On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:50:35 -0500, Marty wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:05:09 -0800, Capt. JG wrote:


I don't believe in Zionist plots, but it's difficult to ignore the
similarities between the Gaza strip, and the Warsaw Ghetto.

It's easy to find similarities to many things if you look close enough.
They are in no way comparable. It's a gross misstatement. Gaza is a
terrible place, but it's not a walled in concentration camp.


They're not comparable? Open your eyes. They are both walled in,
movement of civilians is strictly controlled, food, fuel, medicine,
strictly controlled. Gaza is a prison in which women, children, and
other innocent civilians are forced to live. No way around it, the
oppressed have become the oppressors.


Why is it when talking about Gaza, people always seem to forget that it
borders two countries? Ask yourself why the Islamic world isn't
screaming to the heavens about the Egyptian blockade? Seems some, maybe
a lot of Muslims don't want the Palestinians either.

Cheers
Martin


At the time the Arabs initially fled Israel the Saudi Arabia have
taken them al in, given them jobs and the whole mess of the Refugee
Camps could have been avoided... but they didn't.

Some avow that the reason was to keep the Arab - Jewish controversies
alive for political reasons and now generations of Arabs have grown up
in the Camps, a ready source of zealots to continue the war.
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Stephen Trapani wrote in newsrt7l.28550
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It is also the biggest reason it is
our duty to help defend it.

Stephen


Greece is a democracy. The Czech Republic is a democracy. Taiwan is a
democracy. Australia is a democracy, as is New Zealand. Canada is a
democracy. Costa Rica is a democracy. Brazil is a democracy, too.

Is it "our duty" to defend them all, or just Israel?

As far as I know, we don't send billions of dollars on top of the table and
more billions of dollars in military aid under the table to Costa Rica or
New Zealand or Greece.

Why not?

Answer - AIPAC infiltration of the US government at the very highest
levels.....now topped by one Rahm Emanuel sitting at the right hand of the
President of the United States....a dual citizen of the State of Israel and
former Israeli soldier.

Which flag do you think he salutes FIRST? Why are FOREIGN NATIONALS in the
highest level of the US Government in very sensitive, classified positions?

It stinks.....

Justin C wrote:
In article , Larry wrote:
The whole civil rights movement in the USA was started, funded and run,
not by blacks like Martin Luther King, but by JEWS, Communist Jews
trying to divide and conquer from within American Society. Zionism and
Communism have a long paper trail back into Czarist Russia, where
Zionist Jews pulled russia apart promoting Communism to bring Russia
under their control.....financial control, just like the good ol' USA.

[snip]

Well, never mind. Stick your heads back in the sand and let the
Zionists kick your stupid asses. You can't live where they live.
YOU'RE not good enough.

Jesus H Christ! WTF?! Gonna go get me a bucket of sand and stick my head
in it, I can't take any more of this!

I like Larry, he's told some good tales, and told them well, but this is
something else.

Raging paranoia is a good quality in an electrician. Dangerous just
about anywhere else.

Stephen

TheRealSteve wrote in
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Larry, when you give all of your posessions (property, house,
everything else you own) back to the INDIANS who had their land taken
away from them so you can own it and you move back to Europe or
wherever your forfathers emigrated from, then you may have a single
iota of credability on this subject. Until then, you're just blowing
smoke signals.

Steve



Isn't that EXACTLY what the Jews say the Palestinians did to the Jews
millenia ago to give them the excuse that the land was already theirs
before 1948?

Larry wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote in newsrt7l.28550
:

It is also the biggest reason it is
our duty to help defend it.

Stephen


Greece is a democracy. The Czech Republic is a democracy. Taiwan is a
democracy. Australia is a democracy, as is New Zealand. Canada is a
democracy. Costa Rica is a democracy. Brazil is a democracy, too.

Is it "our duty" to defend them all, or just Israel?

All of them, of course, if they need it.

As far as I know, we don't send billions of dollars on top of the table and
more billions of dollars in military aid under the table to Costa Rica or
New Zealand or Greece.

Why not?

Because they are not beset by terrorists on all sides who are trying to
"wipe them from the face of the earth?" Except for maybe Taiwan, and we
do support them, proportionate to their threat.

Answer - AIPAC infiltration of the US government at the very highest
levels.....now topped by one Rahm Emanuel sitting at the right hand of the
President of the United States....a dual citizen of the State of Israel and
former Israeli soldier.

Which flag do you think he salutes FIRST? Why are FOREIGN NATIONALS in the
highest level of the US Government in very sensitive, classified positions?

What if there actually is no boogieman? Can you even imagine that
anymore Larry?

Stephen

"jeff" wrote in message
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slide wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:
"slide" wrote in message


I am NOT defending random tossing of missiles into Israel by these
guys. Not even close. I'm only saying that, IMO, US policy isn't
looking at the entire picture.


