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Marty[_2_] January 12th 09 02:27 AM

The worst Democrat President
 
Larry wrote:
wrote in :

The problem, historically is that any time there is a cease fire for
any length of time, all it does is give the Palestinians an
opportunity to re-group and strengthen. Once they do that, it all
starts over again. That Israel is even occasionally stopping for a few
hours to let food and supplies into Gaza is a testament to thier
patience.



The cease fire NEVER stops the bulldozing and forced evictions and illegal
expansions of the Isreali settlers onto Palestinians' land, though, does


What happened in Gaza and large pieces of the West Bank in 2005?

Cheers
Martin

Gordon January 12th 09 02:30 AM

The worst Democrat President
 
Larry wrote:
katy wrote in news:496a0f87$0$9555
:

I think Israel has every right to retaliate agasinst an attack from
Hamas but I think she always goes way overboard and escalates things.

If
she just took care of the business at hand and then ledt it there
wouldn;t be so mnay problems. And I wish we would stay out of their
internal affairs. If Iran or Syria decied to go after Israel, then

that
would be another thing but messing about with Israel's border wars is
none of our business.



You boys been watching too much Zion TV, the American Zionist Networks.

Take the time out to view OCCUPATION 101. It's a great video library of
Zionist atrocities against the people of Palestine. You can't be that
stupid or brainwashed you can't view reality.


If it's on Youtube, it has to be true! Just as true as on TV.
G

Bruce In Bangkok January 12th 09 03:15 AM

The worst Democrat President
 
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:06:31 +0000, Larry wrote:

Bruce In Bangkok wrote in
:

Regarding the U.S.'s support of Israel, you are seeing Democracy in
action.... any group that controls a significant number of votes gets
noticed.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)



They don't need us voting for anyone any more. Both candidates work for
AIPAC, as do all the congressmen and senators. If you watch the video,
you'll hear a 22-year veteran congressman make the statement that noone
DARES to even discuss anything against what Israel wants. To do so is
political suicide. That's NOT democracy. Israel is a foreign power, the
7th most powerful force on the planet. It is NOT a tiny little country
trying to protect itself. It's a NUCLEAR power with a huge OFFENSIVE
military. What does a tiny country need with 963 F-16 fighter planes?

It doesn't, unless it is going to INVADE someone.



Exactly what I said -- if the Jewish block didn't control a
significant number of votes do you really think that anyone would
listen to them?

You do remember that the major thrust of the "black rights" campaign
was to register voters, don't you?
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Capt. JG January 12th 09 03:41 AM

The worst Democrat President
 
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
...

"Larry" wrote in message
...
"KLC Lewis" wrote in
et:

I am not your enemy, though I find some of your comments
about Israel utterly reprehensible.



At some point, making any comment will be illegal.


That was far closer to happening in the last eight years than it is likely
to be in the next four.



Exactly.

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Larry January 12th 09 03:56 AM

The worst Democrat President
 
"Capt. JG" wrote in
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So? Do you think the maniacs in power in Iran have world peace in

mind?



The maniacs in power in Iran are in a very poor position to attack
anyone. Take Google Earth to their air bases and have a look around. I
worked at Doshen-Tappeh IAFB in the NE quarter of Tehran under the Shah
in 1978-79. The biggest base in Tehran is virtually deserted...How can
I tell? NO CARS, NO TRUCKS, NO PLANES except the ones on static
display. There's no PEOPLE working on the base I worked at where you
could hardly find a parking space under the Shahanshah. Where are they?
Where are the planes? The can't fit in the hangars as there aren't any,
bunkers, either.

Boot Google Earth and tell it to find Bandar-e Khoumeyni, Iran, at the
headwaters of the Arabian Gulf. This is Iran's largest port. It's on a
large island directly upriver from the largest waterway at the head of
the Arabian Gulf. It has huge docks, tank farms, heavy industry, all
the things a heavy military machine needs. Zoom in close, Google has
high definition photos of it. What's missing? EVERYTHING. NO SHIPS,
NO TRUCKS on its roads or in its abandoned parking lots, NO SMOKE from
its chimneys, EVERYTHING on the island just reeks of ABANDONED. Outside
of a few rusting, abandoned hulks, rusting at the docks, there's
NOTHING! No huge freight car lines on the rusting tracks. Tracks that
are used are POLISHED, not rust colored. Follow the main road up the
East side of the neck off the island. You'll come to a huge factory
with a bright blue roof. Look over the whole complex. There are no
trucks, no people, no smoke from its stacks, it's ABANDONED. When I
lived there I flew in an Iranian C-130 ELINT aircraft over this place.
It was teeming with life under the Shah, tens of thousands worked here,
it stunk with industry you could see for miles downwind. Now it's DEAD.

