wrote:
Anybody know of any plans preferably stitch and glue, for a small
13-15 foot sport boat with a similar shape or performance as the 13
foot sport whalers, trihull design? Or any other suggestions for
small, light open fishing boat, preferably not a pointy hull or single
V, but not flat bottomed either, that would fish one person, and fly
with a 25 horse? Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
NOTE: I have a lot of experience with resin and cloth/glass and good
wood working capabilities/shop and have done stitch and tape too, so I
can take on a more difficult build without much problem.

You're asking for a lot. The whaler hull is pretty complex. You might
want to check out the Diablo or Diablo Grande:

http://www.instantboats.com/diablog.htm

If you have done stitch and tape you are probably already familiar with
the Payson boats. IMO, performance is not the whaler's strong suit but
rather safety and stability derived from whaler's sandwiched foam core
construction. There may be some buildable designs basrd on the
Livingston hulls that would meet your needs. If anyone knows of a
Livingston tack and tape knock-off I would be interested in seeing it.

Tom

On Jun 3, 1:08 pm, KD6EVM wrote:
wrote:
Anybody know of any plans preferably stitch and glue, for a small
13-15 foot sport boat with a similar shape or performance as the 13
foot sport whalers, trihull design? Or any other suggestions for
small, light open fishing boat, preferably not a pointy hull or single
V, but not flat bottomed either, that would fish one person, and fly
with a 25 horse? Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
NOTE: I have a lot of experience with resin and cloth/glass and good
wood working capabilities/shop and have done stitch and tape too, so I
can take on a more difficult build without much problem.

You're asking for a lot. The whaler hull is pretty complex. You might
want to check out the Diablo or Diablo Grande:

http://www.instantboats.com/diablog.htm

If you have done stitch and tape you are probably already familiar with
the Payson boats. IMO, performance is not the whaler's strong suit but
rather safety and stability derived from whaler's sandwiched foam core
construction. There may be some buildable designs basrd on the
Livingston hulls that would meet your needs. If anyone knows of a
Livingston tack and tape knock-off I would be interested in seeing it.

Tom

Yes, very familiar with Payson and the skiffs, however that is not the
right boat for the job. I need a fast, shallow boat that can be
powered easily or rowed for steerage in slow current. We would use
this boat for single handed fishing in skinny water or at times to get
out and play on the lake, aaaaaaand, it also needs to be useful as a
crabbing skiff which I think it will. I have designed a whaler type
hull of panels. It is 13 feet long and 5 feet wide. It should handle a
good size motor for speed between fishing grounds, and still can be
rowed around in the low water in crabbing season. Our origional
crabbing skiff was Paysons skimmer, still a very fun boat but a little
small for general fun. A 12 foot version would be ideal so I decided
to go 13 and add a tri hull and some pleasing lines. I may start this
week, I am very excited looking at the lines I have developed
(borrowed from pics of many Whalers I have seen) for my new crabbing
skiff. I am just wondering if I should come down to 4 1/2 feet wide
but that is my only problem at this point. I should also note that I
need a bigger fishing boat and looked at Diablo Grande, but have
decided on a John Gardner 16 foot semi dory instead which I hope to do
this fall or as soon as the runabout is done.

I have 3 Boston Whalers in my family ( two 17 foot Montauks and a 15
footer) and I'm building a dory because the Boston Whaler might be the
most over-rated boat in history. If your going fishing in a pond with
no waves a whaler is great. If the lake has waves a whaler will drive
you crazy.Forget about rowing a whaler. It's an awsome bayboat with a
shallow draft but I'll take a flat bottomed dory anyday over a whaler.
It's not a dry boat,you can't sail a whaler and it's terrible in
trailing seas. It's actually extremely one dimensional which is it is
good in shallow calm water and that's it.


On Jun 4, 8:33 am, wrote:
On Jun 3, 1:08 pm, KD6EVM wrote:



wrote:
Anybody know of any plans preferably stitch and glue, for a small
13-15 foot sport boat with a similar shape or performance as the 13
foot sport whalers, trihull design? Or any other suggestions for
small, light open fishing boat, preferably not a pointy hull or single
V, but not flat bottomed either, that would fish one person, and fly
with a 25 horse? Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
NOTE: I have a lot of experience with resin and cloth/glass and good
wood working capabilities/shop and have done stitch and tape too, so I
can take on a more difficult build without much problem.

