On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:39:09 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:



Altruism? Whats that?

What you'll tell your wife.

--Vic

On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:58:22 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

For O/B sailboats.
A 50-80 Amp alternator on a 9-15 hp OB.

Sailors often carry a Honda EU1000-2000 to provide juice at anchor.
Though not real loud, they can be an irritation to nearby boats,
especially big boats using big watercooled internal gensets that don't
make much outside noise. Some of those owners think the Honda's
should be outlawed at anchorages. Can't say I blame them for feeling
that way.
Biggest problem with the Honda EU1000-2000's is they are air-cooled
noisy and relatively low hp, maybe 5 hp or so.
They have to spin up pretty high under load.
Another issue is they exhaust to the air.

The OB manufacturers could come up with the suggested option, but
given the marketplace and engineering considerations, they are not.
A retrofit kit might sell and be a profitable venture.
The heavy alt on the OB could be regulated to limit alt drag while
underway, perhaps automatically/manually dialed adjustment, or perhaps
detached and stowed.
So in port or when otherwise needed you have a "quiet" water-cooled
9-15 hp genset in the same package as your propulsion motor.
A mounted kicker OB doing gen duty is another possibility.
There are obvious issues with cowling size, pulleys and electrical
connections.
Perhaps with salt water intrusion.
Maybe a heavier electrical plug to the boat system while in port.
OEM O/B warranty is gone of course.
Don't know. That's why I'm leaving it in your inventive hands.
Let me know what you think. Anybody. I'm sure I'm not the first to
think about this.

--Vic

A sailboat in the size range that would have an outboard, does not
usually have the sort of systems aboard that would require all that
power. Nor would they want them.

The exception might be multihulls, but those are closer to power boats
in many respects, including the personality types that are drawn to
them.

Vic Smith wrote:
For O/B sailboats.
A 50-80 Amp alternator on a 9-15 hp OB.

Sailors often carry a Honda EU1000-2000 to provide juice at anchor.
Though not real loud, they can be an irritation to nearby boats,
especially big boats using big watercooled internal gensets that don't
make much outside noise. Some of those owners think the Honda's
should be outlawed at anchorages.

What's with Honda's being the bad guy? Why mention Honda? These
generators are made by a variety of manufacturers.

I would say Honda generators aren't the problem, it's the construction
site type generators that are the problem. You know the ones.

I use an inverter, four golf cart batteries for the house bank, and have
a large alternator on the main engine. I'm good for 4 days on the hook,
no charging, and the ice cream is hard enough to bend a spoon. I use
electricity exactly the same at anchor that I use it at the dock.

Occasionally, with an hour or two of charging, I have a full tank of hot
water for showers, and topped off batteries.

A separate generator is not necessary as far as I can see. Not even
desirable.

Big, water cooled internal generators that run all day and night are
very annoying to me. Shut the damn thing off and shut off some lights.

Everyone who thinks they have to run their generator to make coffee is
the problem.

Jim wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
For O/B sailboats.
A 50-80 Amp alternator on a 9-15 hp OB.

Sailors often carry a Honda EU1000-2000 to provide juice at anchor.
Though not real loud, they can be an irritation to nearby boats,
especially big boats using big watercooled internal gensets that don't
make much outside noise. Some of those owners think the Honda's
should be outlawed at anchorages.

What's with Honda's being the bad guy? Why mention Honda? These
generators are made by a variety of manufacturers.

I would say Honda generators aren't the problem, it's the construction
site type generators that are the problem. You know the ones.

I use an inverter, four golf cart batteries for the house bank, and have
a large alternator on the main engine. I'm good for 4 days on the hook,
no charging, and the ice cream is hard enough to bend a spoon. I use
electricity exactly the same at anchor that I use it at the dock.

Occasionally, with an hour or two of charging, I have a full tank of hot
water for showers, and topped off batteries.

A separate generator is not necessary as far as I can see. Not even
desirable.

Big, water cooled internal generators that run all day and night are
very annoying to me. Shut the damn thing off and shut off some lights.

Everyone who thinks they have to run their generator to make coffee is
the problem.

What do you do when it's 105 degrees at midnight?

