resists saying he's taking classes at community college and does
earn some money but I say 6 hours a semester is BS. *I tell my wife
about this job and she sides with him saying "if he goes off on one of
those boats he'll lose his gf, you know how hard it was when you did
that stuff". *I think, being only 19, he needs to lose the gf so I am
going to apply more pressure.

RIPhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQoRpJsrwsU&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Joe

I spent several years being a drill stem tester and loved and hated
it. Because I had a BS in physics, the company had this weird idea
that I'd be great for all the truly f%$cked jobs so saw just about all
the crazy things that can happen. After a week, I never let anyone
know I had ever been anywhere near a university, It was dangerous,
hard and exciting and a I learned a lot about people AND earned money
for grad school. It was a job meant for high school level people, not
for a techie type but it was something I will always be happy I did.
I saw well blow outs, I saw a rig destroyed when the company insisted
on pulling pipe full of mud filled with gas. I saw pipe stands fall
on people on the rig floor, wireline with 4000lbs tension broke 6'
from my head when I was dangling 90' off the rig floor in a sling
holding a 48' pipe wrench, pipe differentially stuck so bad it had to
be cut off, watched a hand fall thru the fingerboard from unexpected
H2S, my gas mask was my best friend, and on and on and.....GREAT
experience.

On Nov 20, 10:14*am, Frogwatch wrote:
On Nov 20, 10:41*am, Joe wrote:





On Nov 19, 12:35*pm, Frogwatch wrote:

Someone here mentioned doing offshore oil work and I worked on drill
rigs in Wyoming when I was younger so thought it might be just what my
19 yr old son needs to get his head screwed on straight. *Make some
money, see what real work is, see how rough people can really be and
THEN go to college.
So, found him the ideal job, no experience needed, 20 days on 10 off,
they pay for room and board while on, reasonable pay, work on rear
deck of boats setting anchors for drill rigs. *They actually need
people. *Went home and told my son to go online and apply.
"NO WAY, I dont want to do that", he says. *"You just want to get rid
of me". *To which I say, "Yeah, and so what, it's good money and you
are hardly earning anything right now".
He resists saying he's taking classes at community college and does
earn some money but I say 6 hours a semester is BS. *I tell my wife
about this job and she sides with him saying "if he goes off on one of
those boats he'll lose his gf, you know how hard it was when you did
that stuff". *I think, being only 19, he needs to lose the gf so I am
going to apply more pressure.

RIPhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQoRpJsrwsU&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Joe

I spent several years being a drill stem tester and loved and hated
it. *Because I had a BS *in physics, the company had this weird idea
that I'd be great for all the truly f%$cked jobs so saw just about all
the crazy things that can happen. *After a week, I never let anyone
know I had ever been anywhere near a university, *It was dangerous,
hard and exciting and a I learned a lot about people AND earned money
for grad school. *It was a job meant for high school level people, not
for a techie type but it was something I will always be happy I did.
I saw well blow outs, I saw a rig destroyed when the company insisted
on pulling pipe full of mud filled with gas. *I saw pipe stands fall
on people on the rig floor, *wireline with 4000lbs tension broke 6'
from my head when I was dangling 90' off the rig floor in a sling
holding a 48' pipe wrench, pipe differentially stuck so bad it had to
be cut off, watched a hand fall thru the fingerboard from unexpected
H2S, my gas mask was my best friend, and on and on and.....GREAT
experience.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not saying it is not the right step for your son. But if he were
not a big burly football player type it might be best to avoid the
anchor boats as a first gig offshore. I would have a hard time working
anchors not knowing and trusting the crew. If the boat is setting
semi anchors you are talking about 35 thousand lbs racing down the
deck, and things that get into the way do not exist.

I've never worked on a rig, been on a 100 of em, mostly PR and crew
changes but never stayed long. We worked a H2S rig once and it's scary
stuff for the boats, as the gas is heavier than air. They even made
sure you had intact eardrums as it could seep in that way and kill
you. We made a point to stay up wind.

Joe

On Nov 20, 11:31*am, Joe wrote:
On Nov 20, 10:14*am, Frogwatch wrote:



On Nov 20, 10:41*am, Joe wrote:

On Nov 19, 12:35*pm, Frogwatch wrote:

Someone here mentioned doing offshore oil work and I worked on drill
rigs in Wyoming when I was younger so thought it might be just what my
19 yr old son needs to get his head screwed on straight. *Make some
money, see what real work is, see how rough people can really be and
THEN go to college.
So, found him the ideal job, no experience needed, 20 days on 10 off,
they pay for room and board while on, reasonable pay, work on rear
deck of boats setting anchors for drill rigs. *They actually need
people. *Went home and told my son to go online and apply.
"NO WAY, I dont want to do that", he says. *"You just want to get rid
of me". *To which I say, "Yeah, and so what, it's good money and you
are hardly earning anything right now".
He resists saying he's taking classes at community college and does
earn some money but I say 6 hours a semester is BS. *I tell my wife
about this job and she sides with him saying "if he goes off on one of
those boats he'll lose his gf, you know how hard it was when you did
that stuff". *I think, being only 19, he needs to lose the gf so I am
going to apply more pressure.

RIPhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQoRpJsrwsU&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Joe

I spent several years being a drill stem tester and loved and hated
it. *Because I had a BS *in physics, the company had this weird idea
that I'd be great for all the truly f%$cked jobs so saw just about all
the crazy things that can happen. *After a week, I never let anyone
know I had ever been anywhere near a university, *It was dangerous,
hard and exciting and a I learned a lot about people AND earned money
for grad school. *It was a job meant for high school level people, not
for a techie type but it was something I will always be happy I did.
I saw well blow outs, I saw a rig destroyed when the company insisted
on pulling pipe full of mud filled with gas. *I saw pipe stands fall
on people on the rig floor, *wireline with 4000lbs tension broke 6'
from my head when I was dangling 90' off the rig floor in a sling
holding a 48' pipe wrench, pipe differentially stuck so bad it had to
be cut off, watched a hand fall thru the fingerboard from unexpected
H2S, my gas mask was my best friend, and on and on and.....GREAT
experience.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

*I'm not saying it is not the right step for your son. But if he were
not a big burly football player type it might be best to avoid the
anchor boats as a first gig offshore. I would have a hard time working
anchors not knowing and trusting the crew. *If the boat is setting
semi anchors you are talking about 35 thousand lbs racing down the
deck, and things that get into the way do not exist.

*I've never worked on a rig, been on a 100 of em, mostly PR and crew
changes but never stayed long. We worked a H2S rig once and it's scary
stuff for the boats, as the gas is heavier than air. They even made
sure you had intact eardrums as it could seep in that way and kill
you. We made a point to stay up wind.

Joe

There are probably some jobs he could do as an unskilled healthy 19 yr
old guy. Things have probably changed since I last did this stuff.
Do they still use manual pipe tongs? I heard they were going to power
tongs to tighten joints. I have also heard that "throwing the chain"
is illegal to thread the joints together. Do they still use
floorhands to handle pipe?

On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:41:41 -0800 (PST), Joe
wrote:

RIP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQoRp...1&feature=fvwp

I understand that the capsize was caused by the tug getting sideways
to the pull of the cable, but what was the underlying reason that it
got sideways in the first place?

On Nov 20, 11:00*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:41:41 -0800 (PST), Joe

wrote:
RIP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQoRp...1&feature=fvwp

I understand that the capsize was caused by the tug getting sideways
to the pull of the cable, but what was the underlying reason that it
got sideways in the first place?

Current and wind. Then trying to work the load up current and wind,
and shifting the tow heads on the stern to the load side is puzzeling.
I'm sure he did it to help turn the bow upwind, current, but it was a
bad move. He should have started over.

Joe

I understand that the capsize was caused by the tug getting sideways
to the pull of the cable, but what was the underlying reason that it
got sideways in the first place?


Current and wind. Then trying to work the load up current and wind,
and shifting the tow heads on the stern to the load side is puzzeling.
I'm sure he did it to help turn the bow upwind, current, but it was a
bad move. He should have started over.
Joe


Joe my master mariner.........

Are you suggesting operator error that included failure to controll
vessel/tow?
Bob
LIVE FROM LA (as in California for those with limitted travel
experince)

On Nov 20, 3:38*pm, Bob wrote:
I understand that the capsize was caused by the tug getting sideways
to the pull of the cable, but what was the underlying reason that it
got sideways in the first place?
Current and wind. Then trying to work the load up current and wind,
and shifting the tow heads on the stern to the load side is puzzeling.
I'm sure he did it to help turn the bow upwind, current, but it was a
bad move. He should have started over.
Joe

Joe my master mariner.........

Are you suggesting operator error that included failure to controll
vessel/tow?
Bob
LIVE FROM LA (as in California for those with limitted travel
experince)

I dont know boB, just saw the you-tube video. And with no narration I
may have rushed to a conclusion. Bet it was a combo of many many
things that lead up to the loss. Could be equipment failure, mis-
communications, operator error, flukes and gremlins, or a combo of any
and all. I would bet by now you could Google up some official info if
you were really interested.

Joe

On Nov 20, 6:25*pm, Joe wrote:
On Nov 20, 3:38*pm, Bob wrote:



I understand that the capsize was caused by the tug getting sideways
to the pull of the cable, but what was the underlying reason that it
got sideways in the first place?
Current and wind. Then trying to work the load up current and wind,
and shifting the tow heads on the stern to the load side is puzzeling..
I'm sure he did it to help turn the bow upwind, current, but it was a
bad move. He should have started over.
Joe

Joe my master mariner.........

Are you suggesting operator error that included failure to controll
vessel/tow?
Bob
LIVE FROM LA (as in California for those with limitted travel
experince)

*I dont know boB, just saw the you-tube video. And with no narration I
may have rushed to a conclusion. Bet it was a combo of many many
things that lead up to the loss. Could be equipment failure, mis-
communications, operator error, flukes and gremlins, or a combo of any
and all. I would bet by now you could Google up some official info if
you were really interested.

Joe

Regardless, it was a bad situation where probably all and none are to
blame.