Having built 2 MiniCup 12' sailboats (and rebuilt them)
Built a 9' nesting 2-Paw dinghy
Built a 20' Tolman
and owning a canoe, kayak, and sailboard and a 28' S2 sailboat, you
might think 8 boats is enough. Of course I also built a slide-in
truck camper this past year too.

So, what to build next? A bigger sailboat? I really like my 28' S2
with her 3'10" draft and 13 hp diesel. However, I am intrigued by
water ballasted boats like Michalak's Cormorant due to their
trailerability.
Another possibility is the "Diesel Duck" motor sailor because she
offers serious long distance cruising but at age 53, I may be beyond
that time of my life and more into other things.

A bigger Tolman? Maybe just to have the cabin and better sea ability
but my 20' sure is easy to trailer and launch. My 20' takes me 90% of
the places I want to go and would take me to 95% if I was to take
risks (Key West to Dry Tortugas). I might just give her an interior
deck and big scuppers but her small deadrise would never allow her to
be a good sea boat.

I suspect that as I get older, long distance cruising under sail will
be less interesting to me and shorter trips for snorkelling etc will
make more sense meaning a power boat.

Maybe I should not build any more boats, I dunno. However, building
was fun

There are two sorts...boat builders and those who like to sit in boats.

If you think you like building, but are asking others to provide you with
suggestions, you may be best sitting in a boat.

If you are just idle and curious........look at building traditional
lapstrake construction.

regards...Ken

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
Having built 2 MiniCup 12' sailboats (and rebuilt them)
Built a 9' nesting 2-Paw dinghy
Built a 20' Tolman
and owning a canoe, kayak, and sailboard and a 28' S2 sailboat, you
might think 8 boats is enough. Of course I also built a slide-in
truck camper this past year too.

So, what to build next? A bigger sailboat? I really like my 28' S2
with her 3'10" draft and 13 hp diesel. However, I am intrigued by
water ballasted boats like Michalak's Cormorant due to their
trailerability.
Another possibility is the "Diesel Duck" motor sailor because she
offers serious long distance cruising but at age 53, I may be beyond
that time of my life and more into other things.

A bigger Tolman? Maybe just to have the cabin and better sea ability
but my 20' sure is easy to trailer and launch. My 20' takes me 90% of
the places I want to go and would take me to 95% if I was to take
risks (Key West to Dry Tortugas). I might just give her an interior
deck and big scuppers but her small deadrise would never allow her to
be a good sea boat.

I suspect that as I get older, long distance cruising under sail will
be less interesting to me and shorter trips for snorkelling etc will
make more sense meaning a power boat.

Maybe I should not build any more boats, I dunno. However, building
was fun

What to build next

Apparently a private dock.

In article ,
says...

What to build next

Apparently a private dock.

So, nice snippage?? A bit much maybe? Sooooo, who are we talking to,
about? Sorry I didn't see the original post..

Scotty

"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

What to build next

Apparently a private dock.

So, nice snippage?? A bit much maybe? Sooooo, who are we talking to,
about? Sorry I didn't see the original post..

Scotty



"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
Having built 2 MiniCup 12' sailboats (and rebuilt them)
Built a 9' nesting 2-Paw dinghy
Built a 20' Tolman
and owning a canoe, kayak, and sailboard and a 28' S2 sailboat, you
might think 8 boats is enough. Of course I also built a slide-in
truck camper this past year too.

So, what to build next? A bigger sailboat? I really like my 28' S2
with her 3'10" draft and 13 hp diesel. However, I am intrigued by
water ballasted boats like Michalak's Cormorant due to their
trailerability.
Another possibility is the "Diesel Duck" motor sailor because she
offers serious long distance cruising but at age 53, I may be beyond
that time of my life and more into other things.

A bigger Tolman? Maybe just to have the cabin and better sea ability
but my 20' sure is easy to trailer and launch. My 20' takes me 90% of
the places I want to go and would take me to 95% if I was to take
risks (Key West to Dry Tortugas). I might just give her an interior
deck and big scuppers but her small deadrise would never allow her to
be a good sea boat.

I suspect that as I get older, long distance cruising under sail will
be less interesting to me and shorter trips for snorkelling etc will
make more sense meaning a power boat.

Maybe I should not build any more boats, I dunno. However, building
was fun

Hence the reply.

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:07:13 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

Maybe I should not build any more boats, I dunno. However, building
was fun

And fun is the reason to build your own boat, probably the only valid
reason. If you just want to have a boat there are some excellent
values in used boats right now, and I believe it is
easier/cheaper/faster to refurb an older boat than to build a new one
from scratch. Comments?

