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Repair Groco Type K
So, thanks to the descriptions you all gave me of having to remount a
new toilet and thanks to the chance of saving money, I'm enquiring on if I can repair the toilet I have. It's a Groco Type K, I can't find any other numbers or model name other parts numbers on the handle and such. Anyway, I took off the little backing plate on the back of the toilet near the bottom with the water intake nipple. Under it is a flat piece of rubber about 2"X3." It has a flap cut into the middle it with square piece of flat metal attached to it. Is this the joker valve? The metal piece contacts the internal portion of the foot pedal. Just above the metal piece attached to the flat rubber is a tear in the rubber. Should I fix this? How do I do so? Can I get a replacement part? Does this make enough sense for anyone to have any ideas about what I should do? Thanks, Stephen |
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Repair Groco Type K
The Groco K is a superb toilet. Groco will rebuild them to as new for
about $200 - all new parts, shafts, rings, etc - cylinder honed, sand blasted and repainted - I just had my 2 - 15 yr old K's rebuilt - call them for details. The joker valve is in the exit elbow. What you're looking at is the inlet flapper valve. Get a new one and get a new joker valve - it looks like a puffed out vagina. On Mon, 17 May 2004 20:19:01 -0700, Stephen Trapani wrote: So, thanks to the descriptions you all gave me of having to remount a new toilet and thanks to the chance of saving money, I'm enquiring on if I can repair the toilet I have. It's a Groco Type K, I can't find any other numbers or model name other parts numbers on the handle and such. Anyway, I took off the little backing plate on the back of the toilet near the bottom with the water intake nipple. Under it is a flat piece of rubber about 2"X3." It has a flap cut into the middle it with square piece of flat metal attached to it. Is this the joker valve? The metal piece contacts the internal portion of the foot pedal. Just above the metal piece attached to the flat rubber is a tear in the rubber. Should I fix this? How do I do so? Can I get a replacement part? Does this make enough sense for anyone to have any ideas about what I should do? Thanks, Stephen |
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Repair Groco Type K
They quoted me an "average" of $250-$300 to rebuild my K, firm estimate
after receipt of the pump assembly. Everett "Going Cruising" wrote in message ... The Groco K is a superb toilet. Groco will rebuild them to as new for about $200 - all new parts, shafts, rings, etc - cylinder honed, sand blasted and repainted - I just had my 2 - 15 yr old K's rebuilt - call them for details. snip |
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Repair Groco Type K
Stephen Trapani wrote:
I'm enquiring on if I can repair the toilet I have. It's a Groco Type K... Aha! That changes everything. All previous advice was based on the assumption that you had a "budget" model toilet. The Groco model K is a top of the line manual toilet, toilet, built to last at least 100 years with reasonable maintenance. I recommend you order a rebuild kit for it. It'll cost you about $100, but when you consider that the toilet sells for $600, and that a rebuild kit for a $100 toilet costs $50, well worth it. Anyway, I took off the little backing plate on the back of the toilet near the bottom with the water intake nipple. Under it is a flat piece of rubber about 2"X3." It has a flap cut into the middle it with square piece of flat metal attached to it. Is this the joker valve? The metal piece contacts the internal portion of the foot pedal. No...that's a flapper valve...it's a backflow preventer in the flush water intake. The joker valve is in the discharge fitting. I couldn't get the exploded drawing and parts list for it to come up online...but if you call Groco 410-712-4242, they'll send you one. Just above the metal piece attached to the flat rubber is a tear in the rubber. Should I fix this? It cannot be fixed. It has to be replaced. How do I do so? Can I get a replacement part? Yes...call Groco. But unless you want to keep taking the pump apart to replace every part in the rebuild kit one part at a time as each one fails, don't get just that part...get the whole kit. Does this make enough sense for anyone to have any ideas about what I should do? Yep. Just don't even THINK of replacing it with a $100 toilet instead of spending $100 on the one you have. That would tantamount to replacing a Mercedes with a Yugo because it costs as much to repairthe Mercedes as whole new Yugo. And do follow the instructions when you rebuild it. It's not a job that's particularly intuitive unless you know a good bit more about how marine toilets work and the functions of the various parts than you know yet...and it's so much cheaper and easier to do it right the first time than it is to do it over. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://69.20.93.241/store/customer/p...40&cat=&page=1 |
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The indespensible Peggie Hall wrote:
And do follow the instructions when you rebuild it. It's not a job that's particularly intuitive unless you know a good bit more about how marine toilets work and the functions of the various parts than you know yet...and it's so much cheaper and easier to do it right the first time than it is to do it over. Super cool! Thanks so much for all the help. I'm happy to discover I landed the Rolls Royce of toilets! ;-) The way I see it I've gotten pretty lucky buying this boat, and, um, well, um not counting needing the new shaft, prop, um cutlass bearing, um, four broken motor mounts, running rigging and um, nevermind all that! Anyway... I ordered the Groco Type K refurbish kit as suggested ($110) and plan to fix the toilet myself, but one quick question. The two guys here who mentioned sending in their Type K's to have Groco do the refurbish made me a little nervous. Groco said they include an exploded diagram and instructions. Is there anything about this job I need special tools for or that is way difficult? I'm pretty handy on everything from cuckoo clocks to house foundations, not to mention spines (I'm a chiropractor!). So... no big deal? Stephen |
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Stephen Trapani wrote:
I ordered the Groco Type K refurbish kit as suggested ($110) and plan to fix the toilet myself, but one quick question. The two guys here who mentioned sending in their Type K's to have Groco do the refurbish made me a little nervous. Groco said they include an exploded diagram and instructions. Is there anything about this job I need special tools for or that is way difficult? I'm pretty handy on everything from cuckoo clocks to house foundations, not to mention spines (I'm a chiropractor!). So... no big deal? Unless the toilet needs parts that aren't in the kit, you should be able to put it back into good working order yourself with the basic tools anyone should own. Just pay close attention to how each part is oriented on the drawing, and use 'em all. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://69.20.93.241/store/customer/p...40&cat=&page=1 |
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Repair Groco Type K
The shaft and shaft seals - they recommend a new shafts after 7 years.
