So I have posted here in the past about my outrigger sailing canoe
project but have not had much time to post progress updates.

First, we are going with 27' long. The plans use this as the example
of measurements for stretching the hull so the math is much easier
plus my brother just went out and bought a Rinker 250 (25') and put a
2 foot swim step on it so I'll burn in a fiery pit of hell before I
let him beat me. Not to mention that 27' will be good for 4 people to
sail aboard and not loose much performance. It is a canoe after all
and is about 1.5' wide in the main hull. I think it will sail best
with two to three people and I want, just once, to get 25kts.

Second, we got the mold stations up and perfectly straight. It took
a little time here because we didn't want a crooked boat, but you
could calibrate a laser to this thing. We got the lumber for the hull
and have been milling like there is no tomorrow. We are using Redwood
with Mahogany accent strips at the waterline. Right now we have
enough to do about 9 vertical inches of the hull. We need to cut a
lot more.

This week I am going to pick up the bamboo which will be used for the
mast and a few supports on the akas. Next weekend we are planning to
get the strips we milled on the molds and probably mill a bunch more
after that.

We have a long way to go still but I think we are making pretty good
progress considering our limited time and experience. It looks a
little daunting to see the molds up there. It is really big for such
a small boat and everyone says wow that's a lot longer than I thought
it would be. I think when I drop in the ocean and start heading for
Catalina or San Diego I wont think it's so big anymore.

Bill

On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 18:54:40 -0700, Bill
wrote:

So I have posted here in the past about my outrigger sailing canoe
project but have not had much time to post progress updates.

First, we are going with 27' long. The plans use this as the example
of measurements for stretching the hull so the math is much easier
plus my brother just went out and bought a Rinker 250 (25') and put a
2 foot swim step on it so I'll burn in a fiery pit of hell before I
let him beat me. Not to mention that 27' will be good for 4 people to
sail aboard and not loose much performance. It is a canoe after all
and is about 1.5' wide in the main hull. I think it will sail best
with two to three people and I want, just once, to get 25kts.

Second, we got the mold stations up and perfectly straight. It took
a little time here because we didn't want a crooked boat, but you
could calibrate a laser to this thing. We got the lumber for the hull
and have been milling like there is no tomorrow. We are using Redwood
with Mahogany accent strips at the waterline. Right now we have
enough to do about 9 vertical inches of the hull. We need to cut a
lot more.

This week I am going to pick up the bamboo which will be used for the
mast and a few supports on the akas. Next weekend we are planning to
get the strips we milled on the molds and probably mill a bunch more
after that.

We have a long way to go still but I think we are making pretty good
progress considering our limited time and experience. It looks a
little daunting to see the molds up there. It is really big for such
a small boat and everyone says wow that's a lot longer than I thought
it would be. I think when I drop in the ocean and start heading for
Catalina or San Diego I wont think it's so big anymore.

Bill


You know? I'd have another think about using bamboo for a mast.
Bamboo is a funny material as even though thoroughly cured it still
warps easily. In addition there are many different types of bamboo -
I'm not a specialist in bamboo but living in Thailand I do come in
contact with it and it is far less rigid then I had once thought.

If you are building a 27 ft. boat you must be thinking about a mast of
about the same length and I would have grave doubts that a single
stick of bamboo is going to be stiff enough.


Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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On Jul 2, 10:11 pm, Bruce wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 18:54:40 -0700, Bill





wrote:
So I have posted here in the past about my outrigger sailing canoe
project but have not had much time to post progress updates.

First, we are going with 27' long. The plans use this as the example
of measurements for stretching the hull so the math is much easier
plus my brother just went out and bought a Rinker 250 (25') and put a
2 foot swim step on it so I'll burn in a fiery pit of hell before I
let him beat me. Not to mention that 27' will be good for 4 people to
sail aboard and not loose much performance. It is a canoe after all
and is about 1.5' wide in the main hull. I think it will sail best
with two to three people and I want, just once, to get 25kts.

Second, we got the mold stations up and perfectly straight. It took
a little time here because we didn't want a crooked boat, but you
could calibrate a laser to this thing. We got the lumber for the hull
and have been milling like there is no tomorrow. We are using Redwood
with Mahogany accent strips at the waterline. Right now we have
enough to do about 9 vertical inches of the hull. We need to cut a
lot more.

