I'd say (without sounding like an "Eyeore") that I'm a pretty
insignificant participant and a relative new comer to boot in this
group. I see no reason why anyone would have me in their address book.
I think it is more likely that there are "email address harvester"
programs which scan the groups.

And, your comments about not scanning properly... it's like saying
burglary victims are to blame for not having guns to shoot those
breaking in. Both statements are utterly rediculous and stupid. The
people doing the hacking are the ones to blame. I've never had virus
software running and I've never had a problem. The sad thing is that by
saying that, there is some nutcase out there who sees it as a challenge.

Oh, btw, what are you building now? This is a boat building group...
no? I'm still working on my 8' kayak for my daughter.
Ed

Larry wrote:
So sad... to feel like you (figurative, not you in particular) have
such an inconsequential and empty life to feel the need to do the
spam/hacking thing.

It sounds like you have not considered the most common method of
distribution- The virus usually emails itself to all in the infected address
book.

Where you should place blame is on the individual for not using a current
antivirus to protect their PC. Many folks fail to keep their virus
definitions updated thereby giving viruses a chance to spread.


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"Ed Edelenbos" wrote in message
...

Whoever is doing it is going through several (if not all) newsgroups...
luckily my server has a virus filter and it hasn't been a problem.
I've been getting multiple spams and virii (sp?).

So sad... to feel like you (figurative, not you in particular) have
such an inconsequential and empty life to feel the need to do the
spam/hacking thing.

Ed

Dave Fleming wrote:

Ayup,just got yet another virus, Norton caught it, address list is
full of familiar names of posters to this group.
Be Aware People!


http://pages.sbcglobal.net/djf3rd
Tales of a Boat Builder Apprentice

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:35:17 GMT, "Gary Wright"
wrote:

So, is it possible to get a virus just by reading a NewsGroup post?

Only if you don't wash your hands afterwards.

- Rick Tyler

(OK, real answer. No.)

Er...let me guess:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2)
Gecko/20030208
Netscape/7.02

That's what it says on your header, anyway - dedicated newsreaders
make headers optionally visible - so you can bet the harvesters
can read at least this much...

Brian W

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:43:51 -0400, Ed Edelenbos
wrote:

Yeah... I don't even want to mention the news reader I use lest someone
figures out how to hack into it. For a while, the "official update"
(yeah right), progs would show up as attachments but because I don't use
outlook, the sit there waiting to be run (or deleted in my case.)

Ed

Jacques Mertens wrote:
The problem is with MS Outlook. Use Pegasus instead as we do.

"Ed Edelenbos" wrote in message
...

No... and almost as unlikely (I think) if you have a "spamblocker" in
your return email address. I think what happens is someone has a
program that reads a list of messages and extracts the email addresses
it finds. Then, the sender (probably automatically) sends the
spam/virus to all the addresses.

Ed

Gary Wright wrote:

So, is it possible to get a virus just by reading a NewsGroup post?
-GW

In article , Dave Fleming



wrote:



Ayup,just got yet another virus, Norton caught it, address list is
full of familiar names of posters to this group.
Be Aware People!


http://pages.sbcglobal.net/djf3rd
Tales of a Boat Builder Apprentice

Ed muttered:
Oh, btw, what are you building now? This is a boat building group...
no? I'm still working on my 8' kayak for my daughter.
Like I did something wrong by using my business signature line?

I too have an interest in boat building. And I happen to enjoy following and
occasionally contributing to several NG's on a wide range of topics.

I've never had virus
software running and I've never had a problem.
Then you guess it will never happen to you. This is EXACTLY how viruses
spread.

I'm sorry if I caught you on a bad day there Ed. If you go back and read my
original reply, you'll see I was only offering my help and I certainly did
nothing to prompt such a response from you.


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"Ed Edelenbos" wrote in message
...
I'd say (without sounding like an "Eyeore") that I'm a pretty
insignificant participant and a relative new comer to boot in this
group. I see no reason why anyone would have me in their address book.
I think it is more likely that there are "email address harvester"
programs which scan the groups.

And, your comments about not scanning properly... it's like saying
burglary victims are to blame for not having guns to shoot those
breaking in. Both statements are utterly rediculous and stupid. The
people doing the hacking are the ones to blame. I've never had virus
software running and I've never had a problem. The sad thing is that by
saying that, there is some nutcase out there who sees it as a challenge.