Now, to the NE across the bay is another tankfarm/terminal. Zoom in on
it. There are two rusting hulks, one of them red at the otherwise
abandoned docks. Look closely at the tank farm...tanks are empty, their
roofs telescoped inside them. No cars/people/trucks/human
activity...abandoned.

Up a little canal behind this tank farm are two "marinas", or what pass
for marinas in Iran, I suppose. Zoom in close. Most boats lay on their
sides, ABANDONED, in the mud, Some look tied out. No cars, people,
abandoned. There's a little marina by the road to the left of the
canal. All the boats, some that look quite large, lay in the MUD,
ABANDONED. The Iranians abandoned all their finest sailboats to
convince Google Earth watchers that they are dirt poor and to hide these
"boat bombs" destined to attack Israel at a moments notice. Notice
nothing has come or gone since the MUD filled in the place. There's no
tracks where someone dragged a boat over the mud in shallow water. No
cars, no trucks, no people, Abandoned.

Let's go up into the town, Bandar-e Mahshahr. Half of it is in the high
res pictures. Zoom in real close and look for yourself. The
southernmost part of the town looks to be upper-middle-class homes, many
with swimming pools, parks, high rise apartment buildings, probably from
my experience built by the German engineers. Zoom way in so you can
look into the yards inside their nice walled gardens. What do you see?
See any cars?...no. See any people...no. Why are all the gardens BROWN
and DEAD? These are upper middle class people with walled gardens.
When I lived in Iran, those gardens were hand tended and lawns looked
like the putting greens at Augusta National at the beginning of the
Masters Tournament...lush...GREEN...WATERED. Look at the swimming
pools...EMPTY. There's not 10 cars in the WHOLE PLACE! Every Iranian I
ever met, even the poor ones had multiple cars. They LOVE cars. Gas
was so cheap, 3-5US cents/us gallon they drove around just for sport!
Look at these streets...ABANDONED, EMPTY. I found ONE blue bus on the
street that looks like it's in motion. ONE in a CITY?! Major traffic
circles on 4-land highways have 10-15 cars around them. This is a big
place! Where did everyone go?! Right up by the line between high res
and low rez Google photos, you'll find a big square with a street packed
with cars This would be the central market. There's a big bus terminal
with 2 blue busses. ALL the streets would be packed like this all over
an Iranian city of this size....not one or two. Run out on the East
side of town where the industry WAS. Zoom in close...ABANDONED. No
trucks parked all over and milling around, no cars, DEAD. Maybe they
all took the day off and moved up into the out-of-focus area where we
couldn't see them.....NOT.

Iranians are bordering on economic disaster. Cities all over the
country have this same Abandoned, shut-down look to them. Case in
point....

Go back down to the Gulf and follow the Shat-al-Arab waterway up along
the Iran-Iraq border and you come to Iran's boomtowns of Abadan and
Khorramshahr. This is Iran's Houston. Zoom in close to the massive
tank farm near the waterway on the South side of Abadan. See the
circles where the tanks WERE before the Iran-Iraq war? Why have they
not been rebuilt by this massive Iranian Military machine? Where are
all the tankers and other ships at the docks? There used to be many
more tank farms to the NW of there....gone.

See the airport between the cities? Boy that runway was a welcome site
when I landed there! The outboard starboard engine on our IAF C-130 had
a FIRE the extinguishers got out. The engine came apart inside
somehow....not good. We landed here and they flew down another plane
from Tehran, so we all got a great 3 day vacation in these two cities
during the BOOM TIMES. See any airplanes now? See the parking spaces
where the airplanes USED to park? See anyone at the airport? ABANDONED
comes to mind.... I see 3 cars in the parking lot of the main
terminal....THREE! It's been a while since anyone flew out of here.