This week I am going to pick up the bamboo which will be used for the
mast and a few supports on the akas. Next weekend we are planning to
get the strips we milled on the molds and probably mill a bunch more
after that.

We have a long way to go still but I think we are making pretty good
progress considering our limited time and experience. It looks a
little daunting to see the molds up there. It is really big for such
a small boat and everyone says wow that's a lot longer than I thought
it would be. I think when I drop in the ocean and start heading for
Catalina or San Diego I wont think it's so big anymore.

Bill

You know? I'd have another think about using bamboo for a mast.
Bamboo is a funny material as even though thoroughly cured it still
warps easily. In addition there are many different types of bamboo -
I'm not a specialist in bamboo but living in Thailand I do come in
contact with it and it is far less rigid then I had once thought.

If you are building a 27 ft. boat you must be thinking about a mast of
about the same length and I would have grave doubts that a single
stick of bamboo is going to be stiff enough.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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I'm treating the bamboo with epoxy on the inside and glassing the
outside. It wont absorb any water and it wont split plus the 10oz.
glass will help to make it a little stiffer and increase the strength
of the material. Bamboo is really strong stuff so I am pretty
confident. I am getting two just in case one breaks and it is fairly
inexpensive material. If it doesn't work I can make a new mast out of
solid wood.

On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:12:06 -0700, Bill
wrote:

On Jul 2, 10:11 pm, Bruce wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 18:54:40 -0700, Bill





wrote:
So I have posted here in the past about my outrigger sailing canoe
project but have not had much time to post progress updates.

First, we are going with 27' long. The plans use this as the example
of measurements for stretching the hull so the math is much easier
plus my brother just went out and bought a Rinker 250 (25') and put a
2 foot swim step on it so I'll burn in a fiery pit of hell before I
let him beat me. Not to mention that 27' will be good for 4 people to
sail aboard and not loose much performance. It is a canoe after all
and is about 1.5' wide in the main hull. I think it will sail best
with two to three people and I want, just once, to get 25kts.

Second, we got the mold stations up and perfectly straight. It took
a little time here because we didn't want a crooked boat, but you
could calibrate a laser to this thing. We got the lumber for the hull
and have been milling like there is no tomorrow. We are using Redwood
with Mahogany accent strips at the waterline. Right now we have
enough to do about 9 vertical inches of the hull. We need to cut a
lot more.

This week I am going to pick up the bamboo which will be used for the
mast and a few supports on the akas. Next weekend we are planning to
get the strips we milled on the molds and probably mill a bunch more
after that.

We have a long way to go still but I think we are making pretty good
progress considering our limited time and experience. It looks a
little daunting to see the molds up there. It is really big for such
a small boat and everyone says wow that's a lot longer than I thought
it would be. I think when I drop in the ocean and start heading for
Catalina or San Diego I wont think it's so big anymore.

Bill

You know? I'd have another think about using bamboo for a mast.
Bamboo is a funny material as even though thoroughly cured it still
warps easily. In addition there are many different types of bamboo -
I'm not a specialist in bamboo but living in Thailand I do come in
contact with it and it is far less rigid then I had once thought.

If you are building a 27 ft. boat you must be thinking about a mast of
about the same length and I would have grave doubts that a single
stick of bamboo is going to be stiff enough.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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I'm treating the bamboo with epoxy on the inside and glassing the
outside. It wont absorb any water and it wont split plus the 10oz.
glass will help to make it a little stiffer and increase the strength
of the material. Bamboo is really strong stuff so I am pretty
confident. I am getting two just in case one breaks and it is fairly
inexpensive material. If it doesn't work I can make a new mast out of
solid wood.

Well, it is your boat of course. But, do give some thought to the
reasons why people living in bamboo growing areas do not, as a rule,
use bamboo as mast material even though they may well use it as
battens in junk type sails.

How are you planning on treating the bamboo , on the inside, with
epoxy? Drilling a hole in each section and pour in epoxy, slosh it
around and pour it out?



Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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"Bruce" wrote in message
...

Well, it is your boat of course. But, do give some thought to the
reasons why people living in bamboo growing areas do not, as a rule,
use bamboo as mast material even though they may well use it as
battens in junk type sails.

