Michiel wrote:

On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:28:09 GMT, Jim wrote:

(...)

It would cost you less, and be far less work, to buy a better boat.


Do you really think so? Do you have rough estimates or "guesstimates"
and a suggestion for a different boat? It seems that fixing it
wouldn't be so expensive and not even that much work, just messy and
nasty.

Michiel

....and tiring! I spent 2nd last summer with a dremel, cutting off
antiskid and deck in sections, replacing the basla porrige with
plywood, reassembling and then sculpturing the anti skid back to
reasonable. Next year, starboard side deck? ugh!

Leaks are gone, but the difference in price between a soggy deck
boat and the same solid deck boat is still suspect. Still, now I am
an expert, no;-? Oh, and I did a lot of messing about on the boat,
even if it was only yard sailing

Terry K

Somebody wrote:

It would cost you less, and be far less work, to buy a better boat.

Michiel wrote:

Do you really think so? Do you have rough estimates or "guesstimates"
and a suggestion for a different boat?

I'll try to put this into perspective for you.

I buy materials at prices you would dream about getting.

That is because I buy large quantities of epoxy, deck foam, knitted
glass and fairing compound.

My guess is that it will cost me at least $2,000 for materials and at
least a year's time.

You will pay more.

Add in money for tools and supplies.

I'd budget at least $200 for just abrasives and another $200 for sanding
equipment, if you don't already have them.

You'll spend another $500 for misc tools and supplies.

DAMHIKT

Does this give you enough incentive to recognize that attempting to
rehab a 20 ft, 20+ year old fiberglass boat is economically an unsound path.

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:
My guess is that it will cost me at least $2,000 for materials and at
least a year's time.


My guess is that either you work very inefficiently, or else
you're sniffing too much resin.

For $2K and a couple months labor, one could completely
remove the deck, use it as tooling, mold a complete new one,
and install it.

You got this right: sanding materials & tools will both cost
a lot.

DSK

DSK wrote:

My guess is that either you work very inefficiently, or else you're
sniffing too much resin.

You haven't priced materials lately, have you?

Think OIL.

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:
You haven't priced materials lately, have you?

Think OIL.


Actually, I have- am buying materials for a carbon fiber
rowing dinghy. But I think you grossly (very grossly)
overestimated the cost & amount of materials needed for
replacing core on a 20' deck.

It's not going to be free, that's not what I'm saying.

DSK

I figure it'd be somewhat over $10/ft^2.
Core-cell $4-
maybe 4 laminations of:
12 oz. knitted Glass $10/yd = $.80/ft^2/ply
epoxy $70/gal = $.60/ft^2/ply

paint $1/ft^2
plus abrasives, peel ply, fillers, vacuum bag consumables


"DSK" wrote in message
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
You haven't priced materials lately, have you?

Think OIL.


Actually, I have- am buying materials for a carbon fiber
rowing dinghy. But I think you grossly (very grossly)
overestimated the cost & amount of materials needed for
replacing core on a 20' deck.

It's not going to be free, that's not what I'm saying.

DSK

Lew Hodgett wrote:


Somebody wrote:

It would cost you less, and be far less work, to buy a better boat.


Michiel wrote:

Do you really think so? Do you have rough estimates or "guesstimates"
and a suggestion for a different boat?


I'll try to put this into perspective for you.

I buy materials at prices you would dream about getting.

That is because I buy large quantities of epoxy, deck foam, knitted
glass and fairing compound.

My guess is that it will cost me at least $2,000 for materials and at
least a year's time.

You will pay more.

Add in money for tools and supplies.

I'd budget at least $200 for just abrasives and another $200 for sanding
equipment, if you don't already have them.

You'll spend another $500 for misc tools and supplies.

DAMHIKT

Does this give you enough incentive to recognize that attempting to
rehab a 20 ft, 20+ year old fiberglass boat is economically an unsound
path.

Lew

It depends entirely on how you value the labour required. My labour
is free for me, but for this job, I wouldn't work for less than 15
bucks / hour.

I would pay 10 bucks an hour to mess about on a boat, if it was mine
and the value of the labour remains in the boat.

The rest is arithmatic.

Terry K