Go towards Kharman from Khorramshahr. Half way between the Google names
is a massive port facility with deep water docks, massive warehouses,
storage yards for goods. Zoom in close. All the ships at the docks are
the rusting hulks blown up by the Iraqis during the war a LONG TIME AGO.
There are no cargo ships unloading tons and tons of stuff for Iran. The
warehouses have doors with no trailers at them because they must be
empty. There are thousands of trailers, however, parked all over the
place...but NO TRUCKS TO TOW THEM as there is nothing to tow. Why
didn't they rebuild their major ports on the Gulf? This place was
teeming with life in 1978 when I was there. Now....Abandoned.

There's a big Air Base at Tabareh at 30-50-50N by 49-32-20E. Let's go
see how much of a threat Iran is...militarily. This base guards the
waterway and a lot of Southern Iran from Iraqi attack. It guards the
Southern Flank! Zoom in close. Iran moved the entire air base out of
this location just so Map Data/Europa could take pictures that look like
it's completely ABANDONED. See the white plane on the tarmac. Zoom in
close. It HAS NO LEFT WING! Iran has not done a damned thing since the
Iraqis blew up this plane in the war WAY BACK WHEN? My Zionist TV in
America is telling me Iran is a "MAJOR THREAT TO THE REGION" with
"MASSIVE MILITARY MIGHT". If that's true why is this major military air
force base ABANDONED??

The major cities of the North, like Tehran and Tabriz and Mashad still
have a lot of cars in the streets. But, if you look at their INDUSTRY,
you get a horrible picture of closed factories, abandoned buildings,
etc. I'm looking, now, at the Mashad airport, which also is the air
base. Been there....in a C-130 with all the parts pulling together,
amazingly enough. Mashad is a fascinating old city full of friendly
people who don't get to see many Americans, even when I was there in
'78-'79. Man, hang onto your wallet in the central market! The
hagglars there make all the Tehran hagglars look like AMATEURS! I lost
a bundle and took home a pile, much to the amusement of the Iranian crew
flying the plane. The military post is in the north corner of the
airport. There ARE jets on the tarmac, finally! But, alas, look real
close...MANY of them have PARTS MISSING and look canibalized. There's
about 6 that look like they can fly, the grey painted ones. This is a
base? Where are the VEHICLES? WHERE ARE THE CARS? WHERE ARE THE
PEOPLE? It must be Friday and they're all at Mosque....yeah, that's it.

Dangerous people, these Iranians and their ABANDONED air bases. I
wonder how long it would take them to scramble 10 jets to ward off the
American Zionist invasion? The taxpayers should, too. The people in
the most danger are the ones off the end of the runways! Those planes
look SICK!

Like Iraq, Iran is absolutely NO THREAT to AMERICA on the other side of
the planet. If you find the massive military might on Google Earth
anywhere in the bankrupt country, post the lat/long and name of nearest
town so we all can see it. I'd love to know where all the AF and army
people I worked with are. They're certainly NOT anywhere near the base
IN THEIR CARS.




Larry January 12th 09 04:24 AM

The worst Democrat President
 
"Capt. JG" wrote in
:

Look what Hitler did in WWII...

http://isurvived.org/Holocaust-definition.html




Hitler's dead. So isn't Iran, mostly....very poor.

Why is it we ALWAYS hear about "The Holocaust" about Jews but never
about these:

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat2.htm
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat3.htm
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat4.htm
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat5.htm
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat6.htm
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat7.htm
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat8.htm

# Not The Enemy Media

* Killed through U.S. foreign policy since WWII: 10,774,706 to
16,856,361 (1945-May 2003)

# Rudolph J. Rummel, Death By Government

* "Democides" - Government inflicted deaths (1900-87)
o 169,198,000
o Including:
+ Communist Oppression: 110,286,000
+ Democratic democides: 2,028,000
* Not included among democides:
o Wars: 34,021,000
o Non-Democidal Famine (often including famines associated
with war and communist mismanagement):
+ China (1900-87): 49,275,000
+ Russia: (1921-47): 5,833,000
* Total:
o 258,327,000 for all the categories listed here."

Six millions Jews amounts to nothing compared to THIS.

What's most scary is the number of deaths in these pages that can be
DIRECTLY attributed to a difference of RELIGION. Religion is the
biggest weapon of mass destruction on the planet....yet not a single one
of its masters every goes on trial for these atrocities that have gone
on for thousands of years. Why?

