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... http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...01866121jLLXfR Here it is in all its glory as it sits but come spring it will be back in the water after 20 plus year sleep Alot of the interior and such have been stored in side and is in very good condition and most just needs a good cleaning. it has Chrysler on the stern so if anyone knows anything about these can give me any info I would be greatful Mario What is it? Looks like it's in decent, fixable shape. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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wrote: http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...01866121jLLXfR Here it is in all its glory as it sits but come spring it will be back in the water after 20 plus year sleep Alot of the interior and such have been stored in side and is in very good condition and most just needs a good cleaning. it has Chrysler on the stern so if anyone knows anything about these can give me any info I would be greatful Mario Chrysler has not been in the outboard business since 1984. If you can get it to start and run it may be OK for a while, otherwise it will need to have the carburetor rebuilt at the very least. It might be cheaper to look for a used outboard in good running condition. http://www.hurrikain.com/thechryslercrew/history.htm Regarding the boat, virtually everything that moves will need to be cleaned and lubricated. If you have a protected body of water nearby try to get someone experienced to help you put things back together, launch it, and check everything out. Get some day sailing experience, working up to over nighters, before planning anything more ambitious. |
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ons... wrote in message ... http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...01866121jLLXfR Here it is in all its glory as it sits but come spring it will be back in the water after 20 plus year sleep Alot of the interior and such have been stored in side and is in very good condition and most just needs a good cleaning. it has Chrysler on the stern so if anyone knows anything about these can give me any info I would be greatful Mario What is it? Looks like it's in decent, fixable shape. Sorry... dumb question. Says it right on the hull. LOL I agree w/ Wayne. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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A fellow who works at the marina where my son was a dockboy this summer
bought one of those for $500. There's another on that appears to be abandoned at my old marina. If you need spars or other such parts, I could find out if it's being junked. The rudder on the one at my marina was a very suspect looking design. It was made to fold up which is unnecessary on a fin keel boat. I don't know whether they built them that way or perhaps built a swing keel or centerboard version and the original rudder was replaced with one of those. Otherwise, I don't know much about these boats as I've only seen them from a distance or from ground level hauled out. It didn't strike me as the kind of boat you would want to get exposed to any serious weather in though. -- Roger Long |
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On Nov 23, 11:15�am, "Roger Long" wrote:
A fellow who works at the marina where my son was a dockboy this summer bought one of those for $500. �There's another on that appears to be abandoned at my old marina. �If you need spars or other such parts, I could find out if it's being junked. The rudder on the one at my marina was a very suspect looking design. �It was made to fold up which is unnecessary on a fin keel boat. �I don't know whether they built them that way or perhaps built a swing keel or centerboard version and the original rudder was replaced with one of those. Otherwise, I don't know much about these boats as I've only seen them from a distance or from ground level hauled out. It didn't strike me as the kind of boat you would want to get exposed to any serious weather in though. -- Roger Long The keel on this cranks up almost all the way into the hull. I traded off a VW beetle engine so it was a good deal. As I said it wouls be nice to beable to sail this late spring to florida or so, mabe onto the bahamas just for a nice vacation where getting there will be half the fun. did I mention I don't like seafood so getting the boat ready might be easier then to get me to eat dinners along the way...lol |
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The keel on this cranks up almost all the way into the hull. As I said it wouls be nice to beable to sail this late spring to florida or so, mabe onto the bahamas just for a nice vacation where getting there will be half the fun. Here's how to get to the Florida and the Bahamas as quickly as possible with this boat: Forget about it. There are lots of great places to sail in North Carolina. Focus on making the boat sound and seaworthy. Do a lot of daysailing and short trips working up to longer ones. Find out if this is really a life style that appeals to you. Gradually challenge more severe conditions to find out what the boat and you can handle without getting in over your head. Spend a couple weeks aboard without reprovisioning. You'll be much more likely to make it to the Bahamas that way instead of abandoning the boat somewhere in between. More important, you'll be a lot more likely to make it back. -- Roger Long |
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On 2008-11-23 13:31:54 -0500, " said:
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...01866121jLLXfR Here it is in all its glory as it sits but come spring it will be back in the water after 20 plus year sleep Alot of the interior and such have been stored in side and is in very good condition and most just needs a good cleaning. OMG, that means that in reality, it hasn't been broken in yet! it has Chrysler on the stern so if anyone knows anything about these can give me any info I would be greatful My personal experience with the small (4-5hp) Chrysler I had, and the stories I saw, prompt me to recommend that you dump it the fastest way possible and get an outboard that will keep on running, particularly as you're indicating long distances. At the moment, my preference would be the 9.9 Yamaha 4-stroke high-thrust, extended leg. Hear very good things about it and that it's better-supported in exotic locations than Honda (which I have and love, except for the dearth of service locally). The next size up would give you more reserve power, but be quite a bit heavier. For reference, we have an inboard diesel of 16-20 hp (depending on which measure is chosen), but cruise fairly quickly (5.5-6 knots) at a 5 hp throttle setting. Oh, any 4-stroke will probably be too heavy for the existing bracket. If that's not your primary motive power, my recommendation stands but for the size & prop. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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"Gogarty" wrote in message ... In article , says... On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:54:48 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Oh, give it a rest with the survey crap, why don't you? Why do you recommend the abdication of personal responsibility with respect to something he should easily be able to handle himself? All it takes is to do a little reading and research. There is nothing on a 28-footer that an amateur cannot see and check for himself armed with some basic knowledge and some small ability to think and analyze. Professional surveys have their place but not on an older, basic 28-ft sailboat. It's just not cost effective. The first step towards cruising should be to know how to evaluate your purchase yourself. If you aren't up to that simple task then stay ashore. You don't have what it takes. ============================= Nonsense. Agreed. A 2,000 dollar profession survey on a boat that the guy traded a VW engine for? Yah, RIGHT! Looks like I am owed an apology. Bwahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahah! You pro-survey people just lost any small shred of credibility you might have had. Utter fools and knee-jerk, follow the ignorant masses, brainwashed charlatans! Proven beyond a doubt in this particular case . . . Bw..b......b.......bwa....b.b...b..b Trying my best to not laugh at you guys. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Nov 23, 1:37�pm, Gordon wrote:
Gogarty wrote: In article , says... On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:54:48 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Oh, give it a rest with the survey crap, why don't you? �Why do you recommend the abdication of personal responsibility with respect to something he should easily be able to handle himself? All it takes is to do a little reading and research. There is nothing on a 28-footer that an amateur cannot see and check for himself armed with some basic knowledge and some small ability to think and analyze. Professional surveys have their place but not on an older, basic 28-ft sailboat. It's just not cost effective. The first step towards cruising should be to know how to evaluate your purchase yourself. If you aren't up to that simple task then stay ashore. You don't have what it takes. ============================= Nonsense. Agreed. � �I think some of you missed what he said. This is a 22' Chrysler brand sailboat, not a 28' anything. � Gordon- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - lol the original engine was already dumped for an evinrude 25 , but its condition is unknown from the person I got it from. where do I find sails for this? As I said this has been on dry land for the last 22 yrs and seems to be invery good shape, being that I restore cars for a living I feel I should be able to do any and all work myself. What is the things I sould be looking at before putting it in the water. I don't see a single mark in the hull that would say there is a problem there. The keel raises and lowers fine. the rudder looks a little weathered and may need replacing. I'm good with wood and thought about redoing the interior to my liking. As I have said I have been around boat from row to standing on the deck of a carrier but this is the 1st of this kind and I want to be as knowledgeable as possible My newest car is a 67 vw camper so I don't need all the bells and whistles I'm just looking to feel the waves and wind of the open waters ok and I want to see my wife sun bathing naked on the deck, she is a hottie.. |
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wrote in message ... snip . . . ok and I want to see my wife sun bathing naked on the deck, she is a hottie.. Photo please. You might be biased. She doesn't have to be naked. A nice thong bikini would be good enough for me to see it she is, indeed, a hottie. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Nov 23, 2:58�pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: wrote in message ... snip . . . �ok and I want to see my wife sun bathing naked on the deck, she is a hottie.. Photo please. You might be biased. She doesn't have to be naked. A nice thong bikini would be good enough for me to see it she is, indeed, a hottie. Wilbur Hubbard sorry wilbur but the freaks from the VW fourm even offered a $40 reward for a picture so they could photoshop it so I wont post any pictures, you just have to trust she is. |