------------

Currently in the Turks and Caicos as we cruise south to the Caribbean:

http://tinyurl.com/waynebspottrack

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:07:13 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

Maybe I should not build any more boats, I dunno. However, building
was fun

And fun is the reason to build your own boat, probably the only valid
reason. If you just want to have a boat there are some excellent
values in used boats right now, and I believe it is
easier/cheaper/faster to refurb an older boat than to build a new one
from scratch. Comments?

That really depends on how much you buy into the sellers hype of how awesome
it would be if it weren't junk.

Seriously, unless the seller is realistic (most people aren't) and desperate
they all value their boats like they were almost new and get offended when
you try to talk about real value with them. Some areas are worse than
others too.

I know one former boat shop owner who bought into that way of thinking as
well when people were selling boats. He pressure them to sell private party
because they would get more money (which is true) and then gave them values
based on excellent condition (as if a shop had just gone through it end to
end) to expect to get for their boat. This of course benefited him in
several ways over taking trades since he had limited competition in his
market.

In article ,
says...

"I am Tosk" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

What to build next

Apparently a private dock.

So, nice snippage?? A bit much maybe? Sooooo, who are we talking to,
about? Sorry I didn't see the original post..

Scotty



"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
Having built 2 MiniCup 12' sailboats (and rebuilt them)
Built a 9' nesting 2-Paw dinghy
Built a 20' Tolman
and owning a canoe, kayak, and sailboard and a 28' S2 sailboat, you
might think 8 boats is enough. Of course I also built a slide-in
truck camper this past year too.

So, what to build next? A bigger sailboat? I really like my 28' S2
with her 3'10" draft and 13 hp diesel. However, I am intrigued by
water ballasted boats like Michalak's Cormorant due to their
trailerability.
Another possibility is the "Diesel Duck" motor sailor because she
offers serious long distance cruising but at age 53, I may be beyond
that time of my life and more into other things.

A bigger Tolman? Maybe just to have the cabin and better sea ability
but my 20' sure is easy to trailer and launch. My 20' takes me 90% of
the places I want to go and would take me to 95% if I was to take
risks (Key West to Dry Tortugas). I might just give her an interior
deck and big scuppers but her small deadrise would never allow her to
be a good sea boat.

I suspect that as I get older, long distance cruising under sail will
be less interesting to me and shorter trips for snorkelling etc will
make more sense meaning a power boat.

Maybe I should not build any more boats, I dunno. However, building
was fun

Hence the reply.

Ahhh, thx..
Scotty

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 08:34:30 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote:

Seriously, unless the seller is realistic (most people aren't) and desperate
they all value their boats like they were almost new and get offended when
you try to talk about real value with them. Some areas are worse than
others too.

There are lots of used boats in salvage and foreclosure yards these
days. Prices there are a lot more realistic and negotiable than with
a private seller. Most of the private sellers are upside down on
their financing, sometimes by a lot. They have no room to negotiate
because they can't afford to sell for less than what they owe.

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:07:13 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

Having built 2 MiniCup 12' sailboats (and rebuilt them)
Built a 9' nesting 2-Paw dinghy
Built a 20' Tolman
and owning a canoe, kayak, and sailboard and a 28' S2 sailboat, you
might think 8 boats is enough. Of course I also built a slide-in
truck camper this past year too.

So, what to build next? A bigger sailboat? I really like my 28' S2
with her 3'10" draft and 13 hp diesel. However, I am intrigued by
water ballasted boats like Michalak's Cormorant due to their
trailerability.
Another possibility is the "Diesel Duck" motor sailor because she
offers serious long distance cruising but at age 53, I may be beyond
that time of my life and more into other things.

A bigger Tolman? Maybe just to have the cabin and better sea ability
but my 20' sure is easy to trailer and launch. My 20' takes me 90% of
the places I want to go and would take me to 95% if I was to take
risks (Key West to Dry Tortugas). I might just give her an interior
deck and big scuppers but her small deadrise would never allow her to
be a good sea boat.

I suspect that as I get older, long distance cruising under sail will
be less interesting to me and shorter trips for snorkelling etc will
make more sense meaning a power boat.

Maybe I should not build any more boats, I dunno. However, building
was fun

When you get senile, a cuddy will provide a good place to change those
depends. Like my two grand boat. Twenty two feet, riveted aluminum,
170hp 4 cyl sterndrive. If I can maintain the insanity, it and its
nearly flat bottom are going from Iowa to Halifax. If I come to my
senses, I might just trailer it there for local sightseeing and
perhaps a spot of fishing, if the authorities are halfway reasonable.

Casady