You're asking for a lot. The whaler hull is pretty complex. You might
want to check out the Diablo or Diablo Grande:

http://www.instantboats.com/diablog.htm

If you have done stitch and tape you are probably already familiar with
the Payson boats. IMO, performance is not the whaler's strong suit but
rather safety and stability derived from whaler's sandwiched foam core
construction. There may be some buildable designs basrd on the
Livingston hulls that would meet your needs. If anyone knows of a
Livingston tack and tape knock-off I would be interested in seeing it.

Tom

Yes, very familiar with Payson and the skiffs, however that is not the
right boat for the job. I need a fast, shallow boat that can be
powered easily or rowed for steerage in slow current. We would use
this boat for single handed fishing in skinny water or at times to get
out and play on the lake, aaaaaaand, it also needs to be useful as a
crabbing skiff which I think it will. I have designed a whaler type
hull of panels. It is 13 feet long and 5 feet wide. It should handle a
good size motor for speed between fishing grounds, and still can be
rowed around in the low water in crabbing season. Our origional
crabbing skiff was Paysons skimmer, still a very fun boat but a little
small for general fun. A 12 foot version would be ideal so I decided
to go 13 and add a tri hull and some pleasing lines. I may start this
week, I am very excited looking at the lines I have developed
(borrowed from pics of many Whalers I have seen) for my new crabbing
skiff. I am just wondering if I should come down to 4 1/2 feet wide
but that is my only problem at this point. I should also note that I
need a bigger fishing boat and looked at Diablo Grande, but have
decided on a John Gardner 16 foot semi dory instead which I hope to do
this fall or as soon as the runabout is done.

On Jul 6, 5:58 pm, wrote:
I have 3 Boston Whalers in my family ( two 17 foot Montauks and a 15
footer) and I'm building a dory because the Boston Whaler might be the
most over-rated boat in history. If your going fishing in a pond with
no waves a whaler is great. If the lake has waves a whaler will drive
you crazy.Forget about rowing a whaler. It's an awsome bayboat with a
shallow draft but I'll take a flat bottomed dory anyday over a whaler.
It's not a dry boat,you can't sail a whaler and it's terrible in
trailing seas. It's actually extremely one dimensional which is it is
good in shallow calm water and that's it.




Thanks for the input. I will take another look at the Montauks, but I
think it is more of a vee hull with some planing decks, not a tri-hull
like the sport 13, I could be wrong but I will look. I actually have a
fishing boat for bigger water and the sound, but this one would be for
small lakes, fishing, only waves are the ski boats. I would probably
drag the kids around with a tube, and take it to the mouth of the
river nights for crabbing. That's why I am interested in the square
nose as it is best to crab with two up front and it's easier in a
square than a pointy skiff. Another problem is for the small lakes I
fish in now, my big pointy skiff is a little heavy to load and unload.
I will go look at some boats, see if I can get a ride in a Whaler
Sport before I start to build. If anyone wants to see the lines I drew
up, send me an email and I will send over a file made with Carlson's
"Hulls" software. I can send the whole program if you wish. It is a
self contained, simple program that runs within it's own directory, no
installation necessary. Anyway, hear is won't run right on Vista, but
it runs fine for me on Vista. I am not affiliated with Carlson and
have no interest except I think it is a cool program. And it's free.

No, Montauks are tri hull. The new whalers have more of a vee hull
because I think people started to realize how useless Whalers are.
Whalers plane off great but hopefully you don't hit any waves. It's
sort of hard to imagine any body of water with no waves. BTW, you're
probably wondering why we own 3. I had nothing to do with the
purchase of any and everybody looked at me like I had three heads when
I said " Whalers are useless". You know, you get the "well if you cut
them in half they still float", great, how often does that happen?
OTOH, how often are there waves? We use them in a bay where the water
can get extremely shallow but really can't go out into the open water
unless your idea of fun is herniating a few discs in your lower
back .

On Jul 6, 7:33 pm, wrote:
On Jul 6, 5:58 pm, wrote: I have 3 Boston Whalers in my family ( two 17 foot Montauks and a 15
footer) and I'm building a dory because the Boston Whaler might be the
most over-rated boat in history. If your going fishing in a pond with
no waves a whaler is great. If the lake has waves a whaler will drive
you crazy.Forget about rowing a whaler. It's an awsome bayboat with a
shallow draft but I'll take a flat bottomed dory anyday over a whaler.
It's not a dry boat,you can't sail a whaler and it's terrible in
trailing seas. It's actually extremely one dimensional which is it is
good in shallow calm water and that's it.

