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Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
Some time ago there was a discussion of the stainless properties of stainless steel: *** If you have a stainless steel bucket, then you are in a position to do a little experiment then. One you are convinced will be harmless even. Half fill the bucket over the side of your boat, and leave it on deck - half full, untouched, unstirred. What could be easier? Let us know how long it takes for the bucket to dry out..... (one way or another! :-)* * * * I decided to try out the suggestion and filled a stainless steel mixing bowl (my wife's actually) with tap water, wrapping it with saran wrap to eliminate stray air currents and prevent evaporation as much as possible, and placing it in a spare room where it has been stationary for two weeks. Today I emptied the water and inspected the bowl. I poured the water out and carefully (so as not to destroy evidence) wiped the interior with a paper towel to dry it - the results? None. The dry bowl evidences no marks, discoloration, nothing to indicate that it ever had water in it. Another urban myth destroyed. Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok Ah those stupid jerks, writing up some story in a rag called Science - whatever THAT means! I'll write to tell them to straighten out their act, now somebody has done a REAL experiment. * * This is what they wrote, back in 2004: * * Sudden Onset of Pitting Corrosion on Stainless Steel as a Critical Phenomenon C. Punckt,1 M. Bölscher,1 H. H. Rotermund,1 A. S. Mikhailov,1 L. Organ,2 N. Budiansky,3 J. R. Scully,3 J. L. Hudson2* Stainless steels undergo a sharp rise in pitting corrosion rate as the potential, solution concentration, or temperature is changed only slightly. We report experiments using real-time microscopic in situ visualizations that resolve the nucleation and evolution of individual pits during the transition. They suggest that the sudden onset of corrosion is explained by an explosive autocatalytic growth in the number of metastable pits and that stabilization of individual pits takes place only later. This finding agrees with a theoretical approach treating the onset of pitting corrosion as a cooperative critical phenomenon resulting from interactions among metastable pits, and it extends perspectives on the control and prevention of corrosion onset. 1 Abteilung Physikalische Chemie, Fritz-Haber-Institut der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft, Faradayweg 4-6, 14195 Berlin, Germany. 2 Department of Chemical Engineering, 102 Engineers' Way, University of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA 22904–4741, USA. 3 Department of Material Science and Engineering, 102 Engineers' Way, University of Virginia, Charlottesville, VA 22904–4741, USA. * To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail: "All commonly used stainless steels and other passive-film–forming metals, which are designed to be corrosion-resistant, can nevertheless undergo localized pitting corrosion, which rapidly leads to their failure. The total annual costs due to corrosion in the United States are estimated at 3% of the gross national product (1), and a third of chemical plant failures are attributed to localized corrosion (2). Localized corrosion is preceded by the appearance of metastable pits: tiny corrosion seeds the size of a few micrometers developing on the metal surface, which is naturally protected by an oxide layer. Each pit produces a small spike of a few seconds duration in the electrical current, indicating an anodic reaction, and the spike then dies out. Experimental and theoretical studies have largely clarified the mechanism for the initiation of these microscopic pits as being caused by localized electrodissolution of metal at surface defects and inclusions (3–8). Pitting corrosion shows a sharp rise in corrosion rate that occurs with only a small change in conditions, such as applied potential, corrodant concentrations, or temperature (9). This corresponds to a sudden transition from a low-activity regime with a few metastable pits to a state with high pitting activity (10, 11). The transition has been explained by a stabilization of individual pits (12). As an alternate explanation, we suggest that the onset of pitting corrosion represents a cooperative critical phenomenon. In previous investigations, temporal statistical correlations between the spikes in the total current have been found (13, 14), indicating some memory in the pitting process (15). A stochastic spatiotemporal model of the corrosion onset has been proposed (16). According to this model, electrochemical reactions at a metastable pit change ion concentrations and weaken the protective film over defect sites. Each pit enhances the probability of appearance of further pits at defect sites within a wide zone of weakened film around it. We show below that autocatalytic reproduction of pits can take place. Sudden transitions are thus associated with an explosive growth in the number of active pits. Stabilization of individual pits would occur only after the transition. /and so on/ :-) Regards Brian W P.S. Perhaps adding salt, or even doing as suggested, and filling with water from the harbor might have a different outcome. Who knows? |
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On Fri, 15 May 2009 22:12:37 -0500, Brian Whatcott
wrote: Bruce in Bangkok wrote: Some time ago there was a discussion of the stainless properties of stainless steel: *** If you have a stainless steel bucket, then you are in a position to do a little experiment then. One you are convinced will be harmless even. Half fill the bucket over the side of your boat, and leave it on deck - half full, untouched, unstirred. What could be easier? Let us know how long it takes for the bucket to dry out..... (one way or another! :-)* * * * I decided to try out the suggestion and filled a stainless steel mixing bowl (my wife's actually) with tap water, wrapping it with saran wrap to eliminate stray air currents and prevent evaporation as much as possible, and placing it in a spare room where it has been stationary for two weeks. Today I emptied the water and inspected the bowl. I poured the water out and carefully (so as not to destroy evidence) wiped the interior with a paper towel to dry it - the results? None. The dry bowl evidences no marks, discoloration, nothing to indicate that it ever had water in it. Another urban myth destroyed. Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok Ah those stupid jerks, writing up some story in a rag called Science - whatever THAT means! I'll write to tell them to straighten out their act, now somebody has done a REAL experiment. * * You will, I hope, note that I never argued that stainless would not corrode in the presence of "stale" water, for want of a better word. Only that a bucket of water would not corrode "over night", as it were. which it didn't. Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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