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The keel on this cranks up almost all the way into the hull. As I said it wouls be nice to beable to sail this late spring to florida or so, mabe onto the bahamas just for a nice vacation *where getting there will be half the fun. Congrats on your new boat. It looks like it's in pretty good condition, just needs some organizing and no doubt TLC in special places. I'd consider new sails among the priorities. "Roger Long" wrote: Here's how to get to the Florida and the Bahamas as quickly as possible with this boat: Forget about it. Nah, they can drive down there with on the trailer... piece o' cake! There are lots of great places to sail in North Carolina. That's certainly true. ... *Focus on making the boat sound and seaworthy. *Do a lot of daysailing and short trips working up to longer ones. That's also good advice. You'll be much more likely to make it to the Bahamas that way instead of abandoning the boat somewhere in between. *More important, you'll be a lot more likely to make it back. The boat is a Halsey Herreshoff design, and believe it or not Chrysler built them pretty well. The problems are likely to be age-related failure of things like fittings, winches, cleats, etc etc. Pulling off all hardware & ports, then rebedding & reinstalling would be a good idea. As Wayne suggested all blocks will need cleaning & lubrication (or just replacing). Don't neglect the halyard sheaves at the top of the mast. I'd also give strong consideration to replacing all rigging just because I'm picky and the stuff doesn't age well even if not exposed to UV, salt, and abuse. Take some special care with the swing keel pivot & pennant & winch. This is a sore point with all centerboard & swing keel boats, especially older ones. For one thing, this is one of the boat's best features... operating in shallow water will bring many delights in the shallow SouthEast and in the Bahamas. For another, failure of the swing keel winch/pennant/bearing can result in catastrophic hull damage and even in the best-case scenario will be very difficult to deal with. I've sailed these boats a number of times, and also their big sister the Chrysler 26. One of the nicer trailerable boats of their era IMHO. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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wrote in message ... On Nov 23, 1:37?pm, Gordon wrote: Gogarty wrote: In article , says... troll sh*t removed ? ?I think some of you missed what he said. This is a 22' Chrysler brand sailboat, not a 28' anything. ? Gordon- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - lol the original engine was already dumped for an evinrude 25 , but its condition is unknown from the person I got it from. where do I find sails for this? As I said this has been on dry land for the last 22 yrs and seems to be invery good shape, being that I restore cars for a living I feel I should be able to do any and all work myself. What is the things I sould be looking at before putting it in the water. I don't see a single mark in the hull that would say there is a problem there. The keel raises and lowers fine. the rudder looks a little weathered and may need replacing. I'm good with wood and thought about redoing the interior to my liking. As I have said I have been around boat from row to standing on the deck of a carrier but this is the 1st of this kind and I want to be as knowledgeable as possible My newest car is a 67 vw camper so I don't need all the bells and whistles I'm just looking to feel the waves and wind of the open waters ok and I want to see my wife sun bathing naked on the deck, she is a hottie.. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:28:23 -0500, "Roger Long"
wrote: wrote (His usual putting words in the OP's mouth and then turning his words into an attack on the OP's competence.) Where did I say LIS was benign? I said there are 28 foot boats that shouldn't sail across it. Sounds like you would agree. (Rogers usual putting words in other people's mouths) I'll agree though, is would have been a clearer post to just say "the harbor". The issue isn't the conditions, I've seen similar in Maine, but the fact that the area is small enough that you can pick your weather and seek shelter which isn't always possible going around the NJ shore. Based on the above, you could be ripe for a very bad surprise on the LIS. You don't often get more than a few minutes warning that a "fist of fury" is about to hit you. There is no such thing as finding a safe refuge. In the summer months, virtually every weather forecast includes a warning about thunder storms. They are small and localized in area, but often pack a huge wallop. Last June, We were caught out in a string of them. There was no way to get around them, as they formed a wall coming at us. My warning was whenj I looked on the western horizon and saw that familiar (to me) low dark line. We had been loafing along in about 6-8 knots of breeze. We immediately struck sails and tied everything down tight. Locked the lockers, clipped in, and donned lifejackets. Within 15 minutes of seeing that line on the horizon, we were knocked down twice by winds in excess of 60 knots and 6-7 foot seas that were confused to say the least. There was lightning striking all around the boat, and at several points we had no steerage, as we couldn't make way. We were passengers. Everytime there was a break, we headed out towards the middle to gain some room. The USCG announced the oncoming cells on VHF AFTER we had been hit. We later learned that a beachgoer had been killed by lightning on shore just opposite of our position. He was under a pavilion at a state beach and the pavilion got hit. |
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:06:42 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:59:59 -0500, wrote: We immediately struck sails and tied everything down tight. It's been my experience on several different boats that you are better off with a double or triple reefed main and no jib. Having a little bit of main sail up gives you far more control with only minimal risk of being over powered. On boats with a very large main sail and/or minimal reef points, a small staysail or storm jib might be the way to go. But then you don't have the mighty Yammie 9.9 OB to keep way, do you? Hey, just kidding. --Vic |
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(A terrifying account) Wow. It sounds like no one should be sailing on LI sound, including you. I had no idea it was the Bermuda Triangle of the Northeast. -- Roger Long |
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It's been my experience on several different boats that you are better off with a double or triple reefed main and no jib. That's been my experience as well. -- Roger Long |
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http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...01866121jLLXfR Here it is in all its glory as it sits but come spring it will be back in the water after 20 plus year sleep Alot of the interior and such have been stored in side and is in very good condition and most just needs a good cleaning. it has Chrysler on the stern so if anyone knows anything about these can give me any info I would be greatful Mario Kewl, how much for the go-kart? Cheers Martin |
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:10:15 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:06:42 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:59:59 -0500, wrote: We immediately struck sails and tied everything down tight. It's been my experience on several different boats that you are better off with a double or triple reefed main and no jib. Having a little bit of main sail up gives you far more control with only minimal risk of being over powered. On boats with a very large main sail and/or minimal reef points, a small staysail or storm jib might be the way to go. But then you don't have the mighty Yammie 9.9 OB to keep way, do you? Hey, just kidding. I know you're kidding but you raise an interesting point regarding outboards as a sailing aux. Because of the mounting location at the far stern of the boat, outboards, even with a long shaft, are very vulnerable to pulling the prop out of the water as the boat pitches in big waves. This is not conducive to good motoring efficiency needless to say and is tough on the motor as it over revs. In a severe squall or gale however, even with an inboard aux, it becomes difficult to bring the bow into the wind unless there is a small amount of mainsail up to balance the boat. As the bow lifts over big waves it catches the wind enough that the the boat is pivoted off to leeward and no amount of power will bring it back up to windward. We found this out the hard way in our very first squall experience back in the 70s. Coming out of Long Island Sound just after sunset and halfway to Block Island, we got hit with a real doozy out of the west. The wind blew over 60 kts for the better part of 45 minutes. Waves built to over 10 feet in no time at all and we got really hammered. There was no choice except to run off before the wind under bare poles, making about 7 kts of speed as we surfed down the waves in the dark, hoping that the storm would end before we arrived at Block Island the hard way. Friends of ours from Atlanta were onboard who were used to day sailing on Lake Lanier. They kised the dock after we arrived safely. The same storm spawned several tornados 30 miles further east blowing large numbers of anchored boats aground at Cutty Hunk Harbor south of Cape Cod. By contrast we got hit with a similar squall in the late 80s going north from Cape Cod towards Maine. There was a fair amount of advance warning, so we battened everything down, took down the jib and put a triple reef in the mainsail before it hit. The boat maintained very good control about 50 degrees off the wind making a comfortable 1 or 2 kts in a safe direction. |
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... wrote (A terrifying account) Wow. It sounds like no one should be sailing on LI sound, including you. I had no idea it was the Bermuda Triangle of the Northeast. Roger, on the other hand, my eldest brother sailed with Cap'n Zeb Tilton, on the schooner, Alice S. Wentworth. and was becalmed three days on Long Island Sound. Leanne |
