's just plain stupid.
There is no broad based market for any particular boat, thus no
'market price.' The boat is worth what a given buyer will pay for it,
and it costs what the seller will take for it.

First of all, there is certainly no guarantee that a surveyor will
find any particular flaw the seller may have in mind.
2nd there are almost certainly flaws the seller doesn't know about
3rd there is a tremendously wide range of possible 'fixes' for any
given boat problem, and thus no definable cost to repair... until the
specifics of the individual's preferences are applied AND a specific
repair put out for bid.


This seems reasonable to me ..

That's because you know nothing at all about the process.

OTOH there's no reason why you can't try to buy a boat your way. Lots
& lots & lots of sellers out there. And you can always convince
yourself you got a "deal"

DSK
=============

Its not often I get called stupid ... but you must be an expert ..

Do you go around and tell people you don't know they are stupid
all the time, or is this just an internet thing?

The process, as you call it,, can be summed up in one word.. MONEY

Show the money, and the process usually is quick to arrive.

I just bought a couple more book at Barnes and Noble. They explain the
purchase process very completely. I've also met an experienced yachtman
who has owned over 10 cruising sailboats or different sizes. He is very
helpful.

Rather than tell me I'm stupid .. how about you tell all of us what your
experience is.
How many boats have you bought and sold? Where do you sail? What boat do
you own now? When was the last time you bought a boat? Did you have a
survey done?
What is the name of your boat? Where is she moored/docked?

In other words... put up or shut up.

Ms Novice.

"Janet O'Leary" wrote:
Rather than tell me I'm stupid .. how about you tell all of us what your
experience is.

Enough that I don't really care what you think.

How many boats have you bought and sold?

A lot... less than a hundred, more than a dozen.

.... * When was the last time you bought a boat?

March 2008

* Did you have a survey done?

On this particular one, no. On the one before, yes. And on several
before that, going to about 1970-something


In other words... put up or shut up.


Really? Or else you'll.... what?

You forgot to ask animal, vegetable, or mineral. The methodical
approach is best in these things.

DSK

wrote in message
...
"Janet O'Leary" wrote:
Rather than tell me I'm stupid .. how about you tell all of us what your
experience is.

Enough that I don't really care what you think.
How many boats have you bought and sold?
A lot... less than a hundred, more than a dozen.
.... When was the last time you bought a boat?
March 2008
Did you have a survey done?
On this particular one, no. On the one before, yes. And on several
efore that, going to about 1970-something
In other words... put up or shut up.
Really? Or else you'll.... what?

You forgot to ask animal, vegetable, or mineral. The methodical
approach is best in these things.

DSK


So,, you tell us you have bought "a lot" of boats.. but you fail to tell
us anything about any of them..

What make? Model? Length? Where do you moor/dock this mystery boat?
You are quick to tell me that you are an expert,, mr knows everything ..
but you don't tell us what the make, model, length,, of your boat is?

Huumm.... I'm doubting you have every owned even one boat. You sound like
a boat owner want a be.. A phoney..

Mr expert ... my ass..

You are a big pile of air..

Prove to us all that you own a boat .. show us the boat.. tell us the make,
model,, where you
dock her..

Come on mr smart guy.

"Janet O'Leary" wrote:

Huumm.... I'm doubting you have every owned even one boat. *

Doubt away. Why should I care? I don't know you, nor want to.
Meanwhile there are several participants in this forum whom I have met
in person, some have sailed on more than one of my boats.

The honest man (or woman) will tend to assume that others are
honest.... maybe there's a reason why you are so quick to assume
others are phoney?

DSK

"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
"Janet O'Leary" wrote:
Rather than tell me I'm stupid .. how about you tell all of us what your
experience is.

Enough that I don't really care what you think.
How many boats have you bought and sold?
A lot... less than a hundred, more than a dozen.
.... When was the last time you bought a boat?
March 2008
Did you have a survey done?
On this particular one, no. On the one before, yes. And on several
efore that, going to about 1970-something
In other words... put up or shut up.
Really? Or else you'll.... what?

You forgot to ask animal, vegetable, or mineral. The methodical
approach is best in these things.

DSK


So,, you tell us you have bought "a lot" of boats.. but you fail to tell
us anything about any of them..

What make? Model? Length? Where do you moor/dock this mystery boat?
You are quick to tell me that you are an expert,, mr knows everything ..
but you don't tell us what the make, model, length,, of your boat is?

Huumm.... I'm doubting you have every owned even one boat. You sound like
a boat owner want a be.. A phoney..

