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Am I in the right place? I have an older 28 " sail boat and hope I
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:17:54 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: Am I in the right place? I have an older 28 " sail boat and hope I can find a little info. I hope to be "living" on it for a few weeks come spring. Ask away! |
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I suggest you post some information and photos about your boat (don't attach
them here but put them on Flicker or a similar site and provide links) and ask specific questions. Some of the most active members of this group don't actually have boats but just use this as a place to live out their fantasies and make cutting remarks about people they envy. You'll get better responses if you can demonstrate that you are a real person with a real boat. -- Roger Long |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message ... I suggest you post some information and photos about your boat (don't attach them here but put them on Flicker or a similar site and provide links) and ask specific questions. Some of the most active members of this group don't actually have boats but just use this as a place to live out their fantasies and make cutting remarks about people they envy. You'll get better responses if you can demonstrate that you are a real person with a real boat. Perhaps you should follow your own advice. The group's called rec.boats.CRUISING. You don't cruise, or it would appear so from your postings. You seem to mostly post about work boats you've designed. Boring! Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Nov 22, 6:17*am, " wrote:
Am I in the right place? *I have an older 28 " sail boat and hope I can find a little info. I hope to be "living" on it for a few weeks come spring. Just by a word of warning to those in this group, Mario is a scam artist. He claims to "restore" VWs but it's been well documented how he scams people. Here's a few good reads for you: http://www.mariogavazzivintagewerks.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeQ8UwWPP4Y http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=96792 Believe me, he's not someone you want to have around you. |
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On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:04:23 -0500, "Roger Long"
wrote: I suggest you post some information and photos about your boat (don't attach them here but put them on Flicker or a similar site and provide links) and ask specific questions. Some of the most active members of this group don't actually have boats but just use this as a place to live out their fantasies and make cutting remarks about people they envy. You'll get better responses if you can demonstrate that you are a real person with a real boat. What a warm and friendly greeting for a newcomer! Is there a written test he has to pass before he's good enough to inhabit YOUR newsgroup? |
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wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 6:17 am, " wrote: Am I in the right place? I have an older 28 " sail boat and hope I can find a little info. I hope to be "living" on it for a few weeks come spring. \ Just by a word of warning to those in this group, Mario is a scam \ artist. He claims to "restore" VWs but it's been well documented how \ he scams people. Here's a few good reads for you: \ http://www.mariogavazzivintagewerks.com/ \ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeQ8UwWPP4Y \ http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=96792 \ \ Believe me, he's not someone you want to have around you. How would you know? Why not let each individual decide for him or herself? We're all adults here (with the exception of Capt. JG) and we certainly don't need another wannabe schoolmarm fluffing her skirt as she sits and crosses her ankles. Wilbur Hubbard |
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... Am I in the right place? I have an older 28 " sail boat and hope I can find a little info. I hope to be "living" on it for a few weeks come spring. Ask away... hope you've lurked for a while to get some understanding of who's who. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Scary... I can see why he might want to live on his boat for a while. LOL
wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 6:17 am, " wrote: Am I in the right place? I have an older 28 " sail boat and hope I can find a little info. I hope to be "living" on it for a few weeks come spring. Just by a word of warning to those in this group, Mario is a scam artist. He claims to "restore" VWs but it's been well documented how he scams people. Here's a few good reads for you: http://www.mariogavazzivintagewerks.com/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeQ8UwWPP4Y http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=96792 Believe me, he's not someone you want to have around you. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
Perhaps you should follow your own advice. The group's called rec.boats.CRUISING. You don't cruise, or it would appear so from your postings. You seem to mostly post about work boats you've designed. Boring! I guess you missed this page: http://home.roadrunner.com/~rlma/PEarticles.htm -- Roger Long |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message ... Wilbur Hubbard wrote: Perhaps you should follow your own advice. The group's called rec.boats.CRUISING. You don't cruise, or it would appear so from your postings. You seem to mostly post about work boats you've designed. Boring! I guess you missed this page: http://home.roadrunner.com/~rlma/PEarticles.htm -- Roger Long I did, indeed, miss it. I stand corrected. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Well, at least we know now that he can afford to fix up that 28 foot
sailboat and how he'll afford to go cruising in it, LOL. -- Roger Long |
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Is that an apology for being a condesending ass?
Doubtful |
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Apology accepted.