Oh, btw, what are you building now? This is a boat building group...
no? I'm still working on my 8' kayak for my daughter.
Ed

Larry wrote:
So sad... to feel like you (figurative, not you in particular) have
such an inconsequential and empty life to feel the need to do the
spam/hacking thing.

It sounds like you have not considered the most common method of
distribution- The virus usually emails itself to all in the infected
address
book.

Where you should place blame is on the individual for not using a
current
antivirus to protect their PC. Many folks fail to keep their virus
definitions updated thereby giving viruses a chance to spread.


Larry Wagar
Skagit Media Productions
(360) 854-0709
larry at skagitmedia dot com
www.skagitmedia.com
Featuring: Virtual Tours,
Database driven ASP sites,
ASP Hosting $8.25 month,
MLS Real Estate Sites






"Ed Edelenbos" wrote in message
...

Whoever is doing it is going through several (if not all) newsgroups...
luckily my server has a virus filter and it hasn't been a problem.
I've been getting multiple spams and virii (sp?).

So sad... to feel like you (figurative, not you in particular) have
such an inconsequential and empty life to feel the need to do the
spam/hacking thing.

Ed

Dave Fleming wrote:

Ayup,just got yet another virus, Norton caught it, address list is
full of familiar names of posters to this group.
Be Aware People!


http://pages.sbcglobal.net/djf3rd
Tales of a Boat Builder Apprentice

Larry wrote:

Like I did something wrong by using my business signature line?

No, nothing to do with the sig... I figure that is normal. The "what
are you building" was an attempt to get things back on track.
Diversions and OT banter lets us know that we aren't one-minded geeks
unable to relate to the rest of the world. But... this thread is
getting a mind of it's own.


I'm sorry if I caught you on a bad day there Ed. If you go back and read my
original reply, you'll see I was only offering my help and I certainly did
nothing to prompt such a response from you.


You could have caught me on an exceptionaly good day and said, "Where
you should place blame is on the individual for not using a current
antivirus to protect their PC." and have gotten a similar response. I'd
still say it is a goofy thing to say. It is the fault of the person
doing the malicious behavior not those affected by said behavior.

Ed

Ed wrote:
It is the fault of the person
doing the malicious behavior not those affected by said behavior.
I agree entirely. But I also know I have little control over what these
"script kiddies" turn loose on the web.

I DO have control over what my PC sends out and it is the responsibility of
EVERY PC OWNER (including me) to prevent viruses from spreading. One very
effective plan is to arm with the latest A/V tools. None of us should say
"Oh it won't happen to me". This is how viruses are spread.

From the original post I thought I sensed a mis-understanding of viruses. My
time spent on this topic is only an attempt to help you all out by
preventing the further spread of viruses. We all should be part of the
solution. Anyone who has no up to date A/V is part of the problem. I did not
intend to "ruffle any feathers".


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"Ed Edelenbos" wrote in message
...
Larry wrote:

Like I did something wrong by using my business signature line?

No, nothing to do with the sig... I figure that is normal. The "what
are you building" was an attempt to get things back on track.
Diversions and OT banter lets us know that we aren't one-minded geeks
unable to relate to the rest of the world. But... this thread is
getting a mind of it's own.


I'm sorry if I caught you on a bad day there Ed. If you go back and read
my
original reply, you'll see I was only offering my help and I certainly
did
nothing to prompt such a response from you.


You could have caught me on an exceptionaly good day and said, "Where
you should place blame is on the individual for not using a current
antivirus to protect their PC." and have gotten a similar response. I'd
still say it is a goofy thing to say. It is the fault of the person
doing the malicious behavior not those affected by said behavior.

Ed

Anyone who has no up to date A/V is part of the problem.

Larry,

there is a hidden danger in such an attitude. No matter how up to date your
AV is, it doesn't have the virus that some spotty freak with relationship
issues has just written on daddy's computer. The best AV that I have is me.
The only emails I open are from people I know, and if there is an attachment
or if it is unexpected I send them an email to confirm that they sent the
email, it's content and that they checked it for viruses.

It's a little more hassle than just running an AV program on it, but so far,
it's 100% effective.

Al

you missed my point. I wasn't saying don't use one, just that they aren't a
100% effective solution - like contraceptives, you have to be careful and
vigilant.

Al