Actually, in looking through all of the paper work and correspondences, I
don't see any License Agreement.

Bare in mind that these plans are the result fo a design competition
sponsored by the Intenational Amateur Boat Building Society (iabbs).
Followed by promotion, sale and distribution.

As a submitted entry for the second 'iabbs' design competition this Peter
Ibold design would have became the property of 'iabbs'. However, no where on
the drawing or 'iabbs' liturature do I see any copyright markings or notes.

Therefore I have no reservations about selling these drawing for the purpose
of building that 'single' boat.

Steve

http://hood.hctc.com/~esteve/private...ndurance35.pdf

Max Camirand wrote in message . ..
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 07:21:31 GMT, Old Nick
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:42:06 -0800, "Steve" vaguely
proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Beware the legalities of onselling used plans.

Unless otherwise noted in the plans, the only legality he has to worry
about is weather it meets current (at time of sale, not when drawn)
safety regulations. Even selling old plans, you are supposed to adjust
or ammend for this purpose, many designers don't, and I don't know
what you would do about a book like the Gardner books... Many of those
boats are not considered safe by todays standards, but of course these
are safe boats for people with brains...



Yeah, as far as I know, plans can only legally be used to produce one
boat. Additional royalties must be paid for additional boats.

I'm sure Steve knows that, though.

-m

----
Boatbuilder-friendly small sawmill in Ottawa/Gatineau region.

And many of today's so-called safe boats will kill you quicker than
Gardner's designs. Bureaucrats... who needs them?

Brian


"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...
Max Camirand wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 07:21:31 GMT, Old Nick
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:42:06 -0800, "Steve" vaguely
proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Beware the legalities of onselling used plans.

Unless otherwise noted in the plans, the only legality he has to worry
about is weather it meets current (at time of sale, not when drawn)
safety regulations. Even selling old plans, you are supposed to adjust
or ammend for this purpose, many designers don't, and I don't know
what you would do about a book like the Gardner books... Many of those
boats are not considered safe by todays standards, but of course these
are safe boats for people with brains...



Yeah, as far as I know, plans can only legally be used to produce one
boat. Additional royalties must be paid for additional boats.

I'm sure Steve knows that, though.

-m

----
Boatbuilder-friendly small sawmill in Ottawa/Gatineau region.

I'm not sure of what safety regulations your talking about.. ABYC, USCG, ??

The boat designs that I have dealt with never got down to such detail. These
element are left to the builder wisdom and discretion.. Even if your talking
about fastener types or material, that is also left to the builder.

Load and passenger capacity plate? Nah! not applicable in a 38 ft boat.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

I think that as a designer, the only safety regs you have to follow are the
USCG rules, which have less to do with boat design than they have to do with
systems and things like loading and powering. If you're a manufacturer,
then following ABYC guidelines are a good idea since there is a lot of court
precedent that says if you don't, then you chose to be liable. As anybody
with a boat, buying or building or owning, following ABYC guidelines makes
good sense since most if not all were derived from real-life issues and
experiences. Anyway, this is how I understand it. I'd love to be corrected
if I'm wrong...

Brian


"Steve" wrote in message
...
I'm not sure of what safety regulations your talking about.. ABYC, USCG,
??

The boat designs that I have dealt with never got down to such detail.
These
element are left to the builder wisdom and discretion.. Even if your
talking
about fastener types or material, that is also left to the builder.

Load and passenger capacity plate? Nah! not applicable in a 38 ft boat.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

"Steve" wrote in message ...
I'm not sure of what safety regulations your talking about.. ABYC, USCG, ??

The boat designs that I have dealt with never got down to such detail. These
element are left to the builder wisdom and discretion.. Even if your talking
about fastener types or material, that is also left to the builder.

Load and passenger capacity plate? Nah! not applicable in a 38 ft boat.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

Ah, yeah I really was not paying attention, a 38 footer does not need
the same stuff as the boats I build. Anyway Steve, how much do you
want for the plans?
Scotty...

Beware the legalities of onselling used plans.


These plans were purchase with license to build one boat. I have never built
that boat.. There shouldn't be any problem selling them to anyone else.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions