MMC wrote:
THE BILL OF RIGHTS
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the government for a redress of grievances.

If it's true, it can't be slander. Apparently Carli doesn't know what
slander is. If sharing information about a product that is inferior or
harmful was illegal, we'd all get sued for trying to keep our kids from
smoking or buying Korean cars.


Normally I'd agree. But times have changed, and we U.S.
citizens don't have the rights we used to have.

The current administration believes that the 14th amendment
gives businesses the right to lie in advertising, and also
gives them the right to offer false statements in contracts.
I'd be willing to bet that their view of negative public
statements about a companies products, no matter the truth,
would be that it is slander.

It will be interesting to see how much of these beliefs the
Supreme Court will formally codify.

DSK

Normally I'd agree. But times have changed, and we U.S.
citizens don't have the rights we used to have.

The current administration believes that the 14th amendment
gives businesses the right to lie in advertising, and also
gives them the right to offer false statements in contracts.
I'd be willing to bet that their view of negative public
statements about a companies products, no matter the truth,
would be that it is slander.

It will be interesting to see how much of these beliefs the
Supreme Court will formally codify.

DSK


Hi DSK
This is a bit off my original concern and problem with NFM but
certainly you have brought up an important topic. I was shocked when I
found out a few years ago that police officers can lie to people during
interviews and interrogations in order to gain information. I was
talking to my son-in-law who is a police officer. I said no way. Then
he brought out is state academy training manual, pointed to the page,
and cited a US Supreme Court case that allows officers to lie in order
to gain information. Sort of gets a guy thinking. How do you know when
a police officer is lying or telling the truth?

But back to NFM problem. They are okay ports if I rebuild them myself.
But if your paying $600 bucks for two ports I think they should arrive
ready to install........or be fixed. The problem is that NFM simply
says, There is nothing wrong with the ports. The really interesting
part to my experience is the most THRETINING thing I said was that I
would post my comments here. That certainly struck a sore spot with
NFM.
Bob

I think you should still try to get a refund via your credit card. I'm
quite certain, living in Denmark, that it would be possible to do here.
No matter if you succeed or not, getting that refund, you should make a
website to get the word out. It cannot be slander when you tell your
story. You have their emails to back it up. The truth cannot be
slander.



Bob wrote:
Normally I'd agree. But times have changed, and we U.S.
citizens don't have the rights we used to have.

The current administration believes that the 14th amendment
gives businesses the right to lie in advertising, and also
gives them the right to offer false statements in contracts.
I'd be willing to bet that their view of negative public
statements about a companies products, no matter the truth,
would be that it is slander.

It will be interesting to see how much of these beliefs the
Supreme Court will formally codify.

DSK


Hi DSK
This is a bit off my original concern and problem with NFM but
certainly you have brought up an important topic. I was shocked when I
found out a few years ago that police officers can lie to people during
interviews and interrogations in order to gain information. I was
talking to my son-in-law who is a police officer. I said no way. Then
he brought out is state academy training manual, pointed to the page,
and cited a US Supreme Court case that allows officers to lie in order
to gain information. Sort of gets a guy thinking. How do you know when
a police officer is lying or telling the truth?

But back to NFM problem. They are okay ports if I rebuild them myself.
But if your paying $600 bucks for two ports I think they should arrive
ready to install........or be fixed. The problem is that NFM simply
says, There is nothing wrong with the ports. The really interesting
part to my experience is the most THRETINING thing I said was that I
would post my comments here. That certainly struck a sore spot with
NFM.
Bob

Dane wrote:
I think you should still try to get a refund via your credit card. I'm
quite certain, living in Denmark, that it would be possible to do here.
No matter if you succeed or not, getting that refund, you should make a
website to get the word out. It cannot be slander when you tell your
story. You have their emails to back it up. The truth cannot be
slander.


Hi:

I gave the credit card refund optionn lots of thought but in the end I
had to make a bottom line decision. The cut-out deminsion left by my
old ports ar nearly identical to the cut-out deminsions needed for the
Newfound Metals ports. the only other ports that come close to size and
strength are Spartan ports made in Maine, USA. Unfortunalty the Spartan
ports are one inch shorter. This means that I would need to get the
grinder out, tapper the fiberglass area, and build up with epoxy and
glass. The short story is........... I would rather fix the two factory
problems with the NFM ports siting on my living room floor than muck
about with the epoxy build up. Its, simply faster to keep the NFM
ports.
There was a time in my life I would have driven all night an thrown the
ports through the NFM's window and included a big FU spraypainted on
their building. I guess with age comes judgment.

What I am absolutly frustrated about is the fact NFM says my complaint
about the two production problems are not true. About the emails......
I am now realizing that most people must think emails messages simply
disapear after the send button is clicked. guess they do not realize
that email provide an excellent record.
Bob.

Bob wrote:
Dane wrote:
I think you should still try to get a refund via your credit card. I'm
quite certain, living in Denmark, that it would be possible to do here.
No matter if you succeed or not, getting that refund, you should make a
website to get the word out. It cannot be slander when you tell your
story. You have their emails to back it up. The truth cannot be
slander.


