I was wondering if anyone has used the sound deadening foamrubber that
they sell in sheets of 1 in or 1/2 in to quiet the engine. I have a
four winns I/O that is not to noisy, but most of the material has
fallen off over the years. How much quieter would she be if I redid
this. Are there any tricks to putting it in and where does it go for
best results?
any info would be great
thanks

I have some play in the rudder of my 31 foot 1971 Seafarer sloop. I
think it is a Tripp design, full keel. What I'm hoping to find out from
someone in the group is - How is this rudder connected to the stainless
shaft which connects to the tiller? Through-bolts in the shaft which are
imbedded in the fiberglass?? or welded straps?? If so, how many and
where? Has this happened to any one else?
Any ideas for a fix?? Should I even worry about a little play in this
connection?
The rudder on this boat is mounted on a triangular fin which is
just aft of the prop which shaft comes out of a little shelf in the
back of the keel (if you can visualize that)

Thanks for any ideas

Laura and Brian,

If there is looseness between the rudder shank and the blade, yes. More
about this down the page.

If you are just feeling some backlash in the system, it is and indicator
of problems, but the potential for problems is widely variable.

I do not know the Seafarers well, but most boats of that period that I
have had to do something about have had similar structures and problems.

Worst Case First:
Many boats of this period had a mild steel plate welded to the stainless
rudder shank. The plan was that it could not corrode as it was embeded
in the hightly filled polyester material that was the rudder core. Nice
plan, sorry. With age and use the bond would fail and let water into
the shank and down to the mentioned plate. The plate then corrodes and
swells the rudder apart and finally it will fail near the weld to the shank.

If the shank to blade junction is not the problem, there are other
places to look:
Many boats have a machined plug in the top of the shank that is secured
with, taper pins, roll pins or deeply shunk flat head screws. Any of
these can get loose and they can not be serviced with the rudder mounted.

The rudder head is probably secured to the shank plug above with either
a key and a radial fastener or a V notch and key with an axial fastener.

The key version frequently get beat up and develops some play. This is
not simple to fix as the complete assemble has to be removed and gotten
to a sailboat friendly machine shop. The key ways can be re-cut and a
key that fits them properly producted.

I have never have to repair the V-notch version.

Though I know none of this is good news. I hope it is enough
information to keep you from loosing rudder control some fine day.

Matt Colie A.Sloop "Bonne Ide'e"
Lifelong Waterman, Licensed Mariner and Congenital Sailor

Laura or Brian wrote:


I have some play in the rudder of my 31 foot 1971 Seafarer sloop. I
think it is a Tripp design, full keel. What I'm hoping to find out from
someone in the group is - How is this rudder connected to the stainless
shaft which connects to the tiller? Through-bolts in the shaft which are
imbedded in the fiberglass?? or welded straps?? If so, how many and
where? Has this happened to any one else?
Any ideas for a fix?? Should I even worry about a little play in this
connection?
The rudder on this boat is mounted on a triangular fin which is just
aft of the prop which shaft comes out of a little shelf in the back of
the keel (if you can visualize that)

Thanks for any ideas