BTW, I just a few minutes ago updated the page to include my most recent piece about my late fall cruise last year in some fairly brisk conditions. -- Roger Long |
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On Nov 22, 11:25�am, "Roger Long" wrote:
Apology accepted. BTW, I just a few minutes ago updated the page to include my most recent piece about my late fall cruise last year in some fairly brisk conditions.. -- Roger Long Sorry for my stalkers they just can't live with out me. (you would never believe the drama.) Heres my restoration work on VW's http://community.webshots.com/user/Kafertoys People get upset when you can't do things for free. I did trade the boat for alot of car repair, so it seemed like a great deal its in great shape and te wood work on the inside is just beautiful. I will try to post pictures tomorrow. I do alot of motorboating, ski type and did teach sailing at a boyscout camp on 14' sunfish. so I'm not a fish out of water here but being this is 28' (foot) I know its not just something to drag in and out of the water. First question would be weres a good place on line to find supplies needed like new sails? Could I sail something this size down the east atlantic coast or would it be more for large lakes? |
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Could I sail something this size down the east atlantic coast or would it be more for large lakes? Smaller boats have sailed around the world and larger ones have been sunk just offshore. It depends on the boat and the crew more than the size. -- Roger Long |
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On Nov 22, 8:15 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
wrote Could I sail something this size down the east atlantic coast or would it be more for large lakes? Smaller boats have sailed around the world and larger ones have been sunk just offshore. It depends on the boat and the crew more than the size. -- Roger Long Go cruzin, fergit anything Wilbur sez. You are only limited by what YOU can take cause the boat will almost always take more than you. Take her down the east coast, she is about right for a couple. Do it first and worry later about what people think. A 28' S2 on the gulf coast. |
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On Nov 22, 6:19�pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Nov 22, 8:15 pm, "Roger Long" wrote: wrote Could I sail something this size down the east atlantic coast or would it be more for large lakes? Smaller boats have sailed around the world and larger ones have been sunk just offshore. �It depends on the boat and the crew more than the size. -- Roger Long Go cruzin, fergit anything Wilbur sez. �You are only limited by what YOU can take cause the boat will almost always take more than you. Take her down the east coast, she is about right for a couple. �Do it first and worry later about what people think. A 28' S2 on the gulf coast. I'm stoked I've been to the wooden boat festival in New Orleans and think sailing to something like that would be an adventure |
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On Nov 22, 7:04*am, "Roger Long" wrote:
...*You'll get better responses if you can demonstrate that you are a real person with a real boat. ... I'm sure I'm missing an important bit of your argument but as long as folks ask on topic questions of a type that can at least potentially be answered I don't care if the posters are boat owners or cruisers or what. Why should it matter? --Tom. |
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On Nov 22, 7:04*am, "Roger Long" wrote:
You'll get better responses if you can demonstrate that you are a real person with a real boat. Some of the most active members of this group don't actually have boats but just use this as a place to live out their fantasies and make cutting remarks about people they envy. Roger Long Ya know roger Ive enjoyed myself this fall and just havnt wanted to spend any time reading this stuff but your reply is just another reason I belive your self promotion has grown to blatant arrogance. I for one dont give a **** if he/she is a troll, has a boat, or is just board. You know sorta why I tollerate your posts here...... Bob |
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I'm sure I'm missing an important bit of your argument ... You did and it's my fault for sloppy writing. I wasn't trying to say he isn't welcome or shouldn't be asking questions here but that he would get better and more considered answers here if he provides enough information to assure people that they are real issues and enough data to provide reasonable answers. For example, his current question is whether he should take his 28 foot sailboat down the coast. There is no answer to that. There are 28 foot boats that shouldn't go across Long Island Sound and 28 foot boats that could make a safe circumnavigation. All we know is that it has a mast (maybe). Since he provided links to hundreds of pictures of old VW's and none of the boat, I'm not inclined to give him any time. I agree that, "I don't have a boat and have never sailed but think I would like to try the cruising life.", is an excellent and legitimate question for this group. You'll notice how few answers Neal got about his refrigeration problem BTW. If you had asked that question, the thread probably would have gone half a page. I was just trying to give him some advice. --Tom. |
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Nice to have you back, Bob.
