"Capt. JG" wrote

I would never use a surveyor hired by the seller unless I knew the
surveyor. This has happened once or twice without a problem.


If it's a big buck sale with a lot riding on it, the cost of bringing a
surveyor in from out of the area can be well worth it unless you are local
and have a good handle on their reputation. Often, the locals develop close
relationships with the yards and know, for example, that the yard owner
really wants that boat out of there. They also learn, at least
unconsiously, that they get more referrals when boats move than when they
sit.

--
Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
"Capt. JG" wrote

I would never use a surveyor hired by the seller unless I knew the
surveyor. This has happened once or twice without a problem.


If it's a big buck sale with a lot riding on it, the cost of bringing a
surveyor in from out of the area can be well worth it unless you are local
and have a good handle on their reputation. Often, the locals develop
close relationships with the yards and know, for example, that the yard
owner really wants that boat out of there. They also learn, at least
unconsiously, that they get more referrals when boats move than when they
sit.

--
Roger Long
=============================

When making an offer subject to survey,, is it proper or common to have the
seller and the buyer share the cost of the survey? As I've posted, I'm
looking at
a couple of sailboats, and since I am on a budget, I'd hate to spend $400
dollars
and have the surveyor tell me the boat is junk. As I read these postings, I
got to
wondering if the buyer should ask the seller to share the cost of the
survey. This
way, if the seller knows there is a hidden defect, he/she will not only lose
the sale,
but also lose some money. Wouldn't this be a way for the buyer to test the
seller, especially if the seller is telling the buyer that the boat is in
excellent
condition.

"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message
...
trimmed some
When making an offer subject to survey,, is it proper or common to have
the
seller and the buyer share the cost of the survey? As I've posted, I'm
looking at
a couple of sailboats, and since I am on a budget, I'd hate to spend $400
dollars
and have the surveyor tell me the boat is junk. As I read these postings,
I got to
wondering if the buyer should ask the seller to share the cost of the
survey. This
way, if the seller knows there is a hidden defect, he/she will not only
lose the sale,
but also lose some money. Wouldn't this be a way for the buyer to test
the
seller, especially if the seller is telling the buyer that the boat is in
excellent
condition.


Now, I think I understand why your husband wishes to remain inebriated.
You're one of those socialists!

What you say above is only to say "somebody else" needs to share the
responsibility and cost of your personal decisions. Somebody else needs to
decide for you whether or not it is wise to purchase a product. Somebody
else should help you pay. Somebody else needs to carry YOUR burden. From
each according to his ability to each according to her needs. Karl Marx
would be proud of you.

I think your hubby probably escaped into an alcoholic haze primarily because
he no longer wishes to carry your burden. Atlas Shrugged!

Grow up, girl.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message
...
trimmed some
When making an offer subject to survey,, is it proper or common to have
the
seller and the buyer share the cost of the survey? As I've posted, I'm
looking at
a couple of sailboats, and since I am on a budget, I'd hate to spend $400
dollars
and have the surveyor tell me the boat is junk. As I read these
postings, I got to
wondering if the buyer should ask the seller to share the cost of the
survey. This
way, if the seller knows there is a hidden defect, he/she will not only
lose the sale,
but also lose some money. Wouldn't this be a way for the buyer to test
the
seller, especially if the seller is telling the buyer that the boat is in
excellent
condition.


Now, I think I understand why your husband wishes to remain inebriated.
You're one of those socialists!

What you say above is only to say "somebody else" needs to share the
responsibility and cost of your personal decisions. Somebody else needs to
decide for you whether or not it is wise to purchase a product. Somebody
else should help you pay. Somebody else needs to carry YOUR burden. From
each according to his ability to each according to her needs. Karl Marx
would be proud of you.

I think your hubby probably escaped into an alcoholic haze primarily
because he no longer wishes to carry your burden. Atlas Shrugged!

Grow up, girl.

Wilbur Hubbard


Hubbard ,, are you familiar with short selling? Stock market short selling?
The reason that short selling is important to the market is because the
"true" price of a stock is revealed when someone is betting that the stock
price will go down.

Now,, apply this to a boat transaction. The seller is telling the
prospective
buyer that the boat is in perfect condition. All the while, the seller
knows that
there is a flaw, a serious flaw, with the boat. The seller is hoping that
the buyer
will not find the flaw. By asking the seller to shoulder half of the survey
expense, the seller is forced to reveal the flaw before the survey .. and
this helps reach the "true" price of the boat.

That is: the boat less the repair, etc for the flaw.. etc.

This seems reasonable to me ..

"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message
...
troll sh*t removed

Hubbard ,, are you familiar with short selling? Stock market short
selling?
The reason that short selling is important to the market is because the
"true" price of a stock is revealed when someone is betting that the stock
price will go down.

Now,, apply this to a boat transaction. The seller is telling the
prospective
buyer that the boat is in perfect condition. All the while, the seller
knows that
there is a flaw, a serious flaw, with the boat. The seller is hoping that
the buyer
will not find the flaw. By asking the seller to shoulder half of the
survey
expense, the seller is forced to reveal the flaw before the survey .. and
this helps reach the "true" price of the boat.

That is: the boat less the repair, etc for the flaw.. etc.

This seems reasonable to me ..

It sounds reasonable, but it's not workable and isn't reality based. You
need to pay for the survey yourself to ensure you get the information you
need. The surveyor doesn't even want to see no less talk to the other
party... just the one paying the bill. As I said, you can negotiate a lot of
stuff. One possible thing would be to have the owner haul/splash. It's about
the same amount.

FYI, you might also want to avoid trolls.