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:25:42 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:


What do you do when it's 105 degrees at midnight?

I was thinking about you being down there in Texas and wonder how you
handle exactly that.

--Vic

"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
Jim wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
For O/B sailboats.
A 50-80 Amp alternator on a 9-15 hp OB.

Sailors often carry a Honda EU1000-2000 to provide juice at anchor.
Though not real loud, they can be an irritation to nearby boats,
especially big boats using big watercooled internal gensets that don't
make much outside noise. Some of those owners think the Honda's
should be outlawed at anchorages.

What's with Honda's being the bad guy? Why mention Honda? These
generators are made by a variety of manufacturers.

I would say Honda generators aren't the problem, it's the construction
site type generators that are the problem. You know the ones.

I use an inverter, four golf cart batteries for the house bank, and have
a large alternator on the main engine. I'm good for 4 days on the hook,
no charging, and the ice cream is hard enough to bend a spoon. I use
electricity exactly the same at anchor that I use it at the dock.

Occasionally, with an hour or two of charging, I have a full tank of hot
water for showers, and topped off batteries.

A separate generator is not necessary as far as I can see. Not even
desirable.

Big, water cooled internal generators that run all day and night are very
annoying to me. Shut the damn thing off and shut off some lights.

Everyone who thinks they have to run their generator to make coffee is
the problem.

What do you do when it's 105 degrees at midnight?


Sweat.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
Jim wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
For O/B sailboats.
A 50-80 Amp alternator on a 9-15 hp OB.

Sailors often carry a Honda EU1000-2000 to provide juice at anchor.
Though not real loud, they can be an irritation to nearby boats,
especially big boats using big watercooled internal gensets that don't
make much outside noise. Some of those owners think the Honda's
should be outlawed at anchorages.
What's with Honda's being the bad guy? Why mention Honda? These
generators are made by a variety of manufacturers.

I would say Honda generators aren't the problem, it's the construction
site type generators that are the problem. You know the ones.

I use an inverter, four golf cart batteries for the house bank, and have
a large alternator on the main engine. I'm good for 4 days on the hook,
no charging, and the ice cream is hard enough to bend a spoon. I use
electricity exactly the same at anchor that I use it at the dock.

Occasionally, with an hour or two of charging, I have a full tank of hot
water for showers, and topped off batteries.

A separate generator is not necessary as far as I can see. Not even
desirable.

Big, water cooled internal generators that run all day and night are very
annoying to me. Shut the damn thing off and shut off some lights.

Everyone who thinks they have to run their generator to make coffee is
the problem.
What do you do when it's 105 degrees at midnight?


Sweat.


Or mount the AC and run the generator - like everybody else would do - if they
were out here...

"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
Jim wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
For O/B sailboats.
A 50-80 Amp alternator on a 9-15 hp OB.

Sailors often carry a Honda EU1000-2000 to provide juice at anchor.
Though not real loud, they can be an irritation to nearby boats,
especially big boats using big watercooled internal gensets that don't
make much outside noise. Some of those owners think the Honda's
should be outlawed at anchorages.
What's with Honda's being the bad guy? Why mention Honda? These
generators are made by a variety of manufacturers.

I would say Honda generators aren't the problem, it's the construction
site type generators that are the problem. You know the ones.

I use an inverter, four golf cart batteries for the house bank, and
have a large alternator on the main engine. I'm good for 4 days on the
hook, no charging, and the ice cream is hard enough to bend a spoon. I
use electricity exactly the same at anchor that I use it at the dock.

Occasionally, with an hour or two of charging, I have a full tank of
hot water for showers, and topped off batteries.

A separate generator is not necessary as far as I can see. Not even
desirable.

Big, water cooled internal generators that run all day and night are
very annoying to me. Shut the damn thing off and shut off some lights.

Everyone who thinks they have to run their generator to make coffee is
the problem.
What do you do when it's 105 degrees at midnight?


Sweat.


Or mount the AC and run the generator - like everybody else would do - if
they were out here...



My second answer was, "Don't be there."

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:57:27 -0700, Jim wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
For O/B sailboats.
A 50-80 Amp alternator on a 9-15 hp OB.

