If so, where can they be accessed, please ?

Thank you.
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s/v Mutiny
lying Oriental, NC
WDB5619

No, Herreshoff plans are not public domain. Write to the Herreshoff Museum in
Bristol, RI for details on what is available for sale.

Sorry, I don't have the addie right at hand, but a quick google should find it
- they are online.

Steve

Not public, but available at the Hart Nautical Museum at MIT

ron

just out of curiosity of what use are plans that old?
the old growth wood with the close rings would no longer be available?
Hereshoff made his own hardware, in fact his whole operation was
completely verticaly integrated?
how much alteration would be needed to build a lookalike today?

Courtney Thomas ) writes:
If so, where can they be accessed, please ?

Thank you.
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William R. Watt wrote:
: just out of curiosity of what use are plans that old?

Pretty damned useful. Especially if you have one of their boats - as
I do - and are trying to rebuild it back to original condition.

Furthermore, you can get perfectly fine wood and build off their
plans and have a great boat. It doesn't require the finest wood
imaginable.

As for the hardware, you can get replica herreshoff hardware, if you
want.

ZERO alteration would be required to make one of their boats to plan.

However, when you get the plans officially, you arerequired to promise
that you will NOT make a fiberglass or concrete or aluminum version of
their boats. Of course you can break the promise - but why would you?
The design assumes wood which impacts sailing quality.


Restoration of my 84 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm


: the old growth wood with the close rings would no longer be available?
: Hereshoff made his own hardware, in fact his whole operation was
: completely verticaly integrated?
: how much alteration would be needed to build a lookalike today?

: Courtney Thomas ) writes:
: If so, where can they be accessed, please ?
:
: Thank you.
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: Courtney Thomas
: s/v Mutiny
: lying Oriental, NC
: WDB5619
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--- Gregg
"Improvise, adapt, overcome."

Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
Phone: (617) 496-1558

"William R. Watt" wrote in message
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just out of curiosity of what use are plans that old?
the old growth wood with the close rings would no longer be available?
Hereshoff made his own hardware, in fact his whole operation was
completely verticaly integrated?
how much alteration would be needed to build a lookalike today?

You know the old saying "Where there's a will, there's a way."?

Well, where there's a will, there's also marketability. That's why there
are still-existent bronze age craft instructors, sailcloth makers,
loomspinners, renaissance faires....

A business for every interest.

Eide wrote:
:
: Moulds on every frame,
: tapered frames,

Yeah...tapered frames. All very well - removes weight at the sheer
etc. Helps performance.

But I'm here to tell you it's an infernal nuisance when you are
rebuilding (possibly easier when building from scratch).

first just getting the frames out of the flitches is much more time
consuming. They start 1" x 1" at the sheer and increase 1/16",
moulded and sided, for every foot of length.

So each rib is a different length therefore different dimensions
moulded and sided. So you cannot steam up a bunch of them and if one
breaks toss it over the side and grabe the next one out of the box.
Each is cut to size and fits only in that one location.

Still, I'm adhering to the tapers.


--- Gregg

My woodworking projects:


Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/backstaffhome.html

Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm

Steambending FAQ with photos:

http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm


"Improvise, adapt, overcome."

Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
Phone: (617) 496-1558

Are you serious?!! "of what use" ???!! The Herreshoffs made leaps and
bounds in sail and power boats. The lines of a Herreshoff are worth the
study, and it's also amazing to see the size of the scantlings used, very
small indeed. Old hardware is still around and there are a few moulds that
people are casting with. The biggest leap isn't in the material, it's in the
construction. Herreshoff's construction methods were secret at the time and
were not passed on before the old timers died. Moulds on every frame,
tapered frames, building (even the NY50) upside down. There is plenty to be
had by old plans like that.

Sorry for the rant, but they were doing something right back then.

Eide

"William R. Watt" wrote in message
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just out of curiosity of what use are plans that old?
the old growth wood with the close rings would no longer be available?
Hereshoff made his own hardware, in fact his whole operation was
completely verticaly integrated?
how much alteration would be needed to build a lookalike today?

Courtney Thomas ) writes:
If so, where can they be accessed, please ?

Thank you.
--
Courtney Thomas
s/v Mutiny
lying Oriental, NC
WDB5619



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The Haffenreffer-Herreshoff Collection at the Hart is a royal pain to
search through. The 13,000 drawings are indexed by some arcane system
used by the Herreshoff plant. It took me 4 hours to find all the
drawings for the 12.5. As we were in Boston on vacation the first mate
was not a happy camper when I came out of the museum.

Foo Bar wrote:
Not public, but available at the Hart Nautical Museum at MIT

ron



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I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
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There's more on accessing the various Herreshoff plans here

I know a few people who specialize in building such boats, authentically. The
materials are available, but not at lumber yards. There's more forest in New
England today than a hundred years ago and there are people with sawmills who cut
cedar, oak and locust. Jim Reineck, Roger Winiarski and others are continually
improving the availability of authentic hardware and there's no mystery to casting
bronze. What's harder to find are the skills, but outfits like IYRS, The Landing
School and Mystic Seaport are improving that situation, too.

As I understand it, the Herreshoff Manufacturing Co. plans at MIT are distributed
with the proviso that a boat built from them will be built authentically, without
substantial change either in the design or materials. See the WB article and
following letters last year about the Buzzard's Bay 25's . Besides, who would
have the temerity to tinker with such perfection? LFH once wrote that if a
builder made the slightest change to one of his designs "birds will no longer
carol over her". Can't have that!

At any time, the boats we build are constrained by the materials available. New
materials have become available, and the range of possible designs has therefore
expanded. This is an opportunity to achieve boats that function better. For
example, the designs of Joel White and his successor Bob Stephens capture the
aesthetic of the Herreshoff era while fully exploiting today's materials.

Jim

"William R. Watt" wrote:

just out of curiosity of what use are plans that old?
the old growth wood with the close rings would no longer be available?
Hereshoff made his own hardware, in fact his whole operation was
completely verticaly integrated?
how much alteration would be needed to build a lookalike today?

Courtney Thomas ) writes:
If so, where can they be accessed, please ?

Thank you.
--
Courtney Thomas
s/v Mutiny
lying Oriental, NC
WDB5619


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