I agree... we're not looking at the entire picture. We need to be a
relatively unbiased broker if we want to help resolve the conflict.
However, your statement that all the people who immigrated to Israel
with sponsored by the wealthy is false. I know for a fact that's false,
since I have some very unwealthy friends who moved there on their own,
struggled for years, and finally became what we would call middle class.
There are Palestinian Israelis who own businesses and have money... not
as many as there are Jewish Israelis certainly.


There are many unbiased brokers but neither side will abide by their
decisions or even sit down with them. I can nominate Finland or Norway as
two good candidates for neutrality.

The problem is (I've spoken to many Israelis here) that the Jews believe
themselves to be a special case. They don't see any inconsistency between
demanding racial integration for the US or South Africa but refusing it
for Israel because it means 'national survival'. That is, in time, the
Arab would be more than 50% of the population and out vote the Jew -
which they welcome in South Africa but won't stand for at home.

Even before then, if the Arab could have members in the Knesset, the Jews
would have to deal them in for consideration in policy. Clearly the
Jews are utterly unwilling to do that - again national survival.

You claim to have some knowledge but seem to be woefully ignorant on this
point - more than 10% (14 of 120) of the Knesset members are Arab. The
current Minister of Science, Culture, and Sport is Arab, as well as the
current Deputy Knesset Speaker.

There have been Arabs in the Knesset since the first election in 1949.

If I push it, then they throw the German Exterminations in my face which
tends to be a discussion stopper.

Given that Hamas has vowed to exterminate them, it does seem like a
relevant comparison.


The Arab is probably as bad in he feels like his home was taken from him
by greedy Jews backed by the evil USA & UK. How accurate is that? I can't
say but the Arab says they are victims and the Jews say they are the
victimizer.

By this time both sides have outraged the other so often that either can
make a case for exterminating the other.

But I've never heard Jews call for Arab extermination.


Well, there are always the facts. It trips up some people.

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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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Larry wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote in newsrt7l.28550
:

It is also the biggest reason it is our duty to help defend it.

Stephen


Greece is a democracy. The Czech Republic is a democracy. Taiwan is a
democracy. Australia is a democracy, as is New Zealand. Canada is a
democracy. Costa Rica is a democracy. Brazil is a democracy, too.

Is it "our duty" to defend them all, or just Israel?

All of them, of course, if they need it.

As far as I know, we don't send billions of dollars on top of the table
and more billions of dollars in military aid under the table to Costa
Rica or New Zealand or Greece.

Why not?

Because they are not beset by terrorists on all sides who are trying to
"wipe them from the face of the earth?" Except for maybe Taiwan, and we do
support them, proportionate to their threat.

Answer - AIPAC infiltration of the US government at the very highest
levels.....now topped by one Rahm Emanuel sitting at the right hand of
the President of the United States....a dual citizen of the State of
Israel and former Israeli soldier.

Which flag do you think he salutes FIRST? Why are FOREIGN NATIONALS in
the highest level of the US Government in very sensitive, classified
positions?

What if there actually is no boogieman? Can you even imagine that anymore
Larry?

Stephen


We only gave $150M to the West Bank and Gaza, double from the previous year.
Guess which country is third behind Israel and Egypt...

Columbia... home of terrorists.

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/poli...oreign-aid.htm


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On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:48:08 -0800, Capt. JG wrote:


Come on... Germany eliminated the ghetto.. liquidated it. You would be
hard-pressed to find even an extremist zionist to advocate that.

I originally used the word "similarities". You introduced the word
"comparable". Do I equate Israeli behavior with Nazi behavior? No. Do I
think Israeli treatment of the Palestinians is right? No.

Israel is a democratic society. As such, it is made of of a multitude of
views, including extremist.





Nope... you said "They're not comparable?" You used that word. First you
used "similarities" to which I replied that they weren't comparable. Then
you said they were....

Try again....


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"Larry" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in
easolutions:

Not at all. Those should be up for discussion and should be, must be
resolved. The difference is that Larry cries Zionistist plots and
spews anti-Jewish statements whenever he pleases. He's got the right
to do that, but I have just as much right to call him on it.

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Do, or did, your kids go to a public school or a Jewish school?



And the relevance is????

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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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Justin C wrote:
In article , Larry wrote:
The whole civil rights movement in the USA was started, funded and run,
not by blacks like Martin Luther King, but by JEWS, Communist Jews
trying to divide and conquer from within American Society. Zionism and
Communism have a long paper trail back into Czarist Russia, where
Zionist Jews pulled russia apart promoting Communism to bring Russia
under their control.....financial control, just like the good ol' USA.

[snip]

Well, never mind. Stick your heads back in the sand and let the
Zionists kick your stupid asses. You can't live where they live.
YOU'RE not good enough.

Jesus H Christ! WTF?! Gonna go get me a bucket of sand and stick my head
in it, I can't take any more of this!

I like Larry, he's told some good tales, and told them well, but this is
something else.

Raging paranoia is a good quality in an electrician. Dangerous just about
anywhere else.

Stephen


I guess he only uses one hand....

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