Kit costs 110 - even if their rebuild is 250 - from my point of view - for 140 it's worth it - with a guarantee. If if doesn't work and it's fulla crap - who you gonna blame - beside Bush. On Wed, 19 May 2004 08:00:06 -0700, Stephen Trapani wrote: The indespensible Peggie Hall wrote: And do follow the instructions when you rebuild it. It's not a job that's particularly intuitive unless you know a good bit more about how marine toilets work and the functions of the various parts than you know yet...and it's so much cheaper and easier to do it right the first time than it is to do it over. Super cool! Thanks so much for all the help. I'm happy to discover I landed the Rolls Royce of toilets! ;-) The way I see it I've gotten pretty lucky buying this boat, and, um, well, um not counting needing the new shaft, prop, um cutlass bearing, um, four broken motor mounts, running rigging and um, nevermind all that! Anyway... I ordered the Groco Type K refurbish kit as suggested ($110) and plan to fix the toilet myself, but one quick question. The two guys here who mentioned sending in their Type K's to have Groco do the refurbish made me a little nervous. Groco said they include an exploded diagram and instructions. Is there anything about this job I need special tools for or that is way difficult? I'm pretty handy on everything from cuckoo clocks to house foundations, not to mention spines (I'm a chiropractor!). So... no big deal? Stephen |
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Repair Groco Type K
On Wed, 19 May 2004 08:00:06 -0700, Stephen Trapani
wrote: One problem you may run into if you have an old, well used Groco is that eventually the piston and cylinder wears. It has plastic piston rings and will work well after being rebuilt but the rings will wear more rapidly then if the clearance was as originally built. I believe that if I bought a boat with what appeared to be a really hard used Groco I'd ask the factory about the piston to cylinder clearence and possibly a factory rebuild. Other then that the Groco is ,as properly English made suits are describbed -- something you can leave to your Grandson in your will, wish I had mine back. The Groco that is, still got the Grand kid :-) The indespensible Peggie Hall wrote: And do follow the instructions when you rebuild it. It's not a job that's particularly intuitive unless you know a good bit more about how marine toilets work and the functions of the various parts than you know yet...and it's so much cheaper and easier to do it right the first time than it is to do it over. Super cool! Thanks so much for all the help. I'm happy to discover I landed the Rolls Royce of toilets! ;-) The way I see it I've gotten pretty lucky buying this boat, and, um, well, um not counting needing the new shaft, prop, um cutlass bearing, um, four broken motor mounts, running rigging and um, nevermind all that! Anyway... I ordered the Groco Type K refurbish kit as suggested ($110) and plan to fix the toilet myself, but one quick question. The two guys here who mentioned sending in their Type K's to have Groco do the refurbish made me a little nervous. Groco said they include an exploded diagram and instructions. Is there anything about this job I need special tools for or that is way difficult? I'm pretty handy on everything from cuckoo clocks to house foundations, not to mention spines (I'm a chiropractor!). So... no big deal? Stephen Cheers, Bruce (reply to k4556[at]inet[dot]co[dot]th) |
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Several years ago I rebuilt one that had the cylinder wall worn to
where the piston would cock just enough to cause it to bind sometimes. I had replaced the rings but still had the problem. I talked to the factory repair place and the guy told me that I would need to replace the piston and cylinder. Expensive! He told me that all pistons are not created equal. That some are a little smaller than others and vise versa. I think that I sent the cylinder to him and he rummaged around in some of the old parts he had and found a piston that was a little over sized to replace mine with. That did the trick. No more problems. So, talk to the repair place. They are very helpful. Regards Gary On Wed, 19 May 2004 21:29:19 -0700, Junkman wrote: On Wed, 19 May 2004 08:00:06 -0700, Stephen Trapani wrote: One problem you may run into if you have an old, well used Groco is that eventually the piston and cylinder wears. It has plastic piston rings and will work well after being rebuilt but the rings will wear more rapidly then if the clearance was as originally built. I believe that if I bought a boat with what appeared to be a really hard used Groco I'd ask the factory about the piston to cylinder clearence and possibly a factory rebuild. Other then that the Groco is ,as properly English made suits are describbed -- something you can leave to your Grandson in your will, wish I had mine back. The Groco that is, still got the Grand kid :-) The indespensible Peggie Hall wrote: And do follow the instructions when you rebuild it. It's not a job that's particularly intuitive unless you know a good bit more about how marine toilets work and the functions of the various parts than you know yet...and it's so much cheaper and easier to do it right the first time than it is to do it over. Super cool! Thanks so much for all the help. I'm happy to discover I landed the Rolls Royce of toilets! ;-) The way I see it I've gotten pretty lucky buying this boat, and, um, well, um not counting needing the new shaft, prop, um cutlass bearing, um, four broken motor mounts, running rigging and um, nevermind all that! Anyway... I ordered the Groco Type K refurbish kit as suggested ($110) and plan to fix the toilet myself, but one quick question. The two guys here who mentioned sending in their Type K's to have Groco do the refurbish made me a little nervous. Groco said they include an exploded diagram and instructions. Is there anything about this job I need special tools for or that is way difficult? I'm pretty handy on everything from cuckoo clocks to house foundations, not to mention spines (I'm a chiropractor!). So... no big deal? Stephen Cheers, Bruce (reply to k4556[at]inet[dot]co[dot]th) |
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