On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:57:21 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"slide" wrote in message
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Alan White wrote:
http://www.islandfreepress.org/2008A...eAvonSurf.html

He went down stairs to make a sandwich and ended up on the beach. Prior to
then, he tangled his rudder with a line and drifted for days until the CG
figured it out for him & cleared it.

A guy who can buy a nice boat like that must have some real money. I
wonder at his arrogance that he won't hire a pro captain to instruct him &
assist in the journey. Pride goeth....


We pro captains don't suffer fools well . . .


They seem quite partial to goofballs doing deliveries with them.. ;-)
http://www.maxwalkeryachtdelivery.com/damian.htm
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/Salamander/IMGP0041.JPG
http://www.wareing77.plus.com/movies/Celine_video.htm

Two meter troll wrote in news:393e56bb-0986-4e72-9780-
:

dunno..... from the look of that boat; i would suspect not.
if he is lucky the storms will float him, if he is crazy he will be on
the boat ready to go when it does.
if he has a tug set an pik for him he may be able to pull his boat
off into better water with his anchor winch.
I am crazy so i would have a good pik set and be waiting for the storm.


I can't help thinking about those waterbags from the youtube video hauling
over the top of the mast when the tide comes in and makes the sand fluid.

If you put a steady pressure on the mast to heel the boat over onto its
hull, that would start wiggling the keel buried deep to surface itself off
to the side, putting the weight onto the hull. Once the hull was bearing
the weight, on TOP of the sand, with the waves and tide awashing it all,
shouldn't a towboat be able to just haul her sliding on her hull back into
the water with a little pressure from a tugboat?

Might take a day or two for the pressure to roll her onto her side and pop
the keel free, but that sand awash like that gets soft and mushy with all
that wave action.

On Nov 19, 7:23*pm, Larry wrote:
Two meter troll wrote in news:393e56bb-0986-4e72-9780-
:

dunno..... from the look of that boat; i would suspect not.
if he is lucky the storms will float him, if he is crazy he will be on
the boat ready to go when it does.
if he has a tug set an pik for him *he may be able to pull his boat
off into better water with his anchor winch.
I am crazy so i would have a good pik set and be waiting for the storm.

I can't help thinking about those waterbags from the youtube video hauling
over the top of the mast when the tide comes in and makes the sand fluid.

If you put a steady pressure on the mast to heel the boat over onto its
hull, that would start wiggling the keel buried deep to surface itself off
to the side, putting the weight onto the hull. *Once the hull was bearing
the weight, on TOP of the sand, with the waves and tide awashing it all,
shouldn't a towboat be able to just haul her sliding on her hull back into
the water with a little pressure from a tugboat?

Might take a day or two for the pressure to roll her onto her side and pop
the keel free, but that sand awash like that gets soft and mushy with all
that wave action.

I would personally set my anchor winch with a low power pull for the
duration a tug would be in danger not only from the surf but from my
boat when it popped. better to take the risk on my self.

On 2008-11-19 23:25:56 -0500, Two meter troll said:

On Nov 19, 7:23*pm, Larry wrote:
Two meter troll wrote in news:393e56bb-0986-4e72-978
0-
:

dunno..... from the look of that boat; i would suspect not. if he is
lucky the storms will float him, if he is crazy he will be on the boat
ready to go when it does. if he has a tug set an pik for him *he may be
able to pull his boat off into better water with his anchor winch. I am
crazy so i would have a good pik set and be waiting for the storm.

I can't help thinking about those waterbags from the youtube video
hauling over the top of the mast when the tide comes in and makes the
sand fluid.

If you put a steady pressure on the mast to heel the boat over onto its
hull, that would start wiggling the keel buried deep to surface itself
of f to the side, putting the weight onto the hull. *Once the hull was
bearing the weight, on TOP of the sand, with the waves and tide
awashing it all, shouldn't a towboat be able to just haul her sliding
on her hull back into the water with a little pressure from a tugboat?

Might take a day or two for the pressure to roll her onto her side and
pop the keel free, but that sand awash like that gets soft and mushy
with all that wave action.

I would personally set my anchor winch with a low power pull for the
duration a tug would be in danger not only from the surf but from my
boat when it popped. better to take the risk on my self.

