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Glenn,
I'm starting to wonder if a good ice chest like the Coleman Extreme by itself might be sufficient. It can be replenished with ice made in your freezer. Doug s/v Callista "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:vW5Uc.29891$Jo1.23863@lakeread01... #2 is the idea I am leaning towards. I have room to mount an air cooled BD50 directly below the box with plenty of ventilation. Couple of things still have me stalled. I would like to use .192" ID stainless tube which should stand up better to bumps with cans and corrosion but the thermal conductivity is a lot lower than copper. I could compensate by going to .335" ID but that might slow down the refrigerant to much to push the oil through. Think I will stick with .192" and adjust the expansion valve and compressor speed. The other thing is probably that I am not reading the charts right but I can't figure out which orifice to use in the Danfoss expansion valve. They all look to large for the BD50. BTW, have you revised the DIY book? I have about worn my copy and the Calder book out. :-) Richard Kollmann wrote: Glen, there are three proven way to build the system you are looking for: 1. Install a full length stainless steel holding plate in an insulated box, it can be used as a dry box or a wet box. See picture on front page of my web site, this box's holding plate is connected to a Danfoss BD2.5 compressor. The purpose of the plate in this cooler is to act as a flywheel affect of energy when warm product is put in the box. 2. The same insulated box can be cooled by a plain copper tube coil attached to interior wall. When I did fish hold box designs I used stainless tubing with tubing above and below the water. 3. Either one of the above concepts can be used with an existing large refrigeration system by splitting the refrigerant flow. I have system #1 in one of my boats and system #3 in the other. Glen here is a concept using a Danfoss BD50 air cooled condensing unit, and 50 ft. of ¼ inch tubing as an evaporator coil, A receiver and expansion valve instead of a capillary tube. This combination in a drink cooler with a 30 degree evaporator temperature might deliver 790 btu. Per hour. ( Danfoss ASHRAE Capacity chart with compressor running at 3500 rpm ). I would also install a manual speed selector switch to adjust compressor speed for current box demand. From the author of books on boat refrigeration http://www.kollmann-marine.com -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:12:18 -0400, Glenn Ashmore
wrote: #2 is the idea I am leaning towards. I have room to mount an air cooled BD50 directly below the box with plenty of ventilation. Couple of things still have me stalled. I would like to use .192" ID stainless tube which should stand up better to bumps with cans and corrosion but the thermal conductivity is a lot lower than copper. I could compensate by going to .335" ID but that might slow down the refrigerant to much to push the oil through. Think I will stick with .192" and adjust the expansion valve and compressor speed. Glenn, Another alternative could be a large stainless tube or box filled with PEG/potable antifreeze, and containing the spiral of copper tube inside. Depends the thermal conductivity of the PEG though. If a stainless box is used this could have an aluminium finned surface to improve thermal conductivity. cheers, Pete. |
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Doug Dotson wrote: Glenn, I'm starting to wonder if a good ice chest like the Coleman Extreme by itself might be sufficient. It can be replenished with ice made in your freezer. Doug s/v Callista Doug, You should know me better than that by now. :-) I love my gadgets and besides, when I have to abandon my shop for the cruising life I will need things to fix or I will die from withdrawals. :-) -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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Ah! He's finally 'fessed up. Complexity is the goal. ;-)
Glenn Ashmore wrote: Doug Dotson wrote: Glenn, I'm starting to wonder if a good ice chest like the Coleman Extreme by itself might be sufficient. It can be replenished with ice made in your freezer. Doug s/v Callista Doug, You should know me better than that by now. :-) I love my gadgets and besides, when I have to abandon my shop for the cruising life I will need things to fix or I will die from withdrawals. :-) -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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The true weakness of "software types." A simple answer is never good
enough! :-) "Jim Conlin" wrote in message ... Ah! He's finally 'fessed up. Complexity is the goal. ;-) Glenn Ashmore wrote: Doug Dotson wrote: Glenn, I'm starting to wonder if a good ice chest like the Coleman Extreme by itself might be sufficient. It can be replenished with ice made in your freezer. Doug s/v Callista Doug, You should know me better than that by now. :-) I love my gadgets and besides, when I have to abandon my shop for the cruising life I will need things to fix or I will die from withdrawals. :-) -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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I'm a software type, too. True, I get paid more for a complex solution, but for
my own use, simpler is better. Jim Fred Williams wrote: The true weakness of "software types." A simple answer is never good enough! :-) "Jim Conlin" wrote in message ... Ah! He's finally 'fessed up. Complexity is the goal. ;-) Glenn Ashmore wrote: Doug Dotson wrote: Glenn, I'm starting to wonder if a good ice chest like the Coleman Extreme by itself might be sufficient. It can be replenished with ice made in your freezer. Doug s/v Callista Doug, You should know me better than that by now. :-) I love my gadgets and besides, when I have to abandon my shop for the cruising life I will need things to fix or I will die from withdrawals. :-) -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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ASSHOLE!
"Fred Williams" wrote in message ... The true weakness of "software types." A simple answer is never good enough! :-) "Jim Conlin" wrote in message ... Ah! He's finally 'fessed up. Complexity is the goal. ;-) Glenn Ashmore wrote: Doug Dotson wrote: Glenn, I'm starting to wonder if a good ice chest like the Coleman Extreme by itself might be sufficient. It can be replenished with ice made in your freezer. Doug s/v Callista Doug, You should know me better than that by now. :-) I love my gadgets and besides, when I have to abandon my shop for the cruising life I will need things to fix or I will die from withdrawals. :-) -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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Well, that was certainly a simple answer.... On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:50:49 -0400, "Doug Dotson" wrote: ASSHOLE! "Fred Williams" wrote in message .. . The true weakness of "software types." A simple answer is never good enough! :-) "Jim Conlin" wrote in message ... Ah! He's finally 'fessed up. Complexity is the goal. ;-) Glenn Ashmore wrote: Doug Dotson wrote: Glenn, I'm starting to wonder if a good ice chest like the Coleman Extreme by itself might be sufficient. It can be replenished with ice made in your freezer. Doug s/v Callista Doug, You should know me better than that by now. :-) I love my gadgets and besides, when I have to abandon my shop for the cruising life I will need things to fix or I will die from withdrawals. :-) -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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rhys says:
Well, that was certainly a simple answer.... But was it good enough...? ;-P |
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I will have to admit to an old programming axiom:
"Within every complex program there is a simple one struggling to get out." :-) -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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