(Did you get a chance to read the Titanic book? "Titanics Final Secrets", Brad Matsen, Twelve Books, available at Amazon and fine bookstores everywhere.) -- Roger Long |
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:28:20 -0500, "Roger Long"
wrote: wrote I'm sure I'm missing an important bit of your argument ... You did and it's my fault for sloppy writing. I wasn't trying to say he isn't welcome or shouldn't be asking questions here but that he would get better and more considered answers here if he provides enough information to assure people that they are real issues and enough data to provide reasonable answers. For example, his current question is whether he should take his 28 foot sailboat down the coast. There is no answer to that. There are 28 foot boats that shouldn't go across Long Island Sound Long Island Sound is not always as benign as you seem to think Roger. It has one of the highest average windspeeds on the East Coast, and is also known for squalls that travel it's length, and can take gentle rolling 2 foot seas to 7 foot breakers in a matter of minutes, with winds of 60-70 knots. The quiet period on LIS is only two months out of twelve. It's not always guaranteed quiet, then, either. And, yes, I've sailed in Maine. It has some different challenges, but not any that are any more difficult to deal with. Someone with your misinformed attitude could get in a lot of trouble in a hurry down here. |
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On Nov 23, 4:31�am, "Roger Long" wrote:
Nice to have you back, Bob. (Did you get a chance to read the Titanic book? �"Titanics Final Secrets", Brad Matsen, Twelve Books, available at Amazon and fine bookstores everywhere.) -- Roger Long LOL I really do have a boat and the question about the east coast trip is only because most of my crusing has been in the fingerlakes of NY and ski boating on lakes here in NC. The wife is half on board with the trip but affaid of being eatten by sharks(no joke) I was planning on sailling on one of the larger lakes here a few weekends 1st to get use to how it handles and to just get a good feel of it all around. I told her that all we would be doing is sailing during the day and find ports to anchor at night. kind of a get nowhere quick. I'm tring to plan this out for late spring so its no bs just info I'm looking for Thanks |
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(His usual putting words in the OP's mouth and then turning his words into an attack on the OP's competence.) Where did I say LIS was benign? I said there are 28 foot boats that shouldn't sail across it. Sounds like you would agree. I'll agree though, is would have been a clearer post to just say "the harbor". The issue isn't the conditions, I've seen similar in Maine, but the fact that the area is small enough that you can pick your weather and seek shelter which isn't always possible going around the NJ shore. -- Roger Long |
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What kind of boat?
How old? Do you have a survey? You can get some good information here with some specifics and keeping your BS detector turned up to maximum sensitivity. -- Roger Long |
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"Roger Long" wrote in message ... What kind of boat? How old? Do you have a survey? Oh, give it a rest with the survey crap, why don't you? Why do you recommend the abdication of personal responsibility with respect to something he should easily be able to handle himself? All it takes is to do a little reading and research. There is nothing on a 28-footer that an amateur cannot see and check for himself armed with some basic knowledge and some small ability to think and analyze. Professional surveys have their place but not on an older, basic 28-ft sailboat. It's just not cost effective. The first step towards cruising should be to know how to evaluate your purchase yourself. If you aren't up to that simple task then stay ashore. You don't have what it takes. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On 2008-11-22 19:36:09 -0500, " said:
did teach sailing at a boyscout camp on 14' sunfish. so I'm not a fish out of water here but being this is 28' (foot) I know its not just something to drag in and out of the water. Given a choice of crews, I'll take someone who learned on a dink over someone who only knows big boats. Dinks create real sailors who can bond with Momma, respect her moods. First question would be weres a good place on line to find supplies needed like new sails? I happen to have found some of the best big-stuff prices at sailnet.com, but I've found that regularly buying little stuff at the local chandlery soon gives me a "professional" discount that rivals any price I can find on the Internet. Probably worst prices and availability for sailboats are now at West Marine. Could I sail something this size down the east atlantic coast or would it be more for large lakes? I wouldn't hesitate to take Xan (below) down the ICW to FL and the Bahamas. She's perfect for that, though of course we'd like more space to spread out. Couple of her sisters have cruised the entirety of the Caribbean. Limiting factor really isn't the boat but the crew. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:54:48 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: Oh, give it a rest with the survey crap, why don't you? Why do you recommend the abdication of personal responsibility with respect to something he should easily be able to handle himself? All it takes is to do a little reading and research. There is nothing on a 28-footer that an amateur cannot see and check for himself armed with some basic knowledge and some small ability to think and analyze. Professional surveys have their place but not on an older, basic 28-ft sailboat. It's just not cost effective. The first step towards cruising should be to know how to evaluate your purchase yourself. If you aren't up to that simple task then stay ashore. You don't have what it takes. ============================= Nonsense. |
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On Nov 23, 4:28*am, "Roger Long" wrote:
