On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 04:14:26 GMT, Jim Conlin
wrote:

This is beginning to sound like commercial advertising.

On posts which contribute expertise or special insight on a problem, a
tasteful trailer with a tag line and a web link is generally tolerated . An
announcement of a hard-to-find item, like okoume ply in Oklahoma or 1/8" WRC
veneer would be, too.

Yet another tacky CAD rendering of an un-built, un-tested design we can live
without.

I disagree. Matt is a contributing participant in this newsgroup who
frequently chips in comments and help on subjects that do not affect
his business. If he wants to announce a new design his company is
selling, that's great with me. I would be happy to read the
occasional announcement from Steve Baker, Jacques Mertens, or any
other plan producer who contributes to r.b.b.

If someone wants to drop in to post spam and then disappear, I'm with
Jim.

- Rick Tyler

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depths of ignominy." Patrick O'Brian

Rick Tyler wrote:

I disagree. Matt is a contributing participant in this newsgroup who
frequently chips in comments and help on subjects that do not affect
his business. If he wants to announce a new design his company is
selling, that's great with me. I would be happy to read the
occasional announcement from Steve Baker, Jacques Mertens, or any
other plan producer who contributes to r.b.b.

If someone wants to drop in to post spam and then disappear, I'm with
Jim.

I am with you. Actually we went through this several months ago. There
is nothing in the charter for this news group that prohibits commercial
posts. It has become a custom here to limit it to anouncements by
regular participants which Matt qualifies as.

Unfortunately because of some self appointed newsgroup police we have
lost a number of valuable resources in the past. I had hoped that we
learn from experience.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

and besides,

if you buy one of my plans, you get naked pictures of various female
celebrities and your private parts will grow by 3 inches!

lol...sorry. Couldn't resist.

--
Matt Langenfeld
JEM Watercraft
http://jem.e-boat.net/

Glenn Ashmore wrote:


Rick Tyler wrote:

I disagree. Matt is a contributing participant in this newsgroup who
frequently chips in comments and help on subjects that do not affect
his business. If he wants to announce a new design his company is
selling, that's great with me. I would be happy to read the
occasional announcement from Steve Baker, Jacques Mertens, or any
other plan producer who contributes to r.b.b.

If someone wants to drop in to post spam and then disappear, I'm with
Jim.


I am with you. Actually we went through this several months ago. There
is nothing in the charter for this news group that prohibits commercial
posts. It has become a custom here to limit it to anouncements by
regular participants which Matt qualifies as.

Unfortunately because of some self appointed newsgroup police we have
lost a number of valuable resources in the past. I had hoped that we
learn from experience.

Matt Langenfeld ) writes:
and besides,

if you buy one of my plans, you get naked pictures of various female
celebrities and your private parts will grow by 3 inches!

is that homophobic?


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On 26 Apr 2004 11:38:57 GMT, (William R.
Watt) wrote:

Matt Langenfeld ) writes:
and besides,

if you buy one of my plans, you get naked pictures of various female
celebrities and your private parts will grow by 3 inches!

is that homophobic?

Not if you are female.

Brian W

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:54:55 GMT, Brian Whatcott
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

your private parts will grow by 3 inches!

if you are female.

Now that's....no...
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Glenn Ashmore ) writes:

Unfortunately because of some self appointed newsgroup police we have
lost a number of valuable resources in the past. I had hoped that we
learn from experience.

what this newsgroup lost were promoters who discouraged (and
that's putting it mildly) discussion of alternatives.

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(William R. Watt) wrote in message ...
Glenn Ashmore ) writes:

Unfortunately because of some self appointed newsgroup police we have
lost a number of valuable resources in the past. I had hoped that we
learn from experience.

what this newsgroup lost were promoters who discouraged (and
that's putting it mildly) discussion of alternatives.

Sorry to disagree but I know for certain that Kern Hendricks from
System Three doesn't post anymnore because of the flaming. He provided
valuable information about epoxy in general.
The anti business attitude of some users results in the loss of good
contributors.
This has an historical base considering that the Usenet started as a
tool to exchange information between universities, a place where free
entreprise is not welcome and where capitalist ideas are censored.
It's time to grow up, professionals can be a great asset to this
group. Would you refuse advice from your doctor or lawyer because he
charges for his services?
The advice and information given here by professionals is free, it is
only normal that they state who they are and what they sell.
It is not a sin to be a boating professional!


Jacques from bateau.com

Jacques, I have greatly valued the contributions of you and Kern and others. Your professional
qualifications add credibility to your generous advice, and you never let the your business interest become
the primary message. I don't think that i've mentioned, much less promoted, my boatbuilding business here,
and I won't.

I begin to have a problem when someone's message is not one of knowledgeable help with a boatbuilding issue
but instead touting a mundane product.

I hope that you will continue to contribute your wisdom and I wish that Kern would return. We don't now
have someone knowledgeable about epoxy or LPU finishes.
Jim


Jacques wrote:

(William R. Watt) wrote in message ...
Glenn Ashmore ) writes:

Unfortunately because of some self appointed newsgroup police we have
lost a number of valuable resources in the past. I had hoped that we
learn from experience.

what this newsgroup lost were promoters who discouraged (and
that's putting it mildly) discussion of alternatives.

Sorry to disagree but I know for certain that Kern Hendricks from
System Three doesn't post anymnore because of the flaming. He provided
valuable information about epoxy in general.
The anti business attitude of some users results in the loss of good
contributors.
This has an historical base considering that the Usenet started as a
tool to exchange information between universities, a place where free
entreprise is not welcome and where capitalist ideas are censored.
It's time to grow up, professionals can be a great asset to this
group. Would you refuse advice from your doctor or lawyer because he
charges for his services?
The advice and information given here by professionals is free, it is
only normal that they state who they are and what they sell.
It is not a sin to be a boating professional!

Jacques from bateau.com

Jacques ) writes:

The advice and information given here by professionals is free, it is
only normal that they state who they are and what they sell.
It is not a sin to be a boating professional!

the advice was not unbiased, quite the opposite. that Kern guy criticized
anyone who used anything but epopxy, which he just happened to sell.

I suspect a lot of people with something to sell now spend time on their
own websites and don't participate in newsgroup discussions. With a
website a person gets to display products in full colour all the time and
can avoid any hint of disagreement. I prefer to spend my time in
newsgroups where anyone can disagree with me and propose better
alternatives, and because I don't have income from sales to put into a
fancy website and write it off as a business expense.

You are right about the Usenet. It was created by universities to promote
learning through open discussion. Still does for those who really want to
learn and not just impose their views and products on people.



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