William R. Watt wrote:
Brian Nystrom ) writes:

I have a set of 20 hull sections that I would like to input into a
design program, then generate panels for S&G construction. Any
suggestions for software that will allow me to do that?


www.carlsondesign.com has a free hull program for plywood hulls that will
do that. people who follow this newsgroup have used it. From my limited
experience with the program you could put in the offsets for the whole hull
or for one section at a time.

I've played with Carlson Hulls somewhat and it appears that you can only
input 4 or 5 sections, which isn't nearly enough for my needs. If it can
in fact accept the 20 sections that I need to input, perhaps someone can
clue me in on how it's done.

Brian Nystrom wrote in
news:7z4kf.297$Kg5.103@trndny06:

William R. Watt wrote:
Brian Nystrom ) writes:

I have a set of 20 hull sections that I would like to input into a
design program, then generate panels for S&G construction. Any
suggestions for software that will allow me to do that?


www.carlsondesign.com has a free hull program for plywood hulls that
will do that. people who follow this newsgroup have used it. From my
limited experience with the program you could put in the offsets for
the whole hull or for one section at a time.

I've played with Carlson Hulls somewhat and it appears that you can
only input 4 or 5 sections, which isn't nearly enough for my needs. If
it can in fact accept the 20 sections that I need to input, perhaps
someone can clue me in on how it's done.


Do a google on Blue Peter Marine, software from a chap downunder, has a
functional free version and a more capable Pro demo that can unfold and
develop - he calls it plates - but can't save the output in demo I think,
but maybe its worth a try and if it does what you want and maybe it's not
too expensive...

Hi

So we are back again to where it allway's end when questions like this
are made.

Every time the conclution are, that the free download are way to
restricted and acturly produce clumpsy designs. Then everyone fall back
to the brave oldfasion lofting and forget about that there are plenty
examples that this can be done and is in fact simple.
Na no fancy new building methods and 3D-H framework , we stay with 20
year old free download software right ?
You can all go to Cyber-Boat and see how exactly what Brian want, have
produced a number of nice designs ------- yes solved that problem none
of you seem to maneage, still at the same time you see this you can't
cope with the idea that there are a new way to produce the framework ;
as soon as I say that someone who can't even maneage Brians problem
burst out to make sure that no one "think he is something" , the same
old group bullying start with the same question from someone who can't
even solve Brians problem ----- guess why Cyber-Boat unfolding and
design tools are not free download.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cyber-Boat/

P.C.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cyber-Boat/

wrote:
Hi

So we are back again to where it allway's end when questions like this
are made.

Every time the conclution are, that the free download are way to
restricted and acturly produce clumpsy designs. Then everyone fall back
to the brave oldfasion lofting and forget about that there are plenty
examples that this can be done and is in fact simple.
Na no fancy new building methods and 3D-H framework , we stay with 20
year old free download software right ?
You can all go to Cyber-Boat and see how exactly what Brian want, have
produced a number of nice designs ------- yes solved that problem none
of you seem to maneage, still at the same time you see this you can't
cope with the idea that there are a new way to produce the framework ;
as soon as I say that someone who can't even maneage Brians problem
burst out to make sure that no one "think he is something" , the same
old group bullying start with the same question from someone who can't
even solve Brians problem ----- guess why Cyber-Boat unfolding and
design tools are not free download.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cyber-Boat/

P.C.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Cyber-Boat/

Now I'm really confused. I joined the group and did some searching
around and I haven't found links to any Cyber-Boat software. Searching
the web for "Cyber-Boat" produces links to the Yahoo group and a few
other designs, but that's it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the
impression that what's on the group are designs that must be
viewed/modified using AutoCad. Can anyone clear this up for me?

mike wrote:
Brian Nystrom wrote in
news:7z4kf.297$Kg5.103@trndny06:


William R. Watt wrote:

Brian Nystrom ) writes:


I have a set of 20 hull sections that I would like to input into a
design program, then generate panels for S&G construction. Any
suggestions for software that will allow me to do that?


www.carlsondesign.com has a free hull program for plywood hulls that
will do that. people who follow this newsgroup have used it. From my
limited experience with the program you could put in the offsets for
the whole hull or for one section at a time.

I've played with Carlson Hulls somewhat and it appears that you can
only input 4 or 5 sections, which isn't nearly enough for my needs. If
it can in fact accept the 20 sections that I need to input, perhaps
someone can clue me in on how it's done.



Do a google on Blue Peter Marine, software from a chap downunder, has a
functional free version and a more capable Pro demo that can unfold and
develop - he calls it plates - but can't save the output in demo I think,
but maybe its worth a try and if it does what you want and maybe it's not
too expensive...