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... On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:10:15 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:06:42 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:59:59 -0500, wrote: We immediately struck sails and tied everything down tight. It's been my experience on several different boats that you are better off with a double or triple reefed main and no jib. Having a little bit of main sail up gives you far more control with only minimal risk of being over powered. On boats with a very large main sail and/or minimal reef points, a small staysail or storm jib might be the way to go. But then you don't have the mighty Yammie 9.9 OB to keep way, do you? Hey, just kidding. I know you're kidding but you raise an interesting point regarding outboards as a sailing aux. Because of the mounting location at the far stern of the boat, outboards, even with a long shaft, are very vulnerable to pulling the prop out of the water as the boat pitches in big waves. This is not conducive to good motoring efficiency needless to say and is tough on the motor as it over revs. Actually, it doesn't even take big waves. I've sailed a bit on a J-24 recently and a Santana 525s less recently. Both had issues in moderate chop. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On 2008-11-23 19:59:59 -0500, said:
My warning was whenj I looked on the western horizon and saw that familiar (to me) low dark line. We had been loafing along in about 6-8 knots of breeze. We immediately struck sails and tied everything down tight. Locked the lockers, clipped in, and donned lifejackets. On the Chesapeake, if I see such a line, I have no pride. First action is to throw out the anchor and at least a good 10:1 of rode, *then* take care of the rest. Got hit a couple of years ago with one squall line that pegged the anemometers around us at over 100 knots for what seemed forever. Something like 30 boats had to be hauled off the shore the next anchorage down. (Still Pond, for those that know the area.) Don't be a hero if you see a dark band of clouds coming at you in Middle Atlantic waters. Get the boat tied to the bottom as soon as possible, then take care of everything else. That level of winds will overwhelm any motor, and it happens at least once a year. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Just to get this thread back on track a bit with some comments I expect you
will agree with: The original question was the suitability of a then hypothetical 28 foot boat for offshore conditions. Not to diminish the exemplary seamanship demonstrated by Salty while facing the terror of some of the most dangerous waters on earth, but, wind velocity is not the most significant danger factor at sea. The low death rate on LIS and the fact that special types of vessel have not been developed to deal with these horrendous conditions is some evidence of that. Vessels in heavy weather are generally worn down. Repeated stesses and continued violent motion expose the weak points in rig, structure, and systems. Fatigue sets in and the crew makes mistakes. Waves continue to build Simply the length of exposure greatly increases the statistical probability of encountering a freak or oddly shaped wave that rolls the vessel or boards heavily. Three days of 30 - 40 knot winds can be far more dangerous than half an hour of twice the velocity and four times the force in previously normal conditions. It takes a lot more vessel and crew capability to handle the grinding stresses of weather that can be encountered on passages than even violent squalls. -- Roger Long |
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On Nov 24, 4:26�am, "Roger Long" wrote:
Just to get this thread back on track a bit with some comments I expect you will agree with: The original question was the suitability of a then hypothetical 28 foot boat for offshore conditions. �Not to diminish the exemplary seamanship demonstrated by Salty while facing the terror of some of the most dangerous waters on earth, but, wind velocity is not the most significant danger factor at sea. �The low death rate on LIS and the fact that special types of vessel have not been developed to deal with these horrendous conditions is some evidence of that. Vessels in heavy weather are generally worn down. �Repeated stesses and continued violent motion expose the weak points in rig, structure, and systems. Fatigue sets in and the crew makes mistakes. �Waves continue to build �Simply the length of exposure greatly increases the statistical probability of encountering a freak or oddly shaped wave that rolls the vessel or boards heavily. �Three days of 30 - 40 knot winds can be far more dangerous than half an hour of twice the velocity and four times the force in previously normal conditions. It takes a lot more vessel and crew capability to handle the grinding stresses of weather that can be encountered on passages than even violent squalls. -- Roger Long I figured I would keep land in sight and hop from port to port every evening and not even try to play in bad weather, but this is why I'm here to learn, On a lake I'm sure I would have no trouble but I really hope to be able to do a coastal trip. |