Just further proof there IS NO GOD.....or he/she/it would STOP IT.


Larry January 12th 09 04:33 AM

The worst Democrat President
 
"KLC Lewis" wrote in
:


"Larry" wrote in message
...
"KLC Lewis" wrote in
et:

I am not your enemy, though I find some of your comments
about Israel utterly reprehensible.



At some point, making any comment will be illegal.


That was far closer to happening in the last eight years than it is
likely to be in the next four.




You got that right! Here's one of the camps they'll likely send us to:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...26260716604258

Larry January 12th 09 06:38 AM

The worst Democrat President
 
Marty wrote in
:

What happened in Gaza and large pieces of the West Bank in 2005?

Cheers
Martin



Israeli settlers were offered a large bribe to move out of Gaza from the
confiscated Gazan land after it was decided to turn Gaza into a
concentration camp trying to keep Hamas from being elected. They moved,
but it didn't work. Hamas was elected, anyway.

If you'll refer to the movie I posted, there is a large map showing the
split-up tiny islands of palestinian land with Israeli-only roads,
Israeli settlements and military corridors heavily dividing the West
Bank into small concentration camps to keep Apartheid enforceable.

If you refer to the map set on:
http://www.ccmep.org/delegations/maps/palestine.html
You can see the ever-shrinking dark green land areas of palestinians
living under forced occupation army with only 3 tiny areas actually
under Palestinian control....just enough to show the international
community and say they have control. As Palestinians have no military
or police forces to oppose instant Israeli invasions and mass murder by
the Zionists, it's all a farcical charade. When Israel wants more of
the West Bank for more Israeli Jew Only settlements, it simply shows up
with bulldozers to level whatever the Palestinians have, burying their
personal property inside the rubble to start building the Jew housing
blocks atop it....as they have over and over again, in direct violation
of international law.

There is also a checkpoint map on this map set where Israeli troops,
again in direct violation of freedom of movement international laws,
prohibits, inhibits and harrasses any Palestinians who try to travel
anywhere.

Let's set up a Gestapo checkpoint at the entrance to your little Jewish
neighborhood to check your papers and ask questions while they tear your
car apart and go through all your wife's personal stuff in her handbag
EVERY time you want to go to the store....ok?

Of course, the apartheid wall is used to divide up more Palestinian
farms to prevent the farmer on one side from tending his olive trees on
the other, so we can destroy the trees for more condos for Jews ONLY to
live in. Palestinians on one side have 3 hours of water a week. Jews
on the other are swimming in their swimming pools US taxpayers have paid
very dearly to provide, against their will if they find out.


Larry January 12th 09 06:44 AM

The worst Democrat President
 
WaIIy wrote in
:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:43:48 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:


"Larry" wrote in message
. ..
"KLC Lewis" wrote in
et:

I am not your enemy, though I find some of your comments
about Israel utterly reprehensible.



At some point, making any comment will be illegal.


That was far closer to happening in the last eight years than it is
likely to be in the next four.


You must be crazy. It's quite the opposite


Americans run under the illusion that Bush and Obama are somehow
opposite in what they will do for/to us. They are mistaken. Remember
back when the Zionist media tried to portray Obama as some kind of
Muslim because his middle name is Hussein and his father was a Muslim?
That was all a smoke screen blown all to hell as soon as he put the HEAD
Jew of AIPAC in the Whitehouse as Chief of Staff, the Israeli soldier
and spy Rahm Emanuel. This Jew votes for Israel over all American
interests 100%, handing over our dwindling resources any time asked.

Google Rahm Emanuel to find out more about this Jew's Jew at the HEAD of
the new government. We might as well have elected the head of the
Mossad secret police....or Ohmert, himself.

Obama's cabinet has the same Jews as Bill Clintons, all nicely seated at
the top of the power heap for AIPAC and Israeli Intellegence.


Capt. JG January 12th 09 07:25 AM

The worst Democrat President
 
"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:43:48 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:


"Larry" wrote in message
. ..
"KLC Lewis" wrote in
et:

I am not your enemy, though I find some of your comments
about Israel utterly reprehensible.



At some point, making any comment will be illegal.


That was far closer to happening in the last eight years than it is likely
to be in the next four.


You must be crazy. It's quite the opposite



Yeah, because Bush had such a hands on approach to diplomacy!

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