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Watermakers and Chlorine -Correction for Steve D
Paolo Zini wrote: Only for my education.... I have read somewhere about "home made" watermakers... but I don't rember where... I have made my google homework... :-) No result. Do you have any reference, link, info? I am interested in one small, simple unit for a sailboat... Tank you Paolo I have a couple of pages about the one I built on my site under the "Systems" section. http://www.rutuonline.com/html/watermaker.html It is not small (800GPD) but with a lot of research and a little imaginative procurement it came out just a little over $2,500. Because it is engine driven I had to add a speed interlock to protect the system which added about $150. I went a little overboard adding a 3 button remote controls with digital flow and pressure displays for the cockpit and nav station, automatic flush and electronic TDS product diverter but if you did a basic manual 800GPD system it could come out under $2K. My sources were all in the US but you should be able to find the similar equipment in the EU. You might get better prices on Sehan membranes over there than Filmtec and Bekaert Composites housings may be easier to get than A&M. The key is to find a good deal on a stainless or nickel aluminum bronze head pump. Grundfos makes a titanium head pump to die for but they are very expensive. Ideally you want a 1200 PSI plunger pump with at least seven times the desired product water flow . The more common 3000PSI pressure washer pumps are not as efficient at the 800PSI an R/O system operates at. Once you get the pump there is not a lot of difference in cost (about $450) between a 400 and 800 GPD system. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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Watermakers and Chlorine -Correction for Steve D
I have a couple of pages about the one I built on my site under the "Systems" section. http://www.rutuonline.com/html/watermaker.html When I made my search, you can believe it or not, but the first place where I searched is your page.... I definitively need new lenses... :-( I have initially discarded the watermaker idea, because the cost, but a do-it-youself version is appealing for a "bricoleur"... :-) I am building a small cat (cat 254 from Fisher's plans) and i need a smaller installation. My main concern is the power source. The cat will have only one small auxiliary outboard... The possible alternatives ha -electric.who refill the batteries? OK is a stupid question, I have the problem anyway :-) -small gas engine... I don't like the idea... -odd power sources wind power generator, propeller generator... -?? Any suggestion? Tank you Paolo |
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Watermakers and Chlorine -Correction for Steve D
The laws of physics are working against you. The formula for required
pump horsepower is GPM*PSI/1460. a single 21" membrane needs a minimum of 1 GPM at 800 PSI which means you need about 1/2 HP. That is close to 40 amps at 12V. You would need a 100 amp alternator to charge the battery bank and make water at the same time. I would look at the Waterlog tow behind watermaker if I were you. About 980 Euros. Not as convenient as a traditional watermaker but you can't build one for that price, it can put out about 20 to 28 gallons in a full day of towing and it uses no electrical power. http://www.yach****ermaker.com/ Regardless of Jax's claim that they are fictitious, I have seen a couple and talked to their owners. One, an Englishman doing an Atlantic circumnavigation towed his from the Azores to St. Martin and had enough water extra to wash down his deck every few days. Paolo Zini wrote: I have a couple of pages about the one I built on my site under the "Systems" section. http://www.rutuonline.com/html/watermaker.html When I made my search, you can believe it or not, but the first place where I searched is your page.... I definitively need new lenses... :-( I have initially discarded the watermaker idea, because the cost, but a do-it-youself version is appealing for a "bricoleur"... :-) I am building a small cat (cat 254 from Fisher's plans) and i need a smaller installation. My main concern is the power source. The cat will have only one small auxiliary outboard... The possible alternatives ha -electric.who refill the batteries? OK is a stupid question, I have the problem anyway :-) -small gas engine... I don't like the idea... -odd power sources wind power generator, propeller generator... -?? Any suggestion? Tank you Paolo -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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Watermakers and Chlorine -Correction for Steve D
The laws of physics are working against you. The formula for required pump horsepower is GPM*PSI/1460. a single 21" membrane needs a minimum of 1 GPM at 800 PSI which means you need about 1/2 HP. That is close to 40 amps at 12V. You would need a 100 amp alternator to charge the battery bank and make water at the same time. My future boat is small... I must mantain a lower profile for power and water use... But you have also one Jacuzzi in your boat? :-) What about a windmill power generator or towed generator to refill batteries? The windmill is easy to make and can be in the 1 meter diameter range. I don't have data for the towed generator, but must be a fairly easy job... I would look at the Waterlog tow behind watermaker if I were you. About 980 Euros. Not as convenient as a traditional watermaker but you can't build one for that price, it can put out about 20 to 28 gallons in a full day of towing and it uses no electrical power. http://www.yach****ermaker.com/ I have seen it, but my lathe collect dust... I tink that you understand me :-) Paolo |
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Watermakers and Chlorine -Correction for Steve D
Regardless of Jax's claim that they are fictitious,
They were fictious when I made the claim. I said they would twist off, and that none had been delivered to the market. The manufacturer later added adjustable fins to the unit to keep the twist at bay. The fins need to be adjusted for the speed at which the unit is traveling in the water to keep the twist at bay. Reports are now that the units need a fair amount of boat speed to work, and that boat speed a couple knots higher pulls the units from the water. |