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I figured I would keep land in sight and hop from port to port every evening and not even try to play in bad weather, but this is why I'm here to learn. Willingness to learn is a great contributor to longevity and happiness. First lesson: Rocks and even sand are harder than water so they do a lot more damage when your boat hits them. Waves in shallow water are much more dangerous than waves in deep water. When the **** hits the fan, you can't always make the boat go in the direction you want it to go. One of the most famous by-words in nautical tradition is "Searoom". The illusion of safety from being able to see the shore is a dangerous one on most coasts south of New England. I hope you learn better and faster than you appear to in the area of keeping customers happy (even if they are wrong) from what I've seen posted. I mention this only because there is actually a strong correspondence between the attitudes and judgement required for a sucessful outcome in each area. That gets into more philosophy than I have time for right now but let me tell you, the sea is a lot less forgiving than a ****ed off lady with an old VW. -- Roger Long |
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What an overinflated, self aggrandizing, BOOB. Now we're getting down to the nitty gritty. Salty is good at nothing if not staying "on message" as they say in the political biz. Roger's ego is so large that he actually stopped sailing for 15 years because somebody hurt his delicate feelings. And you know this how? Another typical fabrication. For the record, I felt that I'd done enough sailing for this lifetime. After a few years doing not much outside the house because of having a new family, I became a private pilot and devoted the next decade to aviation. Next to two wonderful boys, I thank my ex-wife most for prompting a return to sailing and cruising. The experience of flying has contributed much to my outlook towards cruising. For example, line squalls nearly always kill you in a small airplane as opposed to just scaring the **** out of you. You learn to pay a lot of attention to weather and think ahead about what you will do if something unexpected comes out of the sky despite forecasts. -- Roger Long |
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wrote in message ... snip You once posted about why you stopped sailing for those 15 years. I didn't fabricate it at all. I don't remember the exact slight that beached you, but thats what YOU reported. His diesel threw a rod. :-) Wilbur Hubbard |
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You once posted about why you stopped sailing for those 15 years. I didn't fabricate it at all. I don't remember the exact slight that beached you, but thats what YOU reported. Oh, you must be referring to this: http://home.roadrunner.com/~rlma/Boats.htm#Tship That was a professional decision having to do with boats that I design; not what I do with my free time. The boys were already born at that point. It had nothing to do with ego, slights, or beaching me. Typically, that is what you made up out of your own mind. -- Roger Long |
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... wrote I figured I would keep land in sight and hop from port to port every evening and not even try to play in bad weather, but this is why I'm here to learn. Willingness to learn is a great contributor to longevity and happiness. First lesson: Rocks and even sand are harder than water so they do a lot more damage when your boat hits them. Waves in shallow water are much more dangerous than waves in deep water. When the **** hits the fan, you can't always make the boat go in the direction you want it to go. One of the most famous by-words in nautical tradition is "Searoom". The illusion of safety from being able to see the shore is a dangerous one on most coasts south of New England. Same out here... same everywhere. Keep the boat off the rocks, keep water out of the boat, stay ahead of your garbage... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On 2008-11-24 08:27:16 -0500, " said:
I figured I would keep land in sight and hop from port to port every evening and not even try to play in bad weather, but this is why I'm here to learn, On a lake I'm sure I would have no trouble but I really hope to be able to do a coastal trip. Running down the coast's fine, but there's some mighty interesting stuff to see and do on the ICW and it's a whole lot less demanding. At least the first time, with a new boat of unknown qualities, I'd take it easy until I had a better understanding of the strengths and weakness of the boat and crew. Friend of mine went out on a daysail with us on our previous boat, his first time on a sailboat. A few weeks later, he purchased a 26' no-name of dubious quality, not well maintained and on the hard for a long time. A less-experienced (!) other friend and he took it out for a daysail. Well, they *would* have if they hadn't gone aground in the harbor. (to be charitable, that's not tough in Rock Hall.) The next weekend, the two of them set off the 150 or so nm to Norfolk where the extra crewman hitched a ride back home. Said friend eventually got to the Keys via the ICW, stayed some months, then ran out of money and hitched home to feed the kitty. Unluckily, he died before he could get back to her. Now, while it might not sound like it, this was a bright guy who well understood there were volumes he didn't know that he didn't know. Didn't push (much) past his capabilities, read, talked, asked questions, listened, and learned. Seemed pretty competent upon his return. Shame he didn't take care of the diabetes (the second of my childhood friends to die from JD.) -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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I figured I would keep land in sight Doing what? Driving down US-1? The Southeast US coast is shallow. In many places, you can be in knee deep water out of sight of land.... in many places the only "land" for miles is rather mushy