I had the 8S version and I've downloaded the 9S and "plate enhanced"
demo version. It appears that it can do what I want, but it's going to
take some time to figure out how.

Hi

"Now I'm really confused. I joined the group and did some searching
around and I haven't found links to any Cyber-Boat software. Searching
the web for "Cyber-Boat" produces links to the Yahoo group and a few
other designs, but that's it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the
impression that what's on the group are designs that must be
viewed/modified using AutoCad. Can anyone clear this up for me? "

No you shuldn't expect Cyber-Boat to offer the free download software,
-- now this been an issue in this group before ,as when you check the
free-download designs and full-scale drawings in the Cyber-Boat groups,
then any amature builder with a small CAD proram ofcaurse would love to
have the simple applications that make this possible.

But due to the group bullying and promoting of specific flatbottom
designs ,vaste material boatsbuilding replacing real boats building and
desktop designers promoting grandfathers designs , Cyber-Boat stopped
at just that point where you all could have profited by it's software
--- software that can do exactly what you asked and _much_ more such as
3D morphing between two 3D designs that then can produce both unfolded
panels and framework ; but no, --- you just check back and see the
bullying and harasment that came as soon as Cyber-Boat treadened the
flatbottom vaste materials "designs" .

Hi

Just to make things clear, Cyber-Boat was taken to a Yahoo site and
_all_ designs was offered as free download ready to post to a print
shop to get full-scale drawings. It was then the plan to also offer the
various software used to produce the designs but a new method and the
sad response in this group made that not happen --- why offer splendid
software to such rigid fools , fools with no respect for an old craft
,fools that obviously was a bunch of sadass usenet fanatics who had
just one pleasure in life ; to harras others and promote their own
"designers" , --- vaste material designers.

--It was this ****ing contest mentality that made me stop
reading rec.boats.building. Seems to me the bottom line is this
cyber-boat crap is inadequate to the task of designing anything other
than a limited variety of hull types. For those who are heading down
other roads there *must* be some other software packages available.
Assuming you don't want free/limited but don't want to pay a couple of
grand either, what *is* available?
--As for me I've decided to do it the "old fashioned" way; i.e.
make a model, do some tank tests and make sure it "feels" right B4
scaling up.

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Nihil curo de ista tua
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : stulta superstitione...
http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

Hi

"--It was this ****ing contest mentality that made me stop
reading rec.boats.building. Seems to me the bottom line is this
cyber-boat crap is inadequate to the task of designing anything other
than a limited variety of hull types"

No you are wrong --- it was those crap flatbottom fanatics that would
not allow things like Cyber-Boat ; if they hadn't won all the
Cyber-Boat software would have been avaible and the most beautifull
amature boats could have been build but no.

Beside The cyber-Boat concept let you design just any shape you want,
the ones quite a lot btw. at download can even just be scaled up or
down if you know just a tiny bit about CAD, --- No What Cyber-Boat
could have brought you, was exactly what you expect computers to bring,
and the new framework system acturly could have build any Elegant
Bolger Elefant way easier --- and belive it 4 times strionger.

No the Cyber-Boat thing was just another "we **** on him and then we
say he stink, ---then we steal the bread from his mouth !!!"

wrote:
Hi

"Now I'm really confused. I joined the group and did some searching
around and I haven't found links to any Cyber-Boat software. Searching
the web for "Cyber-Boat" produces links to the Yahoo group and a few
other designs, but that's it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the
impression that what's on the group are designs that must be
viewed/modified using AutoCad. Can anyone clear this up for me? "

No you shuldn't expect Cyber-Boat to offer the free download software,

Who said anything about "free"? What I asked was for a program that
would allow me to enter sections, fair the shape and create panels.

-- now this been an issue in this group before ,as when you check the
free-download designs and full-scale drawings in the Cyber-Boat groups,
then any amature builder with a small CAD proram ofcaurse would love to
have the simple applications that make this possible.

But due to the group bullying and promoting of specific flatbottom
designs ,vaste material boatsbuilding replacing real boats building and
desktop designers promoting grandfathers designs , Cyber-Boat stopped
at just that point where you all could have profited by it's software
--- software that can do exactly what you asked and _much_ more such as
3D morphing between two 3D designs that then can produce both unfolded
panels and framework ; but no, --- you just check back and see the
bullying and harasment that came as soon as Cyber-Boat treadened the
flatbottom vaste materials "designs" .

Frankly, I really don't care about all of that nonsense. I wasn't part
of it (I don't even know when it happened) and I'm not going to get into
it now. I also have no interest in your ranting, as it's not solving my
problem. If there is software available that will do what I need, please
tell me where and how to get it. If not, please don't waste my time
telling me about a product that isn't available.