How are you planning on treating the bamboo , on the inside, with
epoxy? Drilling a hole in each section and pour in epoxy, slosh it
around and pour it out?



Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)


Exactly...bamboo is a great and stong material , temporarily.

Great to roast your sticky rice in, but as a boat building material..... why
would anyone consider using it ?

...Ken

On Jul 3, 9:58 pm, "Island Teak" wrote:
"Bruce" wrote in message

...

Well, it is your boat of course. But, do give some thought to the
reasons why people living in bamboo growing areas do not, as a rule,
use bamboo as mast material even though they may well use it as
battens in junk type sails.

How are you planning on treating the bamboo , on the inside, with
epoxy? Drilling a hole in each section and pour in epoxy, slosh it
around and pour it out?

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

Exactly...bamboo is a great and stong material , temporarily.

Great to roast your sticky rice in, but as a boat building material..... why
would anyone consider using it ?

...Ken


actually it is used in boat building just not by rich folks; my time
in SE aisa was spent looking at boats made of bamboo either bundeled
or single lashed boats. these are all small water craft that see use
and repair often. the stuff is just not used long term. OTH treated
bamboo seems like a really good idea since the thing makeing it
unsuitable for boat building is it's splitting. IMO glassed and
internaly coated would work well. sorry folks i have built several
commercial fishing boats and have almost always tried to figure a way
to use bamboo.

On Jul 3, 5:19 pm, Bruce wrote:
On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:12:06 -0700, Bill



wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:11 pm, Bruce wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 18:54:40 -0700, Bill

wrote:
So I have posted here in the past about my outrigger sailing canoe
project but have not had much time to post progress updates.

First, we are going with 27' long. The plans use this as the example
of measurements for stretching the hull so the math is much easier
plus my brother just went out and bought a Rinker 250 (25') and put a
2 foot swim step on it so I'll burn in a fiery pit of hell before I
let him beat me. Not to mention that 27' will be good for 4 people to
sail aboard and not loose much performance. It is a canoe after all
and is about 1.5' wide in the main hull. I think it will sail best
with two to three people and I want, just once, to get 25kts.

Second, we got the mold stations up and perfectly straight. It took
a little time here because we didn't want a crooked boat, but you
could calibrate a laser to this thing. We got the lumber for the hull
and have been milling like there is no tomorrow. We are using Redwood
with Mahogany accent strips at the waterline. Right now we have
enough to do about 9 vertical inches of the hull. We need to cut a
lot more.

This week I am going to pick up the bamboo which will be used for the
mast and a few supports on the akas. Next weekend we are planning to
get the strips we milled on the molds and probably mill a bunch more
after that.

We have a long way to go still but I think we are making pretty good
progress considering our limited time and experience. It looks a
little daunting to see the molds up there. It is really big for such
a small boat and everyone says wow that's a lot longer than I thought
it would be. I think when I drop in the ocean and start heading for
Catalina or San Diego I wont think it's so big anymore.

Bill

You know? I'd have another think about using bamboo for a mast.
Bamboo is a funny material as even though thoroughly cured it still
warps easily. In addition there are many different types of bamboo -
I'm not a specialist in bamboo but living in Thailand I do come in
contact with it and it is far less rigid then I had once thought.

If you are building a 27 ft. boat you must be thinking about a mast of
about the same length and I would have grave doubts that a single
stick of bamboo is going to be stiff enough.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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I'm treating the bamboo with epoxy on the inside and glassing the
outside. It wont absorb any water and it wont split plus the 10oz.
glass will help to make it a little stiffer and increase the strength
of the material. Bamboo is really strong stuff so I am pretty
confident. I am getting two just in case one breaks and it is fairly
inexpensive material. If it doesn't work I can make a new mast out of
solid wood.

Well, it is your boat of course. But, do give some thought to the
reasons why people living in bamboo growing areas do not, as a rule,
use bamboo as mast material even though they may well use it as
battens in junk type sails.

How are you planning on treating the bamboo , on the inside, with
epoxy? Drilling a hole in each section and pour in epoxy, slosh it
around and pour it out?