swamp. Staying close to sheltered water is not too difficult... staying in sight of land, forget it. .... and not even try to play in bad weather, but this is why I'm here to learn, On a lake I'm sure I would have no trouble but I really hope to be able to do a coastal trip. heh heh heh again I hate to be the voice of doom but you can have PLENTY of trouble on a lake.... lesson 1, never never never EVER underestimate your opponent! Learning all the parts of the boat and how they work is enough of a job at first to not complicate with learning advanced weather & tides & navigating & anchoring etc etc, any & all of which could (and have) filled libraries worth of books. Pick as benign an environment as possible for your first couple of sailing excursions. Believe me, no sailor will think less of you for it! Jere Lull wrote: Running down the coast's fine, but there's some mighty interesting stuff to see and do on the ICW and it's a whole lot less demanding. And it's still demanding enough to be a challenge; and it's just as much 'real cruising' as anything else. Too many people want to take off for Cape Horn without knowing the basics, and sink their own dreams unwittingly. I've had a long string of trailerable boats, and except for a brief period as a bulletproof teenager, felt no compunction to 'prove' anything by sailing them long distances when there's a perfectly road to drive them on. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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On Nov 22, 11:25 am, "Roger Long" wrote: Apology accepted. BTW, I just a few minutes ago updated the page to include my most recent piece about my late fall cruise last year in some fairly brisk conditions. -- Roger Long Sorry for my stalkers *they just can't live with out me. (you would never believe the drama.) Heres my restoration work on VW'shttp://community.webshots.com/user/Kafertoys People get upset when you can't do things for free. I did trade the boat for alot of car repair, so it seemed like a great deal its in great shape and te wood work on the inside is just beautiful. I will try to post pictures tomorrow. I do alot of motorboating, ski *type *and did teach sailing at a boyscout camp *on 14' sunfish. *so I'm not a fish out of water here but being this is 28' (foot) I know its not just something to drag in and out of the water. First question would be weres a good place on line to find supplies needed like new sails? Could I sail something this size down the east atlantic coast or would it be more for large lakes? I'm a bit confused here - sorry to all you folks out here in sailing land, but I'm trying to help - Mario, this is you in this newsclip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeQ8UwWPP4Y So the local news media is among your many "stalkers"? The fact that you've been banned from all of the major VW websites for lying, cheating and stealing makes 90% of all people in a large hobby your "stalkers"? The court cases you've lost and never made good on - the judicial system is also "stalking" you? I'll introduce you to a new concept: Occam's razor. Its roughly the idea that the simplest explanation is likely to be correct one. You've got litteraly hundreds of people who know you for the liar, thief and cheat that you are and are not about to let you get away with it. Stalkers indeed. Sorry for the interruption foks, you've been warned. http://www.mariogavazzivintagewerks.com/ Thanks. |
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I easily could have changed my name but because I have no reason to hide, don't. The Freaks have done everyting but come to my shop to learn the truth. They have even posted my none existant chriminal record, worse speeding 45 in a 30 zone with out my license in my pocket on an emergince run to the hospital. Sorry I'm sure thats far more about me then you ever wanted to know. It kills me how far some people go for attention. no please back to sailing |
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You don't hide because you can't. Too late, skippy, facts are facts,
and we have your number. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeQ8UwWPP4Y http://www.mariogavazzivintagewerks.com/ |
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"Meyer" wrote in message ... You don't hide because you can't. Too late, skippy, facts are facts, and we have your number. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeQ8UwWPP4Y http://www.mariogavazzivintagewerks.com/ Can you say, RIP-OFF ARTIST! What an asshole Mario is. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:19:37 -0500, "Roger Long"
wrote: wrote (A terrifying account) Wow. It sounds like no one should be sailing on LI sound, including you. I had no idea it was the Bermuda Triangle of the Northeast. Please feel free to stay in your safe little fogbound lobster fields. |
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... On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:19:37 -0500, "Roger Long" wrote: wrote (A terrifying account) Wow. It sounds like no one should be sailing on LI sound, including you. I had no idea it was the Bermuda Triangle of the Northeast. Please feel free to stay in your safe little fogbound lobster fields. I don't know... lobster sounds pretty good.... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... I don't know... lobster sounds pretty good.... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com With mayo on a hotdog roll. Yummy. |
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