Sailors often carry a Honda EU1000-2000 to provide juice at anchor.
Though not real loud, they can be an irritation to nearby boats,
especially big boats using big watercooled internal gensets that don't
make much outside noise. Some of those owners think the Honda's
should be outlawed at anchorages.

What's with Honda's being the bad guy? Why mention Honda? These
generators are made by a variety of manufacturers.

That's the one usually mentioned, because they are the most common,
because from most accounts they are the best. Wasn't knocking Honda.
That's what I'd get.

I would say Honda generators aren't the problem, it's the construction
site type generators that are the problem. You know the ones.

Mind you, I know about this only from reading, and the Honda's are
sometimes specifically mentioned.

I use an inverter, four golf cart batteries for the house bank, and have
a large alternator on the main engine. I'm good for 4 days on the hook,
no charging, and the ice cream is hard enough to bend a spoon. I use
electricity exactly the same at anchor that I use it at the dock.

I'd have a similar setup on a bigger boat with an internal diesel.
And also have solar and perhaps wind.
But my boating plans will likely end with OB power, and my post about
OB's with better charging output was in that vein. That way I could
easily do without a dedicated generator.

Occasionally, with an hour or two of charging, I have a full tank of hot
water for showers, and topped off batteries.

A separate generator is not necessary as far as I can see. Not even
desirable.

I agree "not desirable." The "not necessary" is harder to pin down.
I don't know where you boat/sail, but reading journals of Caribbean
and Florida cruisers (Florida is where I'll be) there are plenty of
complaints about droning generators running almost constantly,
including all night.
The heat can be brutal, and though my wife is hardy, it may be
necessary to provide a respite with A/C. Not that I don't appreciate
a cooling off myself, but with her no respite from sweating could be a
deal killer.
My intent there is to use the smallest home unit and cool only a berth
area. How I would do that is another subject.
But having limited A/C was the reason behind my initial post.
Duty cycle would be light, but the amps might be impossible to
replace practically with a small OB alternator.

Big, water cooled internal generators that run all day and night are
very annoying to me. Shut the damn thing off and shut off some lights.

Yet those running them often complain about the gas generators on
decks, and say their gensets are almost dead silent.

Everyone who thinks they have to run their generator to make coffee is
the problem.

Add TV's, microwaves, walk-in reefers, etc.
Not anything I want to do. But I appreciate a good night's sleep
at less than 90 degrees.
BTW, if you search a bit for Hondas and cruisers, you might be
surprised to find how many small sailboats with alts attached to
diesels use the Honda's often enough because they don't want to run
the inboard, for one reason or another.
So though you and I may agree about keeping electric power consumption
low, others disagree.
I wonder how the Texans and other gulf cruisers handle the heat when
they cruise if they don't have A/C.
For a short trip sleeping on deck is a possibility, but I think when
you get to week you want to dive into a cool berth when nightime
temps stay high, below decks is hotter, and it's raining.
I'm willing to torture myself a bit - but I'm a man.
My wife has a different psychological makeup.
Thank God for that!

--Vic

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:48:52 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I wonder how the Texans and other gulf cruisers handle the heat when
they cruise if they don't have A/C.

That's a good question and I can partially answer it - A/C. My son
has been using the Grady which has A/C in the step down. From what
he's told me, it gets hot there even at night when the temps are in
the high 70s. No cross ventilation in the cuddy. I can speak to the
cuddy being a little uncomfortable when I took it down to Charleston a
couple of months ago.

http://www.gradywhite.com/336/ - click on the cabin tour.

And we've got a Honda EU3000i on the boat to run the A/C.

I'll give you a personal evaluation when I go down in August. :)

For a short trip sleeping on deck is a possibility, but I think when
you get to week you want to dive into a cool berth when nightime
temps stay high, below decks is hotter, and it's raining.
I'm willing to torture myself a bit - but I'm a man.

Not me. My physiological heat control circled the bowl in SEA and only
got worse when I lived down South for a few years in MS and LA. I hate
the cold and I hate the heat.

I'm only comfortable between the temperatures of 68 and 80 degrees
which means I probably should move to Hawaii. :)