I sorta agree with both, but have seen a tower-friend dig a channel and
increase the depth at the same time with prop wash. He was sorta crazy.
Obviously did damage to impellers and pumps, and he rarely had paint
(or barnacles) on his props.

Don't know what the conditions were that put him on the shore, but the
conditions they last mentioned were strong from the NW, so blowing
water away. High tide debris on shore looks like storm conditions were
higher, but don't know what normal is there.

Also don't think that keel's going to come loose without some
mechanical help, but I don't know the sand on that shore. Am used to
the hard-pack on the Jersey shore that ain't going nowhere once it's
flowed around a keel.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

On Nov 19, 3:18*pm, "Alan White"
wrote:
http://www.islandfreepress.org/2008A...50-footSailboa...

This boat was anchored in Boston harbor (off Jefferies YC) through
September. I tacked up fairly close a couple times, but never saw
anyone on it.

On Nov 19, 9:14*pm, Jere Lull wrote:
On 2008-11-19 23:25:56 -0500, Two meter troll said:





On Nov 19, 7:23*pm, Larry wrote:
Two meter troll wrote in news:393e56bb-0986-4e72-978
0-
:

dunno..... from the look of that boat; i would suspect not. if he is
lucky the storms will float him, if he is crazy he will be on the boat
ready to go when it does. if he has a tug set an pik for him *he may be
able to pull his boat off into better water with his anchor winch. I am
crazy so i would have a good pik set and be waiting for the storm.

I can't help thinking about those waterbags from the youtube video
hauling over the top of the mast when the tide comes in and makes the
sand fluid.

If you put a steady pressure on the mast to heel the boat over onto its
hull, that would start wiggling the keel buried deep to surface itself
of f to the side, putting the weight onto the hull. *Once the hull was
bearing the weight, on TOP of the sand, with the waves and tide
awashing it all, shouldn't a towboat be able to just haul her sliding
on her hull back into the water with a little pressure from a tugboat?

Might take a day or two for the pressure to roll her onto her side and
pop the keel free, but that sand awash like that gets soft and mushy
with all that wave action.

I would personally set my anchor winch with a low power pull for the
duration a tug would be in danger not only from the surf but from my
boat when it popped. better to take the risk on my self.

I sorta agree with both, but have seen a tower-friend dig a channel and
increase the depth at the same time with prop wash. He was sorta crazy.
Obviously did damage to impellers and pumps, and he rarely had paint
(or barnacles) on his props.

Don't know what the conditions were that put him on the shore, but the
conditions they last mentioned were strong from the NW, so blowing
water away. High tide debris on shore looks like storm conditions were
higher, but don't know what normal is there.

Also don't think that keel's going to come loose without some
mechanical help, but I don't know the sand on that shore. Am used to
the hard-pack on the Jersey shore that ain't going nowhere once it's
flowed around a keel.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages:http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips:http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/- Hide quoted text -

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my dad has a picture of his boat the Quest with a pool round it from
his prop digging a path to the lifts in portorford. it can be done for
a shallow boat but i am not sure how well it would do for this deep of
hull.
a couple of ideas i had where a fish pump or a water pump to blast a
semiliquid channel out of the sand but this all would depend on how
hard it is packed. it is a tricky situation that will take some daring
and if the skipper is up to the task it can be done. I however see no
way to not damage the boat in one way or the other.

"Larry" wrote in message
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Two meter troll wrote in
news:393e56bb-0986-4e72-9780-
:

dunno..... from the look of that boat; i would suspect not.
if he is lucky the storms will float him, if he is crazy he will be on
the boat ready to go when it does.
if he has a tug set an pik for him he may be able to pull his boat
off into better water with his anchor winch.
I am crazy so i would have a good pik set and be waiting for the storm.


I can't help thinking about those waterbags from the youtube video hauling
over the top of the mast when the tide comes in and makes the sand fluid.

If you put a steady pressure on the mast to heel the boat over onto its
hull, that would start wiggling the keel buried deep to surface itself off
to the side, putting the weight onto the hull. Once the hull was bearing
the weight, on TOP of the sand, with the waves and tide awashing it all,
shouldn't a towboat be able to just haul her sliding on her hull back into
the water with a little pressure from a tugboat?

