I will have to admit to an old programming axiom:
"Within every complex program there is a simple one struggling to get
out." :-)

--
Glenn Ashmore

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Glenn says:

I will have to admit to an old programming axiom:
"Within every complex program there is a simple one struggling to get
out." :-)

I have always held that it is easier to design a complex system than a simple
one that does the same thing. My father always kept a piece of card with
"Simplify" writ upon it stuck to his drawing board light. And he followed his
own advice. ;-)

Steve

On 21 Aug 2004 11:44:46 GMT, ospam (Stephen Baker)
wrote:

Glenn says:

I will have to admit to an old programming axiom:
"Within every complex program there is a simple one struggling to get
out." :-)

I have always held that it is easier to design a complex system than a simple
one that does the same thing. My father always kept a piece of card with
"Simplify" writ upon it stuck to his drawing board light. And he followed his
own advice. ;-)

Steve

Famous aero design concept:
Simplicate and add lightness

Brian W

Brian says:

Famous aero design concept:
Simplicate and add lightness

True, except that boatbuilders' budgets usually don't allow for that much
weight reduction. Lost weight always costs about 10 times what it would have
cost to leave it there. And that has been true since the dugout....

Steve

On 22 Aug 2004 03:08:27 GMT, ospam (Stephen Baker)
wrote:

Brian says:

Famous aero design concept:
Simplicate and add lightness

True, except that boatbuilders' budgets usually don't allow for that much
weight reduction. Lost weight always costs about 10 times what it would have
cost to leave it there. And that has been true since the dugout....

Steve

The opportunity cost of weight is different afloat, I'd think. There
is a decrement in freeboard, I suppose, with its increment in skin
friction: but either the operating speed is low, so the friction is
modest; or the speed is high, and the excess weight is hauled out of
the wash on the plane, wouldn't you think?

Brian W

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:30:05 GMT, Brian Whatcott
wrote:

Famous aero design concept:
Simplicate and add lightness

True, except that boatbuilders' budgets usually don't allow for that much
weight reduction. Lost weight always costs about 10 times what it would have
cost to leave it there. And that has been true since the dugout....


The opportunity cost of weight is different afloat, I'd think. There
is a decrement in freeboard, I suppose, with its increment in skin
friction: but either the operating speed is low, so the friction is
modest; or the speed is high, and the excess weight is hauled out of
the wash on the plane, wouldn't you think?

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For most cruising sailboats there is little payback in reducing weight
but the designers of racing sailboats go to fanatical trouble and
expense to reduce weight. The benefits are much more than reduced
friction. Weight aloft causes increased heeling and pitching. Weight
in the ends increases pitching. Weight anywhere decreases
acceleration. Weight in the hull is better served by increased weight
in the keel.

Wayne B says:

but the designers of racing sailboats go to fanatical trouble and
expense to reduce weight.

That's the one I was referring to. A 40' boat weighing in at around 20,000 lbs
is usually not too expensive whereas a 40-footer at 8,000 lbs begins to strain
the wallet. ;-)

Steve
Stephen C. Baker - Yacht Designer
http://members.aol.com/SailDesign/pr...cbweb/home.htm

I keep K.I.S.S. in my thoughts at all times, but but many times my results
lead me to belive I must be getting senile :-(

Fred

"Stephen Baker" wrote in message
...
Glenn says:

I will have to admit to an old programming axiom:
"Within every complex program there is a simple one struggling to get
out." :-)

I have always held that it is easier to design a complex system than a
simple
one that does the same thing. My father always kept a piece of card with
"Simplify" writ upon it stuck to his drawing board light. And he followed
his
own advice. ;-)

Steve

In article PmyVc.1663$A91.1254@okepread02,
Glenn Ashmore wrote:

I will have to admit to an old programming axiom:
"Within every complex program there is a simple one struggling to get
out." :-)

Ain't it the truth. One program I was tasked to maintain was 9000 lines
long. By the time I finished, it was 3700 lines, did three times the
work, didn't keep crashing, giving strange answers, and we no longer had
to keep a single programmer maintaining it full time.

Consultants!

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Careful there mate! I were one, even before I lernt to spel it! :-)

"Jere Lull" wrote in message
...
In article PmyVc.1663$A91.1254@okepread02,
Glenn Ashmore wrote:

I will have to admit to an old programming axiom:
"Within every complex program there is a simple one struggling to get
out." :-)

Ain't it the truth. One program I was tasked to maintain was 9000 lines
long. By the time I finished, it was 3700 lines, did three times the
work, didn't keep crashing, giving strange answers, and we no longer had
to keep a single programmer maintaining it full time.

Consultants!

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/