wrote I'm sure I'm missing an important bit of your argument ... You did and it's my fault for sloppy writing. *I wasn't trying to say he isn't welcome or shouldn't be asking questions here but that he would get better and more considered answers here if he provides enough information to assure people that they are real issues and enough data to provide reasonable answers. No, no, it's my fault :) Anyway, I'm with you that the question asked wasn't answerable without more work. Sometimes that can be the result of difficulties defining the problem and sometimes it is because the poster is dishonest. In the first case there can be a useful dialogue. I guess my difference with you here is that I'm not at all concerned about the "reality" of the issues. I think good discussions can be had on entirely hypothetical issues and even purely fantastical ones. By the time it gets to my LCD it's all cyber stuff anyway... -- Tom. PS. Did I mention that I think the problem with hunting on my 2gm20 was with a faulty valve on the return line? On some versions of the 2gm and other Yanmars they "T"ed the return line and sent some of the fuel back to the primary via a one way valve (a BB and seat). If that valve leaks it makes enough vacuum to pull some fuel out of the filter and you get air in the system... I removed the valve and took out the "T" and that seems to have solved things. I'm sure that Yanmar went to the trouble of doing things that way for a reason but so far I can't see any difference in performance... T. |
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PS. Did I mention that I think the problem with hunting on my 2gm20 was with a faulty valve on the return line? On some versions of the 2gm and other Yanmars they "T"ed the return line and sent some of the fuel back to the primary via a one way valve (a BB and seat). If that valve leaks it makes enough vacuum to pull some fuel out of the filter and you get air in the system... I removed the valve and took out the "T" and that seems to have solved things. I'm sure that Yanmar went to the trouble of doing things that way for a reason but so far I can't see any difference in performance... Very interesting. All the fuel on my 2QM (earlier version) goes back to the filter and it works fine. -- Roger Long |
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Nonsense. (Re; The opinion that surveyors are not needed.) Especially in the case of the aparent knowledge level of the OP (No slight intended. We all started with zero knowledge and learned by asking.) I used to do some surveying and have been professionally involved with boats my whole adult life. I still utilize professional surveyors and will the next time I need a survey. -- Roger Long |
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On Nov 23, 9:32*am, "Roger Long" wrote:
What kind of boat? How old? Do you have a survey? You can get some good information here with some specifics and keeping your BS detector turned up to maximum sensitivity. I dunno, some of my favorite posts tend to make the BS meter read "TILT" Bu then again, I don't come here as much for advice or technical feedback as to confer & hobnob with a group of fellow boat-a- holics... maybe "validation" would be a good term for it... FB- Doug |
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I'm sure I'm missing an important bit of your argument ... "Roger Long" wrote: You did and it's my fault for sloppy writing. *I wasn't trying to say he isn't welcome or shouldn't be asking questions here... No, no, it's my fault After you, my dear Alphonse.... c'mon you BOZOS! Don't you know how to have an argument on the Internet? No wonder USENET is dying! DSK |
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... On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:54:48 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Oh, give it a rest with the survey crap, why don't you? Why do you recommend the abdication of personal responsibility with respect to something he should easily be able to handle himself? All it takes is to do a little reading and research. There is nothing on a 28-footer that an amateur cannot see and check for himself armed with some basic knowledge and some small ability to think and analyze. Professional surveys have their place but not on an older, basic 28-ft sailboat. It's just not cost effective. The first step towards cruising should be to know how to evaluate your purchase yourself. If you aren't up to that simple task then stay ashore. You don't have what it takes. ============================= Nonsense. Complete nonsense. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...01866121jLLXfR
Here it is in all its glory as it sits but come spring it will be back in the water after 20 plus year sleep Alot of the interior and such have been stored in side and is in very good condition and most just needs a good cleaning. it has Chrysler on the stern so if anyone knows anything about these can give me any info I would be greatful Mario |
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On Nov 23, 10:31�am, " wrote:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...01866121jLLXfR Here it is in all its glory as it sits but come spring it will be back in the water after 20 plus year sleep Alot of the interior and such have been stored in side and is in very good condition and most just needs a good cleaning. it has Chrysler on the stern �so if anyone knows anything about these can give me any info I would be greatful Mario Ok a little looking and I'm thinking its a Chrysler 22 but that dosen't change much I still want to sail. |
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wrote in message ... wrote I'm sure I'm missing an important bit of your argument ... "Roger Long" wrote: You did and it's my fault for sloppy writing. I wasn't trying to say he isn't welcome or shouldn't be asking questions here... No, no, it's my fault After you, my dear Alphonse.... c'mon you BOZOS! Don't you know how to have an argument on the Internet? No wonder USENET is dying! DSK -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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