Might take a day or two for the pressure to roll her onto her side and pop
the keel free, but that sand awash like that gets soft and mushy with all
that wave action.

Larry is on the right track. A few years ago we grounded on a large flat
submerged rock during a race around Lismore Island, Scotland. Lots of
fellow-racers came to help, but she was stuck fast. A fellow with a 16-foot
dory and 50hp outboard came alongside, took our main halyard, and pulled us
off in about 30seconds. Very little damage done, lead keel scratched,
topsides OK.

I did query whether the halyard was up to the job, but the energy required
to heel the boat and pull her off, when you think about, was not all that
great.

Wait for the next spring tide!

Dennis.

Dennis Pogson wrote:

I did query whether the halyard was up to the job, but the energy
required to heel the boat and pull her off, when you think about, was
not all that great.

The proper way to do this yourself BTW, is to run the end of a rope anchor
rode through a block and attach the block to the spinnaker halyard. Hoist
the block to the mast head and then run the anchor out in the dinghy and set
it. This gives you the full length of the anchor rode to haul on. If you
attach the rode directly to the spinnarker halyard, the knot will stop the
line after a mast length of pulling which may not be sufficient and you will
lose time letting it down and retying. A jib sheet fairlead is a handy
block when time is short.

I successfully got a boat off on a falling tide this way by jumping to it
instantly when I felt her touch. I was doing a pass by a dock to check out
the docking situation and hit a shoal spot beyond it so this frantic
activity was taking place just a few feet from all the waterfront hangers on
which provided great entertainment.

A jib sheet winch with this leverage will drag a boat out of most
situations. I don't think the keel embedded in sand up to the hull is one
of them though. I think that fellow down in Hattaras needs a crane. He may
get his boat off but I doubt he will have running engines or that they will
run for long after they start due due to sand in raw water pumps and shaft
bearings. He doesn't sound like a sailor with the competence to sail out of
that situation once he gets the boat free.

--
Roger Long

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:25:56 -0800 (PST), Two meter troll
wrote:

On Nov 19, 7:23*pm, Larry wrote:
Two meter troll wrote in news:393e56bb-0986-4e72-9780-
:

dunno..... from the look of that boat; i would suspect not.
if he is lucky the storms will float him, if he is crazy he will be on
the boat ready to go when it does.
if he has a tug set an pik for him *he may be able to pull his boat
off into better water with his anchor winch.
I am crazy so i would have a good pik set and be waiting for the storm.

I can't help thinking about those waterbags from the youtube video hauling
over the top of the mast when the tide comes in and makes the sand fluid.

If you put a steady pressure on the mast to heel the boat over onto its
hull, that would start wiggling the keel buried deep to surface itself off
to the side, putting the weight onto the hull. *Once the hull was bearing
the weight, on TOP of the sand, with the waves and tide awashing it all,
shouldn't a towboat be able to just haul her sliding on her hull back into
the water with a little pressure from a tugboat?

Might take a day or two for the pressure to roll her onto her side and pop
the keel free, but that sand awash like that gets soft and mushy with all
that wave action.

I would personally set my anchor winch with a low power pull for the
duration a tug would be in danger not only from the surf but from my
boat when it popped. better to take the risk on my self.

Tug? Danger? You realize the towing wire on a tug is half a mile long.

Casady

Jere Lull wrote in news:2008112000140375249-
jerelull@maccom:

I sorta agree with both, but have seen a tower-friend dig a channel and
increase the depth at the same time with prop wash. He was sorta crazy.
Obviously did damage to impellers and pumps, and he rarely had paint
(or barnacles) on his props.



We have one towboat captain that comes to our little kiddie beach in the
Stono River with the towboat. He digs us a channel to run the family
runabouts through to the backside of the island to keep our boats out of
the wakes from the other boats. Doesn't seem to bother the massive screws
on the towboat that take the brunt of several thousand horsepower pulling
massive barges all day or he wouldn't be doing it. Several thousand HP
make a great little makeshift dredge...(c;