See Rec boats response....should not waste cruising bandwidth on this
nonsense. .. Jim
"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
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Where's Jim Donahue when ya need him?


http://www.defensedaily.com/cgi/av/s...ontimeon.h tm

Steve

On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:11:06 -0700, "Jim Donohue"
wrote:

See Rec boats response....should not waste cruising bandwidth on this
nonsense. .. Jim

lol. Actually, I was just gonna post it to cruising since reliable
radio navigation is probably more important to cruisers than
recreational day boaters who stick to familiar waters.

Steve

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...
Where's Jim Donahue when ya need him?


http://www.defensedaily.com/cgi/av/s...ontimeon.h tm

Steve

Go to West Marine. Search on Loran. How may sets do you find Steve?
Dead...quite dead.
"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 19:11:06 -0700, "Jim Donohue"
wrote:

See Rec boats response....should not waste cruising bandwidth on this
nonsense. .. Jim

lol. Actually, I was just gonna post it to cruising since reliable
radio navigation is probably more important to cruisers than
recreational day boaters who stick to familiar waters.

Steve

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...
Where's Jim Donahue when ya need him?



http://www.defensedaily.com/cgi/av/s...04&file=decisi
ontimeon.htm

Steve

"Jim Donohue" writes:

Go to West Marine. Search on Loran. How may sets do you find Steve?

Go to froogle.google.com. Search on Loran. You can still buy
new Furuno Loran-C receivers (but not from West Marine). And
there are plenty of perfectly good units available on Ebay.

--lyndon

In deed you can. You can also find them at ham swap meets next to the old
boat anchor radios and at marine swap meets next to the 8 track stereos.

The point was not that they are unobtainable...but that the product has been
entirely abandoned by the leading retailers.

You can also find differential receivers...which will continue to be
marketed for the big boaters. But you will not find them for long on the
retailer shelves.

The thought that LORAN has some role as a backup to GPS in a military
jamming situation is pretty close to ludicrous. You really think the
electronic warfare guys are not going toimpact long wave? You think LORAN
is resistive of jamming?

Silliness...all silliness.

Jim
"Lyndon Nerenberg" wrote in message
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"Jim Donohue" writes:

Go to West Marine. Search on Loran. How may sets do you find Steve?

Go to froogle.google.com. Search on Loran. You can still buy
new Furuno Loran-C receivers (but not from West Marine). And
there are plenty of perfectly good units available on Ebay.

--lyndon

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:19:16 -0700, "Jim Donohue"
wrote:

In deed you can. You can also find them at ham swap meets next to the old
boat anchor radios and at marine swap meets next to the 8 track stereos.

The point was not that they are unobtainable...but that the product has been
entirely abandoned by the leading retailers.

Not entirely.
http://www.furuno.com/Furuno/Rooms/D...ED834C6A%5D%5D

But close. Which is what you'd expect for a system who's future was
seriously in doubt until recent interest in keeping it alive. The
current momentum to extend the life of LORAN only started in 2001.

The thought that LORAN has some role as a backup to GPS in a military
jamming situation is pretty close to ludicrous. You really think the
electronic warfare guys are not going toimpact long wave? You think LORAN
is resistive of jamming?

I guess you don't know very much about RF jamming then. If so, you'd
know it's MUCH easier to effectively jam a wide area if you only have to
jam one frequency with extremely weak signals on it than a wide spectrum
of RF with much stronger signals. So yes, LORAN is much more resistive
of jamming than GPS. Orders of magnitude more resistive of jamming.

Steve

"Jim Donohue" writes:

The thought that LORAN has some role as a backup to GPS in a military
jamming situation is pretty close to ludicrous. You really think the
electronic warfare guys are not going toimpact long wave?

Yes, that's what I think. GPS is useful in a military situation because
provides extremely high accuracy. Thus selective availability -- the
ability to remove that pinpoint accuracy on demand. Loran does not
provide the accuracy of GPS, therefore is cannot serve the same
military role. Thus there is no militarily-related reason to jam
Loran.

You think LORAN
is resistive of jamming?

No. What I think is there is no reason why the military would want
to.

--lyndon

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:04:08 -0700, "Jim Donohue"
wrote:

Go to West Marine. Search on Loran. How may sets do you find Steve?

There are plenty of places I can buy a LORAN set. I wouldn't get it
from West Marine in any case.

Steve