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A hole in the rudder.
The recent rescue of the British couple has put emergency steering firmly
on my radar screen. I have three different ways to turn my rudder stock but there is still the issue of internal failure at the weld where the internal steel plates attach to the stock. This simple expedient will give me something to work with if that should ever happen. http://www.rogerlongboats.com/09Misc.htm#Hole My rudder is configured so that internal failure will probably leave it still attached to the boat. -- Roger Long |
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A hole in the rudder.
On Feb 26, 10:34*am, "Roger Long" wrote:
The recent rescue of the British couple has put emergency steering *firmly on my radar screen. *I have three different ways to turn my rudder stock but there is still the issue of internal failure at the weld where the internal steel plates attach to the stock. *This simple expedient will give me something to work with if that should ever happen. http://www.rogerlongboats.com/09Misc.htm#Hole My rudder is configured so that internal failure will probably leave it still attached to the boat. -- Roger Long Greetings Roger, Good ideal. I have some friends who took off several years ago cruising. The first major repair was just what you described. He has a P-40 and the steel frame welded to a stainless shaft in the rudder corroded out leaving the glass skin spinning on the stock. http://www.synamaste.com/Log%20Pages...y%20Marina.htm Water dripping out of a rudder give me the willies, recipe for disaster. Joe |
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A hole in the rudder.
"Joe" wrote
Water dripping out of a rudder give me the willies, recipe for disaster. According to two boatyards I've talked to, it's far more common than you would think. They say the only foam and glass rudders that don't have some water in them are the ones where no holes have been drilled to check. Considering the strains and the nature of the materials and interface where the stock enters, I think water intrusion is pretty much inevitible with conventional construction. Only something like leaving a space in the foam and injecting something tenacious and resiliant like 5200 around the places where the shaft enters is likely to keep water out. My rudder was in fresh water until 2005 so I'm not as concerned about it as I might be. However, I do plan to remove and rebuild it before too many years. -- Roger Long |
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A hole in the rudder.
On Feb 26, 11:15*am, "Roger Long" wrote:
"Joe" wrote Water dripping out of a rudder give me the willies, recipe for disaster.. According to two boatyards I've talked to, it's far more common than you would think. *They say the only foam and glass rudders that don't have some water in them are the ones where no holes have been drilled to check. Considering the strains and the nature of the materials and interface where the stock enters, I think water intrusion is pretty much inevitible with conventional construction. *Only something like leaving a space in the foam and injecting something tenacious and resiliant like 5200 around the places where the shaft enters is likely to keep water out. My rudder was in fresh water until 2005 so I'm not as concerned about it as I might be. *However, I do plan to remove and rebuild it before too many years. -- Roger Long Hollow steel rudder filled with antifreeze is a good way to go. Joe |
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A hole in the rudder.
"Roger Long" wrote in
: The recent rescue of the British couple has put emergency steering firmly on my radar screen. I have three different ways to turn my rudder stock but there is still the issue of internal failure at the weld where the internal steel plates attach to the stock. This simple expedient will give me something to work with if that should ever happen. http://www.rogerlongboats.com/09Misc.htm#Hole My rudder is configured so that internal failure will probably leave it still attached to the boat. -- Roger Long I met a guy in the harbor with a lost rudder on a small sailboat, probably 26', don't remember the brand. He just lost it...the post was still there. He was going crazy trying to figure out how to turn the boat without it. "Did you try turning the outboard motor on the stern?", I queried, to his astonished face..... I wasn't really trying to be a smartass, but sometimes nature just hands you the ultimate joke and you can't help but respond! |
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A hole in the rudder.
"Larry" wrote in message
... "Roger Long" wrote in : The recent rescue of the British couple has put emergency steering firmly on my radar screen. I have three different ways to turn my rudder stock but there is still the issue of internal failure at the weld where the internal steel plates attach to the stock. This simple expedient will give me something to work with if that should ever happen. http://www.rogerlongboats.com/09Misc.htm#Hole My rudder is configured so that internal failure will probably leave it still attached to the boat. -- Roger Long I met a guy in the harbor with a lost rudder on a small sailboat, probably 26', don't remember the brand. He just lost it...the post was still there. He was going crazy trying to figure out how to turn the boat without it. "Did you try turning the outboard motor on the stern?", I queried, to his astonished face..... I wasn't really trying to be a smartass, but sometimes nature just hands you the ultimate joke and you can't help but respond! I almost lost my rudder on my Cal 20. I pulled pulled the pins that held the pintles in the gudgeons for some reason I can't remember and forgot to put them back in. A couple of minutes later the tiller got a bit taller, as it worked its way out, then started to leave the boat. I had all I could do to hold on and haul it back in. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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A hole in the rudder.
"Capt. JG" wrote in
: I almost lost my rudder on my Cal 20. I pulled pulled the pins that held the pintles in the gudgeons for some reason I can't remember and forgot to put them back in. A couple of minutes later the tiller got a bit taller, as it worked its way out, then started to leave the boat. I had all I could do to hold on and haul it back in. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com That sorta reminds me of a friend leaving the brand new giant solar panel laying on top of the old solar panel...forgetting it was up there until the boat heeled over and they all watched it diving into the harbor.....true story....(c;] In 40' of water, not much left to find we figured..... |
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A hole in the rudder.
"Larry" wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote in : I almost lost my rudder on my Cal 20. I pulled pulled the pins that held the pintles in the gudgeons for some reason I can't remember and forgot to put them back in. A couple of minutes later the tiller got a bit taller, as it worked its way out, then started to leave the boat. I had all I could do to hold on and haul it back in. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com That sorta reminds me of a friend leaving the brand new giant solar panel laying on top of the old solar panel...forgetting it was up there until the boat heeled over and they all watched it diving into the harbor.....true story....(c;] In 40' of water, not much left to find we figured..... That musta been an expensive mistake. My rudder (without the tiller) would have been about $400, if I could find one. At one point I checked. It was a strange feeling... tiller started to lift slightly, which I didn't really recognize as a problem in the moment. Then, it got shorter. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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A hole in the rudder.
Roger Long wrote:
The recent rescue of the British couple has put emergency steering firmly on my radar screen. I have three different ways to turn my rudder stock but there is still the issue of internal failure at the weld where the internal steel plates attach to the stock. This simple expedient will give me something to work with if that should ever happen. http://www.rogerlongboats.com/09Misc.htm#Hole My rudder is configured so that internal failure will probably leave it still attached to the boat. -- Roger Long Well, you made me look. My rudder already has a hole as you describe. I now have: Wheel steering with cable and quadrant block Tiller back up, nice long tiller too Auxillary rudder style wind vane Hole in the rudder for a rope Steel rudder supported by steel skeg. I think I'm good to go on that one. |
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A hole in the rudder.
"hpeer" wrote in message
... Roger Long wrote: The recent rescue of the British couple has put emergency steering firmly on my radar screen. I have three different ways to turn my rudder stock but there is still the issue of internal failure at the weld where the internal steel plates attach to the stock. This simple expedient will give me something to work with if that should ever happen. http://www.rogerlongboats.com/09Misc.htm#Hole My rudder is configured so that internal failure will probably leave it still attached to the boat. -- Roger Long Well, you made me look. My rudder already has a hole as you describe. I now have: Wheel steering with cable and quadrant block Tiller back up, nice long tiller too Auxillary rudder style wind vane Hole in the rudder for a rope Steel rudder supported by steel skeg. I think I'm good to go on that one. You're going nowhere until you remove the jack stands and launch the boat. . .. Wilbur Hubbard |
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