Thanks for the input. I will take another look at the Montauks, but I
think it is more of a vee hull with some planing decks, not a tri-hull
like the sport 13, I could be wrong but I will look. I actually have a
fishing boat for bigger water and the sound, but this one would be for
small lakes, fishing, only waves are the ski boats. I would probably
drag the kids around with a tube, and take it to the mouth of the
river nights for crabbing. That's why I am interested in the square
nose as it is best to crab with two up front and it's easier in a
square than a pointy skiff. Another problem is for the small lakes I
fish in now, my big pointy skiff is a little heavy to load and unload.
I will go look at some boats, see if I can get a ride in a Whaler
Sport before I start to build. If anyone wants to see the lines I drew
up, send me an email and I will send over a file made with Carlson's
"Hulls" software. I can send the whole program if you wish. It is a
self contained, simple program that runs within it's own directory, no
installation necessary. Anyway, hear is won't run right on Vista, but
it runs fine for me on Vista. I am not affiliated with Carlson and
have no interest except I think it is a cool program. And it's free.

BTW, If you really hate someone invite them for a boat ride in your
Boston Whaler and make them sit in the bow facing the stern. Then
Bring the Whaler to full speed and hit another boats wake at full
speed without warning the person sitting in the bow. Instant
paralysis.

On Jul 6, 9:39 pm, wrote:
No, Montauks are tri hull. The new whalers have more of a vee hull
because I think people started to realize how useless Whalers are.
Whalers plane off great but hopefully you don't hit any waves. It's
sort of hard to imagine any body of water with no waves. BTW, you're
probably wondering why we own 3. I had nothing to do with the
purchase of any and everybody looked at me like I had three heads when
I said " Whalers are useless". You know, you get the "well if you cut
them in half they still float", great, how often does that happen?
OTOH, how often are there waves? We use them in a bay where the water
can get extremely shallow but really can't go out into the open water
unless your idea of fun is herniating a few discs in your lower
back .

On Jul 6, 7:33 pm, wrote:

On Jul 6, 5:58 pm, wrote: I have 3 Boston Whalers in my family ( two 17 foot Montauks and a 15
footer) and I'm building a dory because the Boston Whaler might be the
most over-rated boat in history. If your going fishing in a pond with
no waves a whaler is great. If the lake has waves a whaler will drive
you crazy.Forget about rowing a whaler. It's an awsome bayboat with a
shallow draft but I'll take a flat bottomed dory anyday over a whaler.
It's not a dry boat,you can't sail a whaler and it's terrible in
trailing seas. It's actually extremely one dimensional which is it is
good in shallow calm water and that's it.

Thanks for the input. I will take another look at the Montauks, but I
think it is more of a vee hull with some planing decks, not a tri-hull
like the sport 13, I could be wrong but I will look. I actually have a
fishing boat for bigger water and the sound, but this one would be for
small lakes, fishing, only waves are the ski boats. I would probably
drag the kids around with a tube, and take it to the mouth of the
river nights for crabbing. That's why I am interested in the square
nose as it is best to crab with two up front and it's easier in a
square than a pointy skiff. Another problem is for the small lakes I
fish in now, my big pointy skiff is a little heavy to load and unload.
I will go look at some boats, see if I can get a ride in a Whaler
Sport before I start to build. If anyone wants to see the lines I drew
up, send me an email and I will send over a file made with Carlson's
"Hulls" software. I can send the whole program if you wish. It is a
self contained, simple program that runs within it's own directory, no
installation necessary. Anyway, hear is won't run right on Vista, but
it runs fine for me on Vista. I am not affiliated with Carlson and
have no interest except I think it is a cool program. And it's free.

On Jul 6, 10:43 pm, wrote:
BTW, If you really hate someone invite them for a boat ride in your
Boston Whaler and make them sit in the bow facing the stern. Then
Bring the Whaler to full speed and hit another boats wake at full
speed without warning the person sitting in the bow. Instant
paralysis.

LOL. Talked to the Cods (Cops) this morning up at the lake. They have
a Sport 13 with a 90 on it. The guy said the 40 did not push it
enough. Of course at the lake there is not to much pounding, less than
100 acres. I almost asked if I could take a ride, but I just can't
bring myself to ask for a ride in a Police car, even if it is a
boat

Maybe I will stop up later this afternoon when they are chasing the
drunks and see how it rides.


A lot depends on your perspective, here is mine now.
yaimkool.com

Thanks again for the info, and the laugh. I will be doing a little
more research. Maybe if I get really drunk and splash the Cods I'll
get a ride in that Whaler,,,, no, not a good idea, wife says no.
Kidding guys. Have a great afternoon. Stay safe, hope you all get on
the water.