Hi:

I gave the credit card refund optionn lots of thought but in the end I
had to make a bottom line decision. The cut-out deminsion left by my
old ports ar nearly identical to the cut-out deminsions needed for the
Newfound Metals ports. the only other ports that come close to size and
strength are Spartan ports made in Maine, USA. Unfortunalty the Spartan
ports are one inch shorter. This means that I would need to get the
grinder out, tapper the fiberglass area, and build up with epoxy and
glass. The short story is........... I would rather fix the two factory
problems with the NFM ports siting on my living room floor than muck
about with the epoxy build up. Its, simply faster to keep the NFM
ports.
There was a time in my life I would have driven all night an thrown the
ports through the NFM's window and included a big FU spraypainted on
their building. I guess with age comes judgment.

What I am absolutly frustrated about is the fact NFM says my complaint
about the two production problems are not true. About the emails......
I am now realizing that most people must think emails messages simply
disapear after the send button is clicked. guess they do not realize
that email provide an excellent record.
Bob.

Very true, Bob

And you should definately use that record to get the best out of it.
Post this story as many places you can, with the emails as back up of
your story, perhaps even make a site of its own. And make references to
that site whereever you go. Maybe you didn't get a 100% product, but it
will help others, and maybe, just, maybe, NFM will pull their shyte
together.

Dane wrote:
Very true, Bob

And you should definately use that record to get the best out of it.
Post this story as many places you can, with the emails as back up of
your story, perhaps even make a site of its own. And make references to
that site whereever you go. Maybe you didn't get a 100% product, but it
will help others, and maybe, just, maybe, NFM will pull their shyte
together.

Hi Dane:
Thanks you for the advice and support. I made this same post at
alt.sailing.asa and recieved nothing but a bunch of one liner put
downs. I just wanted to give folks a heads up in hopes their port
projects would be more productive. As far as the web site..... thats a
bit out of my skill level.
HOpe your day goes well.
Bob

Bob wrote:
Dane wrote:

Very true, Bob

And you should definately use that record to get the best out of it.
Post this story as many places you can, with the emails as back up of
your story, perhaps even make a site of its own. And make references to
that site whereever you go. Maybe you didn't get a 100% product, but it
will help others, and maybe, just, maybe, NFM will pull their shyte
together.


Hi Dane:
Thanks you for the advice and support. I made this same post at
alt.sailing.asa and recieved nothing but a bunch of one liner put
downs. I just wanted to give folks a heads up in hopes their port
projects would be more productive. As far as the web site..... thats a
bit out of my skill level.
HOpe your day goes well.
Bob

Web sites aren't that hard to do. If I've dug up the right info, I
belive *your* ISP offers 10 megabytes of webspace included with your
account anyway. Domain name registration (to redirect to your personal
webspace) ia apparently $15 per domain name per year. I wont suggest
what name to take incase NFM are keeping an eye on this. Creating the
site is not as tough as you might think. I belive you use the mozilla
package, if so, Mozilla Composer (on the Window menu) is easy to use and
can handle anything you would need for this site.

I belive your portlights should be to ISO standard 12216 (Windows,
portlights, hatches, deadlights and doors). Trouble is, ANSI want
chunks of cash for this atandards document but if you read the following:

http://www.ibinews.com/ibinews/ebb/tech_9.html
Running a tight ship

Andrew Blyth and Tom Nighy review RCD requirements for cockpits,
windows, hatches and doors.

then download:

http://www.transport-canada.com/marinesafety/rsqa/csa2001regrefsite/info/FVSCSE.pdf

and search that document for "hose test" you will find a description of
what your hatch should be able to withstand.

The water jet shall be a dense thin water jet delivering a flow of at
least 10 l/min, aiming everywhere in an area located within 0,05 m
each side of the periphery of the appliance
(see Figures D.1 and D.2).
[figures here showing method of testing with the hose nozzle 2 metres
from the portlight or hatch]
NOTE This jet is normally attained when connecting a garden hose with
an adjustable nozzle to a tap, the static pressure of which, when the
tap is closed, is 200 kPa.
Spraying shall continue for at least 3 min. After this duration, the
ingress of water shall not exceed 0,05 litres.

'Fill it with water and see if it drips' - I dont think so ;-)



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'Stingo' Albacore #1554 - 15' Early 60's, Uffa Fox designed,
All varnished hot moulded wooden racing dinghy.

Bob wrote:
Hi Dane:
Thanks you for the advice and support. I made this same post at
alt.sailing.asa and recieved nothing but a bunch of one liner put
downs. I just wanted to give folks a heads up in hopes their port
projects would be more productive. As far as the web site..... thats a
bit out of my skill level.
HOpe your day goes well.
Bob

Don't worry, some folks are like that

About the website. I know what Ian suggest seems difficult to the
newbie (I only made a website myself around a year ago, I thought it
was very complex to think of at the beggining, and I'm a journo, lol).
Anyways, it doesn't need to be fancy at all, basically just text.

If you're on a mac, you could try out rapidweaver or some other sort of
"website-maker", and simply type in the text. Then upload it the way
your ISP wants it to be uploaded.

About using their name and so forth - well, of course you should.
That's the point.

Also, about the website, in RapidWeaver (and I'd like to think that you
could do that in any such programme), you can put in keywords for the
search robots (think google) to find. "service" "New Found Metals"
"portholes" (and any other product they have - even their product
numbers), that way it's more likely to hit home with people searching
for their stuff).

You have a splendid day and weekend too :-)

Andre