--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message
...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

"Janet O'Leary" wrote in message
...
trimmed some
When making an offer subject to survey,, is it proper or common to have
the
seller and the buyer share the cost of the survey? As I've posted, I'm
looking at
a couple of sailboats, and since I am on a budget, I'd hate to spend
$400 dollars
and have the surveyor tell me the boat is junk. As I read these
postings, I got to
wondering if the buyer should ask the seller to share the cost of the
survey. This
way, if the seller knows there is a hidden defect, he/she will not only
lose the sale,
but also lose some money. Wouldn't this be a way for the buyer to test
the
seller, especially if the seller is telling the buyer that the boat is
in excellent
condition.


Now, I think I understand why your husband wishes to remain inebriated.
You're one of those socialists!

What you say above is only to say "somebody else" needs to share the
responsibility and cost of your personal decisions. Somebody else needs
to decide for you whether or not it is wise to purchase a product.
Somebody else should help you pay. Somebody else needs to carry YOUR
burden. From each according to his ability to each according to her
needs. Karl Marx would be proud of you.

I think your hubby probably escaped into an alcoholic haze primarily
because he no longer wishes to carry your burden. Atlas Shrugged!

Grow up, girl.

Wilbur Hubbard


Hubbard ,, are you familiar with short selling? Stock market short
selling?
The reason that short selling is important to the market is because the
"true" price of a stock is revealed when someone is betting that the stock
price will go down.

Now,, apply this to a boat transaction. The seller is telling the
prospective
buyer that the boat is in perfect condition. All the while, the seller
knows that
there is a flaw, a serious flaw, with the boat. The seller is hoping that
the buyer
will not find the flaw. By asking the seller to shoulder half of the
survey
expense, the seller is forced to reveal the flaw before the survey .. and
this helps reach the "true" price of the boat.

That is: the boat less the repair, etc for the flaw.. etc.

This seems reasonable to me ..



You are very naive, then. Most smart sellers of a used product will state on
the Bill of Sale something such as "as is, where is." A seller would be
stupid to sell a used boat without such a disclaimer as he is in no position
to offer any kind of a valid warranty or to haggle over it in court. In many
states a seller is required by law to reveal any known safety defects in a
product he is selling. As usual, however, the general rule is buyer beware
as a seller can always claim and it's impossible to prove otherwise that he
didn't know anything about any and all defects.

In other words it is entirely up to you and yours to determine if your used
product is a decent buy.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Janet O'Leary" yeahright wrote:
,, are you familiar with short selling? *Stock market short selling?

Yes.
It has absolutely nothing to do with buying-selling boats.


... *By asking the seller to shoulder half of the survey
expense, the seller is forced to reveal the flaw before the survey .. and
this helps reach the "true" price of the boat.


That's just plain stupid.
There is no broad based market for any particular boat, thus no
'market price.' The boat is worth what a given buyer will pay for it,
and it costs what the seller will take for it.

First of all, there is certainly no guarantee that a surveyor will
find any particular flaw the seller may have in mind.
2nd there are almost certainly flaws the seller doesn't know about
3rd there is a tremendously wide range of possible 'fixes' for any
given boat problem, and thus no definable cost to repair... until the
specifics of the individual's preferences are applied AND a specific
repair put out for bid.


This seems reasonable to me ..

That's because you know nothing at all about the process.

OTOH there's no reason why you can't try to buy a boat your way. Lots
& lots & lots of sellers out there. And you can always convince
yourself you got a "deal"

DSK

's just plain stupid.
There is no broad based market for any particular boat, thus no
'market price.' The boat is worth what a given buyer will pay for it,
and it costs what the seller will take for it.

First of all, there is certainly no guarantee that a surveyor will
find any particular flaw the seller may have in mind.
2nd there are almost certainly flaws the seller doesn't know about
3rd there is a tremendously wide range of possible 'fixes' for any
given boat problem, and thus no definable cost to repair... until the
specifics of the individual's preferences are applied AND a specific
repair put out for bid.


This seems reasonable to me ..

That's because you know nothing at all about the process.

OTOH there's no reason why you can't try to buy a boat your way. Lots
& lots & lots of sellers out there. And you can always convince
yourself you got a "deal"

DSK
=============

Its not often I get called stupid ... but you must be an expert ..

Do you go around and tell people you don't know they are stupid
all the time, or is this just an internet thing?

The process, as you call it,, can be summed up in one word.. MONEY

Show the money, and the process usually is quick to arrive.

I just bought a couple more book at Barnes and Noble. They explain the
purchase process very completely. I've also met an experienced yachtman
who has owned over 10 cruising sailboats or different sizes. He is very
helpful.

Rather than tell me I'm stupid .. how about you tell all of us what your
experience is.
How many boats have you bought and sold? Where do you sail? What boat do
you own now? When was the last time you bought a boat? Did you have a
survey done?
What is the name of your boat? Where is she moored/docked?

In other words... put up or shut up.

Ms Novice.

"Janet O'Leary" wrote:
Rather than tell me I'm stupid .. how about you tell all of us what your
experience is.

Enough that I don't really care what you think.

How many boats have you bought and sold?

A lot... less than a hundred, more than a dozen.

.... * When was the last time you bought a boat?

March 2008

* Did you have a survey done?

On this particular one, no. On the one before, yes. And on several
before that, going to about 1970-something


In other words... put up or shut up.


Really? Or else you'll.... what?

You forgot to ask animal, vegetable, or mineral. The methodical
approach is best in these things.

DSK

You want the surveyor working entirely for you and beholden only to you.

Typically, you agree on a price before the survey and then the estimated
cost of fixing anything necessary to make the boat legal and safe is
deducted if it is not something that can be clearly seen and accounted for
at the time the price is negotiated.

--
Roger Long