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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Cut it in half, clean it out and coat with epoxy. Then epoxy the two
halves back together and put a biaxial fiberglass tube over the
outside. Resin sand varnish. Bamboo has been used in boat building
for a really long time.

On Jul 3, 5:12 pm, Bill wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:11 pm, Bruce wrote:





On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 18:54:40 -0700, Bill

wrote:
So I have posted here in the past about my outrigger sailing canoe
project but have not had much time to post progress updates.

First, we are going with 27' long. The plans use this as the example
of measurements for stretching the hull so the math is much easier
plus my brother just went out and bought a Rinker 250 (25') and put a
2 foot swim step on it so I'll burn in a fiery pit of hell before I
let him beat me. Not to mention that 27' will be good for 4 people to
sail aboard and not loose much performance. It is a canoe after all
and is about 1.5' wide in the main hull. I think it will sail best
with two to three people and I want, just once, to get 25kts.

Second, we got the mold stations up and perfectly straight. It took
a little time here because we didn't want a crooked boat, but you
could calibrate a laser to this thing. We got the lumber for the hull
and have been milling like there is no tomorrow. We are using Redwood
with Mahogany accent strips at the waterline. Right now we have
enough to do about 9 vertical inches of the hull. We need to cut a
lot more.

This week I am going to pick up the bamboo which will be used for the
mast and a few supports on the akas. Next weekend we are planning to
get the strips we milled on the molds and probably mill a bunch more
after that.

We have a long way to go still but I think we are making pretty good
progress considering our limited time and experience. It looks a
little daunting to see the molds up there. It is really big for such
a small boat and everyone says wow that's a lot longer than I thought
it would be. I think when I drop in the ocean and start heading for
Catalina or San Diego I wont think it's so big anymore.

Bill

You know? I'd have another think about using bamboo for a mast.
Bamboo is a funny material as even though thoroughly cured it still
warps easily. In addition there are many different types of bamboo -
I'm not a specialist in bamboo but living in Thailand I do come in
contact with it and it is far less rigid then I had once thought.

If you are building a 27 ft. boat you must be thinking about a mast of
about the same length and I would have grave doubts that a single
stick of bamboo is going to be stiff enough.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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I'm treating the bamboo with epoxy on the inside and glassing the
outside. It wont absorb any water

Why would it not absorb water? Epoxy is not water proof, water
resistant yes, proof, no.

and it wont split plus the 10oz.
glass will help to make it a little stiffer and increase the strength
of the material. Bamboo is really strong stuff so I am pretty
confident. I am getting two just in case one breaks and it is fairly
inexpensive material. If it doesn't work I can make a new mast out of
solid wood.

Keep your solid wood handy

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Why would it not absorb water? Epoxy is not water proof, water
resistant yes, proof, no.

I'm not leaving it in the water. It is going to be stored on land.
Both ends swill be plugged. You can argue the ideal possibilities all
day but its basically doing a wood/fiberglass composite structure
using bamboo. Bamboo is a very strong natural structure and I am
using a pole much wider than recommended to increase strength even
more. You and Bruce don't have to sail on it. I need it light weight
to go faster and get better handling characterisitcs. Why do you care
so much? Have you ever tried it? Are you invested in my project in
some way? Why not just say 'good luck and let me know if it works
out'?

On Jul 5, 1:30 pm, Bill wrote:
Why would it not absorb water? Epoxy is not water proof, water
resistant yes, proof, no.

I'm not leaving it in the water. It is going to be stored on land.
Both ends swill be plugged. You can argue the ideal possibilities all
day but its basically doing a wood/fiberglass composite structure
using bamboo. Bamboo is a very strong natural structure and I am
using a pole much wider than recommended to increase strength even
more. You and Bruce don't have to sail on it. I need it light weight
to go faster and get better handling characterisitcs. Why do you care
so much? Have you ever tried it? Are you invested in my project in
some way? Why not just say 'good luck and let me know if it works
out'?

Well, sorry you are so defensive. The reason I care is this is a
builders group, and I am a builder. You came here for help (unless you
are just dreaming and bragging) and I thought I was helping. Screw you
though, I won't make that mistake again. I can't imagine coming to
someone for help, then turning into an ahole when you hear something
you don't want to hear or address, but that's just me.