Mr expert ... my ass..

You are a big pile of air..

Prove to us all that you own a boat .. show us the boat.. tell us the
make, model,, where you
dock her..

Come on mr smart guy.


Ouch! A woman scorned . . .

You're wrong on this one Ms. O'Leary. Doug has owned and sailed lots of
boats. He hasn't really learned much of anything in the process but he does
sail. His sailing at the present time is aboard an ugly, pollution spewing
trawler - sailing in the "navigating upon the water" sense, not sailing as
in using sails for propulsion. He's gotten out of the sailboat game. I
think he got too old and lazy to do much of anything but sit in a pilot
house, fiddle with the autopilot, drink beer and make big wakes. (So rude!)

At any rate, he's more of a motor head these days than a sailor. His advice
would be mostly outdated as it's probably been five or six years or more
since he's owned a sailboat. If memory serves, the sailboats he's owned were
on the smallish side and daysailers rather than cruisers. He's even done
some dinghy racing, I think. The winner's circle seems to have evaded him,
however.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
"Janet O'Leary" wrote:
Rather than tell me I'm stupid .. how about you tell all of us what your
experience is.

Enough that I don't really care what you think.
How many boats have you bought and sold?
A lot... less than a hundred, more than a dozen.
.... When was the last time you bought a boat?
March 2008
Did you have a survey done?
On this particular one, no. On the one before, yes. And on several
efore that, going to about 1970-something
In other words... put up or shut up.
Really? Or else you'll.... what?

You forgot to ask animal, vegetable, or mineral. The methodical
approach is best in these things.

DSK


So,, you tell us you have bought "a lot" of boats.. but you fail to tell
us anything about any of them..

What make? Model? Length? Where do you moor/dock this mystery boat?
You are quick to tell me that you are an expert,, mr knows everything ..
but you don't tell us what the make, model, length,, of your boat is?

Huumm.... I'm doubting you have every owned even one boat. You sound like
a boat owner want a be.. A phoney..

Mr expert ... my ass..

You are a big pile of air..

Prove to us all that you own a boat .. show us the boat.. tell us the
make, model,, where you
dock her..

Come on mr smart guy.



He doesn't have to prove anything. I know Doug and he's the real deal.



--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
ions...
"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...
"Janet O'Leary" wrote:
Rather than tell me I'm stupid .. how about you tell all of us what your
experience is.

Enough that I don't really care what you think.
How many boats have you bought and sold?
A lot... less than a hundred, more than a dozen.
.... When was the last time you bought a boat?
March 2008
Did you have a survey done?
On this particular one, no. On the one before, yes. And on several
efore that, going to about 1970-something
In other words... put up or shut up.
Really? Or else you'll.... what?

You forgot to ask animal, vegetable, or mineral. The methodical
approach is best in these things.

DSK


So,, you tell us you have bought "a lot" of boats.. but you fail to tell
us anything about any of them..

What make? Model? Length? Where do you moor/dock this mystery boat?
You are quick to tell me that you are an expert,, mr knows everything ..
but you don't tell us what the make, model, length,, of your boat is?

Huumm.... I'm doubting you have every owned even one boat. You sound
like
a boat owner want a be.. A phoney..

Mr expert ... my ass..

You are a big pile of air..

Prove to us all that you own a boat .. show us the boat.. tell us the
make, model,, where you
dock her..

Come on mr smart guy.



He doesn't have to prove anything. I know Doug and he's the real deal.
--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



Oh no! I'm disappointed to learn that Doug is gay.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:08:34 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

He doesn't have to prove anything. I know Doug and he's the real deal.


And I'll second that.

I'm beginning to wonder how real our friend Janet is however. "She"
seems a bit too confrontational for a woman seeking advice. Perhaps
things are not what they seem.

"Wayne.B" wrote

I'm beginning to wonder how real our friend Janet is however. "She"
seems a bit too confrontational for a woman seeking advice. Perhaps
things are not what they seem.


I'd begun to suspect a while ago that Neal, who likes to post in drag, was
at it again. It sounds like him.

--
Roger Long

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:36:57 -0500, "Roger Long"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote

I'm beginning to wonder how real our friend Janet is however. "She"
seems a bit too confrontational for a woman seeking advice. Perhaps
things are not what they seem.


I'd begun to suspect a while ago that Neal, who likes to post in drag, was
at it again. It sounds like him.

Could be. He reminds me of barbershop mirrors sometimes.

--Vic