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It's another question on batteries & wiring circuits
Not so. Re-read my post. The only time the extra battery is connected
is when the engine is running; all batteries are at 13+ volts at the terminals, regardless of their charge state, b/c the alternator is running. The small battery will never be charging the house bank while the alternator is running. If the house bank is depleted, the worst that happens is the alternator is trying to keep up with the house bank and runs at 13 volts or so until the house bank charges up some, at which point the alternator's output will rise in voltage. This is still above 12.8 volts, the full-charge resting voltage of a battery. Even if the small battery lost no charge during the month and is at 12.8 volts, there's no way the small battery can drain into the house bank. Ditto the sparking issue. Connecting a battery at 12.5 volts and one at 14 volts won't likely cause any sparking. Shouldn't be an issue anyway, b/c your box is properly vented, right? Finally, the loss issue. True. But: High quality, well maintained jumpers make a difference. Clean the connections first. Make sure the "small" battery isn't sized to just barely start your engine, but has some hefty reserve to it. Did this with an old 8D starting battery for a 120 h.p. diesel. Tried it out, worked fine. How big is your engine? Rich Mechaber MIDEMETZ wrote: The only possible problem with your idea is if you run down the main battery it will over load the small extra battery. There is lot of loss with jumper cables plus if you can't disconcert the dead batteries they pull a lot out of the good battery. Not to mention the probably sparking during hook up. Problem never happen in good conditions. At least for me anyway. Mike *********** I would echo what others have contributed about not routinely drawing from the house battery for starting if you set up as you describe. What surprises me is that almost no one selects a setup I prefer: a large-ish bank of house/starting batteries, without switches, relays, or problems. "What if you drain the batteries down?" For this purpose, and for this purpose _only_, I bought a cheap starting battery. Unconnected to anything. Once a month, I would affix heavy gauge jumper cables from it to the main bank during a 6-hour motor to re-charge the self-dischaged capacity. Left the cover off the battery compartment while under way so there was no way to forget to remove the cables later. ("Gee, why are the batteries visible from the saloon?") Cables served for the emergency start, if needed, connected directly to the starter solenoid. HTH, Rich Mechaber |
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It's another question on batteries & wiring circuits
"Larry" wrote
There is not a reliable way to charge the batteries together without using a battery isolator. Batteries ALWAYS charge at different rates and an isolator will allow for this. Bunk. Multibank battery systems were on boats for decades prior to the marketing of "combiners", "isolators" and other solutions to the "forgot to switch from Both to House after engine shutdown problem." Paralleled banks of differing charge states will charge just fine when hooked up to an alternator. The banks will automatically charge at different rates until all banks are fully charged, without additional devices. Consider the 2 bank worst case scenario, a fully charged bank at 12.7v resting voltage and a dead flat bank @ 10.5v. When the alternator kicks in the system voltage jumps to 12.5v or so depending on bank capacity and alternator output. The charged bank is essentially at system voltage already and accepts little to no current, while the discharged bank sees a 2v differential and accepts all the current the alternator can deliver. The charged bank will not accept charge until the voltage of the discharged bank rises to the resting voltage of the charged bank, then, as the system voltage further rises, both batteries charge until the system voltage is around 14.4v. The charged bank accepts about 2% of its capacity because it's already charged (its highest charge rate during this engine run, so it's not even warm), and the discharged bank slowly accepts less charge until its charge rate is 2% of capacity. Both batteries are (nearly) fully charged. Some caveats here. The banks must be electrically similar, mixing GelGell batteries with regular flooded lead acid batteries is a no-no, for example. If the banks differ in capacity, the alternator must be no larger than 30% (GelCell, etc. 50% or even higher) of the smaller bank's capacity, to prevent damage from too high of a charge rate as the smaller bank sucks up the current. And, the cabling system must be properly sized, so all banks see the same voltage; a windlass battery in the bow with too small wiring will show system voltage when no charging devices are on line, but a half volt or more drop when the alternator's pumping 70 amps through it to the discharged battery. |
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It's another question on batteries & wiring circuits
Donald Phillips wrote
The way batteries are charged in the factory where they are made is in series string. This way all batteries receive the same amount of current and thus the same amount of amp hours. Wouldn't another advantage be the high voltages involved, so much smaller wires serve for the hookups and charging equipment? |
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