"ddinc" wrote in
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99 % of ALL composite boats built are polyester to polyester.

MonteP wrote in message
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(Parallax) wrote in
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My old Nautilus 8 Dinghy was damaged by Ivan and has a sizeable hole
in the side. I have some polyester resin on hand and I am wondering
if I can use it instead of expensive epoxy for a repair. Other than
some sanding, how do I prepare the surface to make sure the resin
adheres. The dinghy is at least 25 yrs old so is very weathered.

HAving repaired more than a few I would make note of the fact that
ALL sources say polyester to polyester is not recommended. Use Epoxy
for all repairs of polyester. PERIOD!

I believe you missed the point completely. The discussion is REPAIRING a
polyester NOT building one. Even most neophytes are aware of what and
how the majority of boats are made. sheesh!

Now back to the topic, I repeat, only idiots and shadetree bubbas (or an
emergency repair) ever use polyester to repaair polyester. I will leave
the details to the jillions of works on the subject.

--
MonteP
"Against stupidity, the very gods themselves contend in vain." -
Friedrich von Schiller
"Ignorant voracity -- a wingless vulture -- can soar only into the depths
of ignominy." Patrick O'Brian
-=The answer is simple...send pretzels to the Whitehouse!=-

"ddinc" wrote in message
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99 % of ALL composite boats built are polyester to polyester.

Sure, and the layup is wet in wet. Now try the same on old and dry
polyester...

Meindert

MonteP wrote:

(Parallax) wrote in
om:

My old Nautilus 8 Dinghy was damaged by Ivan and has a sizeable hole
in the side. I have some polyester resin on hand and I am wondering
if I can use it instead of expensive epoxy for a repair. Other than
some sanding, how do I prepare the surface to make sure the resin
adheres. The dinghy is at least 25 yrs old so is very weathered.

HAving repaired more than a few I would make note of the fact that ALL
sources say polyester to polyester is not recommended. Use Epoxy for all
repairs of polyester. PERIOD!

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Epoxy sticks well to most surfaces but polyester sticks well really only to
polyester, so to my knowledge it is OK to do the repair with the polyester
resin (it is not like you're crossing oceans in this boat!).

Folks like epoxy because it is better than polyester in many ways and a lot
of folks like to 'go up a notch or two' when repairing things.

Personally, I would use the polyester on the dinghy if I had the poly in the
house (and that's from an epoxy salesman!)


paul oman
www.epoxyproducts.com/marine.html

MonteP wrote in message news:

ALL sources say polyester to polyester is not recommended. Use Epoxy
for all repairs of polyester. PERIOD!
I repeat, only idiots and shadetree bubbas (or an
emergency repair) ever use polyester to repaair polyester. I will leave
the details to the jillions of works on the subject.

Monte,

could you provide references for one or two readily available sources
that support your view? I've never had a problem with polyester to
polyester boat repairs. The polyester products I purchased provided
instructions for this type of repair.

So, I'm genuinely curious and open to learning something new.

Thank you very much,
Dave Wright

(Dave Wright) wrote in
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MonteP wrote in message news:

ALL sources say polyester to polyester is not recommended. Use Epoxy
for all repairs of polyester. PERIOD!
I repeat, only idiots and shadetree bubbas (or an
emergency repair) ever use polyester to repaair polyester. I will
leave the details to the jillions of works on the subject.

Monte,

could you provide references for one or two readily available sources
that support your view? I've never had a problem with polyester to
polyester boat repairs. The polyester products I purchased provided
instructions for this type of repair.

So, I'm genuinely curious and open to learning something new.

Thank you very much,
Dave Wright


Not in the habit of indulging others intellectual laziness, but one well
respected expert book is Vaitses' Fiberglass repair book. Also
Internation MArine Publishers has a fair share, look at issues of This
Old Boat....and on and on and on.

Look it really doesn't matter if you wish to use something that might
sink you...same as getting bombed and jumping into your cigarette boat
and kissing jetties...it weeds out the genepool. What does bother me is
when the 'Hey y'all watch this' bunch starts handing out advice to
innocent trusting people.

If people want to eat pretzels, let 'em! But don't go giving them to
little Texas kids, they'll choke to death.

--
MonteP
"Against stupidity, the very gods themselves contend in vain." -
Friedrich von Schiller
"Ignorant voracity -- a wingless vulture -- can soar only into the depths
of ignominy." Patrick O'Brian
-=The answer is simple...send pretzels to the Whitehouse!=-

On 21 Oct 2004 12:49:27 -0700, (Dave Wright)
wrote:

MonteP wrote in message news:

ALL sources say polyester to polyester is not recommended. Use Epoxy
for all repairs of polyester. PERIOD!
I repeat, only idiots and shadetree bubbas (or an
emergency repair) ever use polyester to repaair polyester. I will leave
the details to the jillions of works on the subject.

Monte,

could you provide references for one or two readily available sources
that support your view? I've never had a problem with polyester to
polyester boat repairs. The polyester products I purchased provided
instructions for this type of repair.

So, I'm genuinely curious and open to learning something new.

Thank you very much,
Dave Wright

Here was my experience, for what it's worth:
I have used glass/polyester on old car bodies, in the long-ago.

So without much thought about it, I applied glass/polyester bandaids
to several spots on an older bass-boat, and covered them with
stretched cling-film taped to the hull so as to provide a fair smooth
surface.

The patches looked good, but after several seasons use, I noticed
that the patches were showing a milky interface, and appeared to be
leaking somewhat.

I will try glass epoxy with cling film, next time I need to.

Brian W

Here was my experience, for what it's worth:
I have used glass/polyester on old car bodies, in the long-ago.

So without much thought about it, I applied glass/polyester bandaids
to several spots on an older bass-boat, and covered them with
stretched cling-film taped to the hull so as to provide a fair smooth
surface.

The patches looked good, but after several seasons use, I noticed
that the patches were showing a milky interface, and appeared to be
leaking somewhat.

I will try glass epoxy with cling film, next time I need to.

Brian W


Brian, I like epoxy a lot and never had a problem with epoxy. But I've
also had success with polyester resins too. It often depends on the
type of polyester resin you're using; the isophthalic polyester resins
are better than the ortho-polyester resins. If you attempt the repair
with polyester resin again, maybe after coarse grinding (36 grit),
wash the old laminate down with styrene (folks often seem to use
acetone), it may soften the base somewhat better than acetone and help
to give you a decent secondary bond.

You might find that you can get vinylester resin (5% elong. @ 11,800
psi) cheaper than epoxy (5% elong. @ 12,500 psi). I would guess that
every day knowledgeable technicians evaluate polyester based resin
boats for repair or modification. The goal generally is to produce a
satisfactory repair for the remaining life of the boat at the lowest
cost. It's good to try various materials and methods, especially on
small jobs. If they don't work, try something else. Since all of
these materials are application, process, material, and operator
sensitive, it's sometimes hard to acertain why one individual might
have success and another failure.

Best wishes to everyone in their repair jobs.

Dave Wright